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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2042
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    marno21 wrote: »
    While we have a comparatively low number of intensive care beds per capita, increasing them to allow more Covid cases is not a runner. Being in intensive care or on a ventilator isn't a treatment for Covid. People in there would have life changing damage done to their bodies, priority above all else should be preventing them getting infected.

    I was quite in favour of relaxing restrictions in the past but the new paradigm we live in has shifted my perspective somewhat. We now have people vaccinated in this country against the disease and we should have all the vulnerable protected soon. In light of that, it would be hardly worth it relaxing restrictions in the next few weeks/months when the vaccine is being rolled out. We can live with a lockdown if there's a light at the end of the tunnel

    I would hate for anyone vulnerable to get infected and die weeks before they were scheduled to get a vaccine. Nor would I like to be the family member held responsible for infecting a vulnerable person who goes on to succumb to the disease just before they get vaccinated. No one wants to be shot on the last day of the war.

    All of us have , at one time or another, unintentionally passed on a virus. Perhaps some people in that chain of transmission died as a result. Never before have we been "held responsible " for it. Absolutely nuts.


  • #2043
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭jams100


    So it appears the plan is to go to the level 5 lockdown that we had before Christmas.

    So can some genius please enlighten me: what is the difference between playing a game of golf/tennis or going for a walk in the park with friends?

    I get the importance and the priority of education for kids but to suggest that opening schools is somehow safe yet going more than 5km for a walk isn't is just ridiculous.

    Bear in mind if someone is going to do something stupid like have people over to their house they are going to do this anyway, all these restrictions do is demoralised people who are already using common sense and complying with the current restrictions which I largely agree with and make sense.

    I like most have complied with all the restrictions to date and will probably do so again mainly because there is an end in sight with this vaccine, I just wish some common sense was realised on the above issues.

    And please HSE dont f**k up vaccine!


  • #2044
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,215 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    IMO

    Its on the govt now. We are in lockdown ...those of us who will do the rights things will.

    The govt have to play their part now and secure supply chains for this vaccine and get it rolled out FAST.

    Because no amount of lockdown will stop the new mutation it seems.

    Its up to them now.

    Lockdown is doing all it can ..it won't really do more


  • #2045
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,164 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    If they close non-essential retail those working in supermarkets need to be issued with full hazmat suits and oxygen tanks as they are in an environment many multipiple times riskier than a lad going in to Harvey Norman looking to buy a 40inch Sony tv and not seeking to ride the tv before he buys it.


  • #2046
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    We were all visiting supermarkets in March April May (without masks in fact) and I dont remember staff dropping like flies. Quite the opposite, infections were virtually non existent.

    I dont even blame the people for going into mental overdrive. Government and RTE are at fault for this hysteria.


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  • #2047
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    How long do we expect this full L5 to be for?


  • #2048
    Denny61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭Denny61


    Full lockdown will be for 1month at the very least if not 6 weeks and then assessed ..by that time the vaccinations be in full swing .id rather be


  • #2049
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    awec wrote: »
    It is a fact. Zero covid is an absolutely nonsense suggestion for Ireland. We are not geographically or economically isolated enough.

    It isn't possible with daily flights coming in. What is the point of us all being in level 5 and flights coming in?


  • #2050
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Anyone know where our R number is?

    As of Dec 28, 2020, IRELAND remains in a Spreading state. The infection is quickly increasing (R = 1.88). At this growth rate, new infections and deaths will double every 11 days. This outbreak is beyond containment, with 8,524 active cases, and requires mitigation. This is the 7th surge in infections, which started on the week of Dec 15, 2020. With 6,557 new cases and 46 new deaths, this is the worst week yet for cases and deaths during this surge. The Contagion Risk is extremely high at 58.4%. This is the likelihood of meeting an infected person during one hundred random encounters. It appears that the level of social distancing has increased slightly, resulting in lower levels of infection growth. IRELAND is currently on the HotSpot list due to rapid increase in cases. The Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is estimated as 2.7%. This is consistent with the average CFR of 2.3%. Preliminary estimates suggest that 8% of the population may have been infected and are presumed immune. This is not enough to significantly slow the spread of the virus. This preliminary estimation also implies an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of roughly 0.5%. The Short-Term Indicator(STI) suggests that the infection is likely to slow somewhat over the next few days.


