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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #1982
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Anyway **** the HSE, **** NPHET, **** the government. Little to no icu capacity added, **** all staff added, just constant deflection and all of us fighting amongst ourselves blaming each other if hospitals become overwhelmed when they did absolutely **** all to help the situation from their side.

    literally no one would disagree with you that the HSE are a bloated inefficient mess and we have a vastly undersized health service. i also think the virus is dangerous and to be respected and we have a responsibility to follow guidelines and protect vulnerable people and our creaking health system. the two aren't mutually exclusive, i don't know why you constantly try and link the two together.

    by the way, new york, chinese and italian hospitals were overrun back in march. this virus can overload even the best health systems.


  • #1983
    antgal23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Look NI was always a kind of lawless place that hasn't had any governance from a Government/Assembly for years, and still doesn't really when you think about it. It is more a place to never surrender, from either side, so no matter who says what one side will rebel.

    Anyway just saying. I don't give a stuff about them up there. I doubt many down here do either. Apart from the Shinners.

    Great to see you speaking for everyone "down here"

    Thanks a million for being so caring and being an absolute t*at


  • #1984
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Is the spike caused by this?


  • #1985
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Turtwig wrote: »
    All you can possibly know is population level risk. Not the risk to an individual.

    Further, you freely accuse others of not being considerate of businesses and employees who lose their jobs, but at the same time you brazenly dismiss the concerns of a poster due to COVID.

    Maybe such things are not so black and white.

    Things are never just black and white.

    But in this covid mania we have lost all perspective. This thing can be deadly. To a very few people. There are a ton of diseases that you are statistically more likely to die from, You are hundreds or even thousands of times more likely to get cancer at some stage in your life.

    This is a public health crisis not a personal health crisis.

    Which is why we are being bombarded with 24/7 scaremongering. The side effect of that is that some people get really wrong ideas with regards to their personal risk.


  • #1986
    Denny61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Denny61


    Simon Harris in past hour just said ireland in a dark place. Full lockdown immenient.clousure of all non essential shops


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  • #1987
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    chicorytip wrote: »
    I want to know exactly what I am being injected with if I accept this vaccine. The HSE's information leaflet contains no specific list of ingredients only making general points about possible side effects and with no reference to the possibility of developing severe allergic reaction to some particular element of the dose which, statistically speaking, could lead to many deaths.

    Have you never had a vaccine before ?
    Most vaccines have the same base / or are diluted with saline which is dilute salty water , so if you had previous reactions a vaccine medium before you would know and be able to forewarn those administering the vaccine .
    Reactions are not usually fatal but you could get a sore arm or a headache for a few days . These reactions would be mild and the most common.
    Severer reactions are very very rare but still people do not die as those administering vaccines are trained in procedures to deal with adverse events that 'may occur ' .


  • #1988
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Good call, I was but this was during the easing of the restrictions and I abided again on return. With much complaining.
    Fair. Better to abide and complain than neither abide nor complain :)


  • #1989
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Hardly, if people have different opinions than you it should not disgust you, some people may think that living a better quality shorter life is better, I don't necessarily agree but people are entitled to their opinions without being looked down at by you.

    The issue here though is that many of us want to do what is best for the greater good. The posters mostly attacked in this thread generally talk about the situation from a place of how it is affecting them. If you want to live a shorter life that is fine but ignoring advice and restrictions and saying **** it I am going to do what I want is something which effects everyone.


  • #1990
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    irishproduce wrote: »
    It really is an awful situation that the government have to plan into the strategy to keep the teachers and the unions at bay. To factor in exactly as you say, that they can't give them an inch.
    They are themselves to blame that they can't be trusted on past performance and so the government have to take a zero tolerance approach with them.

    This is complete nonsense.
    All social partners have been totally compliant and supportive here in Ireland through this, remarkably so.
    Maybe you live elsewhere?


  • #1991
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    chicorytip wrote: »
    I want to know exactly what I am being injected with if I accept this vaccine. The HSE's information leaflet contains no specific list of ingredients only making general points about possible side effects and with no reference to the possibility of developing severe allergic reaction to some particular element of the dose which, statistically speaking, could lead to many deaths.

    Do you know exactly what's in absolutely everything you consume? Burger from the chipper? Balti from the local Indian? How about the water from your kitchen tap?


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  • #1992
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    What's the difference between "full lockdown" that some are expecting and the current plan for New Year's Day onwards? As far as I can see, non-essential retail is about the only difference, and if they're meeting tomorrow, they might bring the planned restrictions forward by a few hours.

