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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2372
    Pcgamer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Pcgamer


    People need to calm down. We've had 2200 deaths out of a population of 4,700,000 and most people were over 80 and with underlying conditions.

    Stop scare mongering other people and yourselves.

    Ireland is doing just fine and the vacinne is on the way.

    Calm down people. Once the hospitals can manage we are fine.


  • #2373
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    People need to calm down. We've had 2200 deaths out of a population of 4,700,000 and most people were over 80 and with underlying conditions.

    Stop scare mongering other people and yourselves.

    Ireland is doing just fine and the vacinne is on the way.

    Calm down people.

    No one is scaremongering.

    People are staying the facts as they are with virus spread

    Attempting to play it down is even less helpful


  • #2374
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I'm sorry now to come careening back into the thread when I said I was out, but Colm Henry said it doesn't make sense to focus on Track and Trace because it only serves to distract from what needs to happen. And gave this stupid look.

    What the hell is that about.

    Is he trying to say that it's our fault the track and trace isn't working because we're not behaving?

    People I know who only met one person over Christmas and need to get a test can't and are just being told to isolate, thus their contacts aren't being traced either and cases are being missed at an unprecedented level.

    17% positivity indicates that the level of infection in the community is absolutely out of control. This is awful.

    Tbh I think track and trace worldwide was a flawed strategy from the get go. Advocated early on from the WHO as a way to control the virus nearly every country that tried to adopt it failed.

    It only succeeded in countries that had very low relative infection rates to begin with and/or wealthy tech savvy nations that poured massive human resources into the system.

    Then you had privacy issues and public compliance issues as well.

    Those resources pumped into the track and trace probably would have been better spent in other covid preventive areas.


  • #2375
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    But if they only met one person ,they just let that person know?
    Obviously with increasing numbers the track and trace system is under pressure .
    There isn't a never ending supply of people to do this or other jobs that will inevitably be overwhelmed with increasing numbers .
    Every country is under pressure and having to cut its cloth depending on numbers and resources.

    Exactly. Unfortunately, my current contact list is about 8 people now after seeing family at Christmas, but the people I’ve seen would without a doubt tell me/the rest of us if they were experiencing symptoms or getting tested, etc.

    Who are people mixing with that wouldn’t tell them? Mustn’t be close family or friends, in which case, why bother seeing them? Maybe I’m too idealist and expect people to care.

    Edit: also, delighted, and a little jealous, to hear you’ve been needled ;)


  • #2376
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is it just me or do people think wtf when they see that amount of close contacts?

    Yep.

    Especially when they contact tracers only go back 48 hours.

    If it was a week or 10 days I'd have some understanding.


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  • #2377
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    is_that_so wrote: »
    We have people with close contacts of up to 30 and averaging 15-20. Contact tracing can't manage that long-term, people's behaviour will. Not sure what you imagine fit for purpose looks like. We can now do closer to 30,000 if we need.
    Yep - people expecting miracles from contact tracers. I think I remember reading somewhere that track & trace can reasonably only cope with around 50ish new cases a day.

    What can you say to the numbers, there's a lot of families who are very scared right now and it's all become very real to them.


  • #2378
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    But if they only met one person ,they just let that person know?
    Sorry I wasn't clearer, I meant that their household contacts are one person but the system isn't tracing people they're in contact with in shops, through work etc. so these people aren't notified... Except through the app if they have it, but my few experiences of people getting contacted this way have told them they don't need a test and to isolate.

    This results in further contacts like the above mentioned (shops, work exposure groups) not being detected and allowing further undetected spread.


  • #2379
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    People need to calm down. We've had 2200 deaths out of a population of 4,700,000 and most people were over 80 and with underlying conditions.

    Stop scare mongering other people and yourselves.

    Ireland is doing just fine and the vacinne is on the way.

    Calm down people.
    In your comforting post you neglected to mention why we are doing this and it's not the over 80s!


  • #2380
    Pcgamer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Pcgamer


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    No one is scaremongering.

    People are staying the facts as they are with virus spread

    Attempting to play it down is even less helpful

    This whole thread is scaremongering.

    Attempting to play it down? Not really.

    The government have restrictions in place to stop hospitals getting overcrowded. If they do more severe ones will be put in place.

    Its not rocket science, people can live their lives hos they want to. If that's house parties every night so be it.


  • #2381
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Hearing of a pretty big outbreak in CUH impacting multiple wards.

    Will see what impact this has on hospital numbers etc in the HSE ops report.


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  • #2382
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Also the more people in hospital with/ because / of covid the more risk of outbreaks and it getting to vulnerable patients. Also it's more difficult to effectively isolate them and infection control becomes more difficult. Asymptomatic people can spread it. From an infection control point of view there is no difference in the current state of the patient and that makes life difficult for health care workers and patients alike.

    Colm Henry saying openly "hospitals are under threat with that level of community transmission. We've seen it's impossible to keep put of hospitals and nursing homes when it's that high."

    Of course someone will come along to tell him to calm down or such like.


  • #2383
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    Supposition on twitter which is why I said apparently and may in my post :)

    Delighted you got your vaccine btw

    Haha , ok.
    Only people who are not that ill and just awaiting non urgent tests that won't be done until the bank holiday over , would be allowed home.
    Yes ,there is clear out of some of these patients over Christmas period , but their readmission would not account for the massive uptick shown on that graph.
    Where I am there is large increase in symptomatic Covid admissions .
    Back working NewYear's unfortunately so will know all about it then .


  • #2384
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    This whole thread is scaremongering.

    Attempting to play it down? Not really.

    The government have restrictions in place to stop hospitals getting overcrowded. If they do more severe ones will be put in place.

    This contradicts itself.