  • #2051
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    We'd want to get going on this. Pfizer was approved here in the end long after they start getting it out to people and stop this messing around with which arm of the economy to chop off.
    More than 600,000 people in the UK have been vaccinated since Margaret Keenan became the first in the world to get that jab outside of a clinical trial.
    But the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine will lead to a significant increase in vaccination as it is cheap and easy to mass produce.

    Crucially it can be stored in a standard fridge - unlike the Pfizer-BioNTech jab which needs ultra cold storage at -70C - so it will be far easier to get the Oxford vaccine to care homes and GP surgeries.

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1344178856362708993?s=20


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  • #2052
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    We'd want to get going on this. Pfizer was approved in the end long after they start getting it out to people.

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1344178856362708993?s=20

    Very strange the UK approved this and the EU says it’s improbable it will be approved before end of January....I don’t know the ‘ins and outs’ of this but just a bit strange really....I suppose it just shows how divisive this whole virus - nobody can seem to agree on anything!


  • #2053
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭fits


    jams100 wrote: »

    I get the importance and the priority of education for kids but to suggest that opening schools is somehow safe yet going more than 5km for a walk isn't is just ridiculous.

    !


    I can’t believe that people are still making this argument. Nobody is suggesting schools are risk free.

    The restrictions are about reducing overall people’s opportunities to transmit the virus while maintaining essential services to community. The km restriction has to be across the board. Please see yesterday’s example of lady driving to collect handbag while awaiting test result.

    This constant railing against restrictions from folks is ridiculous and tiresome. Just get on with it.


  • #2054
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Very strange the UK approved this and the EU says it’s improbable it will be approved before end of January....I don’t know the ‘ins and outs’ of this but just a bit strange really....I suppose it just shows how divisive this whole virus - nobody can seem to agree on anything!

    Yeah they do tend to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. They've already vaccinated 600,000 people with Pfizer one. People said same about that when they approved ahead of us. We've vaccinated an inspirational lady from the liberties as far as I know. In fairness I don't know what causes UK to approve and EU to not.


  • #2055
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭harr


    Has the criteria for what the HSE deem a close contact changed or has contact tracing collapsed?
    Two instances two class mates of my son both tested positive over the last couple of days and none of the class room pupils or teacher deemed a close contact.
    Principal of the school is the only person making Contact with parents and staff.

    Second instance is my cousin who is a front line worker who got it over the Christmas again little or no contact tracing with people she was in contact with , her two children also caught it and it was again the parent who contacted the school and principal made contact with other parents.

    Little or no HSE interaction at all


  • #2056
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    It isn't possible with daily flights coming in. What is the point of us all being in level 5 and flights coming in?

    It’s something you just have accept, close everything down, let your kids go uneducated, put people on PUP....just so a few idiots can swan off on a holiday in the middle of a pandemic.

    It kind of makes no sense but that’s hand you have been dealt.


  • #2057
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah they do tend to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. They've already vaccinated 600,000 people with Pfizer one. People said same about that when they approved ahead of us. We've vaccinated an inspirational lady from the liberties as far as I know.

    I’d imagine there is a little bit more to it it than just disagreeing for the sake of it :) I see Moderna one has been approved in US but not UK or EU....Scientists, doctors, politicians, etc can’t seem to agree on much unfortunately! Pretty much a reflection of society...


  • #2058
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah they do tend to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. They've already vaccinated 600,000 people with Pfizer one. People said same about that when they approved ahead of us. We've vaccinated an inspirational lady from the liberties as far as I know. In fairness I don't know what causes UK to approve and EU to not.

    I think I'd trust whatever system the EU is running ahead of whatever Boris's government is presiding over.


  • #2059
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    fits wrote: »
    This constant railing against restrictions from folks is ridiculous and tiresome. Just get on with it.

    Couldnt have said it better myself, people seem to just have a brain fart with restrictions hence why these rolling lockdowns, its because of not giving a **** and doing what they want when they want is why were in this mess in the first place.

    But no rebel rebel wah wah

    Shin


  • #2060
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah they do tend to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. They've already vaccinated 600,000 people with Pfizer one. People said same about that when they approved ahead of us. We've vaccinated an inspirational lady from the liberties as far as I know. In fairness I don't know what causes UK to approve and EU to not.
    It's being distributed in four hospitals this week. NIAC had insisted that the initial rollout be tested in an environment where people had access to immediate treatment.


  • #2061
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    tigger123 wrote: »
    I think I'd trust whatever system the EU is running ahead of whatever Boris's government is presiding over.

    Like Pfizer? They did it on the 2nd of December. We did it on the 21st of December. They've vaccinated 600,000 people already with that one. How many have we done? The fact is they were quicker.
    With striking speed, the United Kingdom has become the first country to approve a COVID-19 vaccine that has been tested in a large clinical trial. On 2 December, UK regulators granted emergency-use authorization to a vaccine from drug firms Pfizer and BioNTech, just seven months after the start of clinical trials.


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  • #2062
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    shinzon wrote: »
    Couldnt have said it better myself, people seem to just have a brain fart with restrictions hence why these rolling lockdowns, its because of not giving a **** and doing what they want when they want is why were in this mess in the first place.

    But no rebel rebel wah wah

    Shin

    Years ago I lost my job in the recession. I almost lost my home and the stress and anxiety resulted in months of sleepless nights and depression.

    Maybe I am more inclined to understand the wah wah of those facing a similar fate this time round.


  • #2063
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Like Pfizer? They did it on the 2nd of December. We did it on the 21st of December. They've vaccinated 600,000 people already with that one. How many have we done?
    They had 53K cases reported yesterday. They are desperate and would approve Calpol at this stage if it was shown to work.


  • #2064
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    harr wrote: »
    Has the criteria for what the HSE deem a close contact changed or has contact tracing collapsed?
    Two instances two class mates of my son both tested positive over the last couple of days and none of the class room pupils or teacher deemed a close contact.
    Principal of the school is the only person making Contact with parents and staff.

    Second instance is my cousin who is a front line worker who got it over the Christmas again little or no contact tracing with people she was in contact with , her two children also caught it and it was again the parent who contacted the school and principal made contact with other parents.

    Little or no HSE interaction at all

    But are the schools not closed for holidays.
    Why would they be deemed close contacts.
    Unless in the last few days you mean over a week ago


  • #2065
    Kraftwerk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭Kraftwerk


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Very strange the UK approved this and the EU says it’s improbable it will be approved before end of January....I don’t know the ‘ins and outs’ of this but just a bit strange really....I suppose it just shows how divisive this whole virus - nobody can seem to agree on anything!

    Seems like the UK is gambling given the low cost and rapid rise of cases and approving it before it should realistically be approved. EU say they can't approve it given the clinical trials are insufficient and they need additional trial data. UK seem happy just to rapidly roll out the single dose to avoid as much serious illness as possible.


  • #2066
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    Years ago I lost my job in the recession. I almost lost my home and the stress and anxiety resulted in months of sleepless nights and depression.

    Maybe I am more inclined to understand the wah wah of those facing a similar fate this time round.
    There is a level of intolerance building on both sides of the fence and it is caused by these very same factors. We need to be able to reset after this, some may find that very hard.


  • #2067
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    Years ago I lost my job in the recession. I almost lost my home and the stress and anxiety resulted in months of sleepless nights and depression.

    Maybe I am more inclined to understand the wah wah of those facing a similar fate this time round.

    Losing a job is Slightly different to ‘schools are open but I can’t travel 6 kmfor a walk’ to be fair.


  • #2068
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They had 53K cases reported yesterday. They are desperate and would approve Calpol at this stage if it was shown to work.

    Sorry this is a nonsense speculation. Yes they are up **** creek. Do you think this would have led to impetus to get it done.

    The whole "UK would improve calpol" is actually dangerous. You are adding to antivax arguments which is the last thing we need.

    You never answered. Did the UK approve Pfizer vaccine "too quickly"?


  • #2069
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Sorry this is a nonsense speculation. Yes they are up **** creek. Do you think this would have led to impetus to get it done.

    The whole "UK would improve calpol" is actually dangerous. You are adding to antivax arguments which is the last thing we need.

    You never answered. Did the UK approve Pfizer vaccine "too quickly"?
    I wasn't aware I was compelled to answer anything. The UK had the option to wait for the EMA, they decided not to. The Calpol thing is a joke and you either need more coffee or a better nose to sense humour, good or bad.


  • #2070
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,019 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    Years ago I lost my job in the recession. I almost lost my home and the stress and anxiety resulted in months of sleepless nights and depression.

    Maybe I am more inclined to understand the wah wah of those facing a similar fate this time round.
    The behaviour of the "wah wah" crowd is whats causing this fate for everyone.


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  • #2071
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The behaviour of the "wah wah" crowd is whats causing this fate for everyone.
    They too are dealing with this, badly by the looks of some comments. We need to stop looking for people to blame. All that can be done is to keep drilling home the public health messages.


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