    Its not rocket science, people can live their lives hos they want to. If that's house parties every night so be it.
    And this is simply idiotic.

    ehhhh


  • #2385
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Fade Into You wrote: »
    What's the story with the masks?

    I don't see anything to suggest they're going to be effective, but I'd imagine they'll be a bit of a nightmare to wear around.

    Masks for where?


  • #2386
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    People need to calm down. We've had 2200 deaths out of a population of 4,700,000 and most people were over 80 and with underlying conditions.

    Stop scare mongering other people and yourselves.

    Ireland is doing just fine and the vacinne is on the way.

    Calm down people. Once the hospitals can manage we are fine.

    On current numbers and trajectory the hospitals won't manage for long, we're on the brink of something awful like was seen in Bergamo earlier in the year. I wish that was scare mongering.


  • #2387
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    This whole thread is scaremongering.

    Attempting to play it down? Not really.

    The government have restrictions in place to stop hospitals getting overcrowded. If they do more severe ones will be put in place.

    Its not rocket science, people can live their lives hos they want to. If that's house parties every night so be it.

    Which persona have we got today? You were both at a house party and calling for schools to close in the space of a few posts not so long ago


  • #2388
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Pcgamer wrote: »
    This whole thread is scaremongering.

    Attempting to play it down? Not really.

    The government have restrictions in place to stop hospitals getting overcrowded. If they do more severe ones will be put in place.

    Its not rocket science, people can live their lives hos they want to. If that's house parties every night so be it.

    Good man, there's some good ones on lately........

    caveat: can't attest to the veracity nor do I condone the name used in the tweet. #Notmytweet

    https://twitter.com/Th16367167/status/1342571823309979652?s=20https://twitter.com/Th16367167/status/1342571823309979652?s=20


  • #2389
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Good man, there's some good ones on lately........

    caveat: "can't attest to the veracity"

    https://twitter.com/Th16367167/status/1342571823309979652?s=20https://twitter.com/Th16367167/status/1342571823309979652?s=20

    Well arent they the lovely boys!


  • #2390
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is it just me or do people think wtf when they see that amount of close contacts?

    I've had 7 close contacts since March, seeing those figures as close contacts over a period of a few days is just numbing.


  • #2391
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    We these rates we need immediate stay at home order for 7 days

    5++++


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  • #2392
    Cody montana
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    Are we in lockdown or what?


  • #2393
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Shut down everything for 1-2 weeks 6pm to 6am curfew


  • #2394
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    I think the Christmas period has played a part In the rise, but this new variant of the virus discovered in the UK has coincided with this massive spike in cases we are seeing here and in the UK.

    If things keep going the way they are I think we are going to see a situation developing here far more worse than anything experienced last March.

    It may be time to consider an even tighter lock down than we had then.


  • #2395
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Downlinz wrote: »
    On current numbers and trajectory the hospitals won't manage for long, we're on the brink of something awful like was seen in Bergamo earlier in the year. I wish that was scare mongering.

    Some people still don’t realise that the hospitals will go from fine to completely overwhelmed very quickly.


  • #2396
    Goldengirl
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    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    Technically so, with our alleged positive cases being around 1500 per day, the testing system should be able to handle an average of 15 contacts per person. They're plainly not doing that many though and looking for any way out of testing and tracing people.

    Really?
    Probably getting caught up with the eejits with 30 contacts so!


  • #2397
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The hospital capacity is the one to watch here.

    The huge numbers today would have to translate into hospital admissions/ICU. From what I can see most positive cases can ride it out themselves.

    It's bloody awful though, and the easy to store/administer vaccine (Astra) has yet to be approved by EMA. Perfect storm.


  • #2398
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They said they get 15% in the earlier tests but only about 3% on Day 7.

    Yeah but I think its still down from 2 tests to 1? Guess contact tracing and stabbing wouldn't be able to keep up with 2 tests


  • #2399
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Up to 25,000 over the next few days. Close contacts average at 15 but many at 30+, clearly the problem.

    15 contacts is far too many, 30 + is just plain ridiculous.
    No tracing system could out up with that.

    Imagine 2,000 positive tests each multiplied by 30. Thats another 60,000 calls to make.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    Capacity is now 25K on-island and an offshore contract for 2K more. New lab opening here soon. NPHET recommended that they should now test once on Day 5 for close contacts.
    Wheres this new lab supposed to be do you know?

    At least we have a contract in place with the German lab to relieve some pressure. It's the contact tracing that will collapse the system.
    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I'm sorry now to come careening back into the thread when I said I was out, but Colm Henry said it doesn't make sense to focus on Track and Trace because it only serves to distract from what needs to happen. And gave this stupid look.

    Is he trying to say that it's our fault the track and trace isn't working because we're not behaving?

    Tracking and tracing just finds cases that are already infected and tries to break links further of transmission.

    Testing doesn't stop the spread of the virus. Public health measures and limiting contacts stops the spread.

    The situation is out of control because of peoples behavior.


  • #2400
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Literally the whole point of all the restrictions is to prevent what you wrote as a last sentence.

    Telling people to "calm down" and saying we're doing "just fine" is more damaging than scaremongering. We've seen that in the last couple of weeks that relaxed attitudes, increases in close contact etc causes our cases to sky rocket - all of that is a strain on the hospitals. Yes, the hospital number and ICU numbers are staying relatively stable, but won't be the case if cases continue to increase.

    Wouldn't bother feeding it.


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  • #2401
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    jackboy wrote: »
    Some people still don’t realise that the hospitals will go from fine to completely overwhelmed very quickly.

    Yea I fear this is the big one. We've got away with it up to now but a potential disaster in the making in the next few weeks.


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