    Or are we talking about throwing the whole five levels plan out the window and shutting down, for example, construction sites?


  • #1993
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Turtwig wrote: »
    What would be acceptable ICU capacity we should aim for? Number please.

    Where would you have diverted the resources from?

    Keep in mind if current growth in infections continues the capacity will be required to be increased continuously increased as well.

    Hang on are you saying that in the middle of a global pandemic that we are ten months into, you don't think we should have tried to increase icu and staff capacity which would save lives if hospitals got overwhelmed and people are thanking your posts. Do you work in the HSE.


  • #1994
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Denny61 wrote: »
    Simon Harris in past hour just said ireland in a dark place. Full lockdown immenient.clousure of all non essential shops

    Closing retail alone won't solve this, if he thinks it will he's deluded.


  • #1995
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,073 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1344067098327326722
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1996
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    kenmc wrote: »
    Do you know exactly what's in absolutely everything you consume? Burger from the chipper? Balti from the local Indian? How about the water from your kitchen tap?

    Jaysus lol


  • #1997
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Things are never just black and white.

    But in this covid mania we have lost all perspective. This thing can be deadly. To a very few people. There are a ton of diseases that you are statistically more likely to die from, You are hundreds or even thousands of times more likely to get cancer at some stage in your life.

    This is a public health crisis not a personal health crisis.

    Which is why we are being bombarded with 24/7 scaremongering. The side effect of that is that some people get really wrong ideas with regards to their personal risk.

    Whatever is going on with the virus the risk has escalated in the last week for every age group.
    Forget the sxxx about scaremongering.
    Fact ..hospitalisations have gone and doubled in the last week here in Ireland .
    UK.. NHS doctors reporting that all North London and South Wales hospitals overwhelmed, with no more space or beds to treat any patients never mind Covid , and patients now admitted sick in their 40s , 50s , and 60s , not just older people .


  • #1998
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Stheno wrote: »
    London is starting to resemble Bergamo in April

    God help the medics and patients

    I really hope they can get things under control. It is really distressing to read the current reports coming out.


  • #1999
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/29/nhs-could-face-horrendous-choices-over-who-gets-coronavirus-care

    Decisions about which patients receive life-saving treatment could be imminent, doctors warn ( UK )


  • #2000
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    What's the difference between "full lockdown" that some are expecting and the current plan for New Year's Day onwards? As far as I can see, non-essential retail is about the only difference, and if they're meeting tomorrow, they might bring the planned restrictions forward by a few hours.

    Or are we talking about throwing the whole five levels plan out the window and shutting down, for example, construction sites?

    The Irish Times has mentioned 5km restrictions, only one person from another household visiting you.


  • #2001
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    What's the difference between "full lockdown" that some are expecting and the current plan for New Year's Day onwards? As far as I can see, non-essential retail is about the only difference, and if they're meeting tomorrow, they might bring the planned restrictions forward by a few hours.

    Or are we talking about throwing the whole five levels plan out the window and shutting down, for example, construction sites?

    Non essential retail, gyms and places of worship .
    Also travelling outside of 5 k limit .
    I don't know if schools or construction are being discussed , but would there be much construction going on this weather outside ?


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  • #2002
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,160 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    froog wrote: »
    literally no one would disagree with you that the HSE are a bloated inefficient mess and we have a vastly undersized health service. i also think the virus is dangerous and to be respected and we have a responsibility to follow guidelines and protect vulnerable people and our creaking health system. the two aren't mutually exclusive, i don't know why you constantly try and link the two together.

    by the way, new york, chinese and italian hospitals were overrun back in march. this virus can overload even the best health systems.

    It's genuinely sad to see the level of whataboutery and abdications of personal responsibility you see on here.

    Obviously, as you say, no-one would disagree with the bloated inefficiency of the HSE and would argue against having a better, more equipped health service.

    But, in the heel of the hunt, that doesn't really change much about the current situation. Countries with far better health systems than our own are facing the exact same issue and are dealing with it the exact same way. It's so clearly false to say that the current situation is entirely down to the peculiarities of our health system - demonstrably false. Look all around Europe now. None of these countries have the HSE running the show, but are still struggling with case numbers, rising admittances and punitive population level containment measures to try to get through this.

    The basic fact is that normal life is just not compatible with attempts to contain the virus. The anger at this is so stupid. Anger at health officials reminding people of what to do and what not to do is so stupid. Everyone should try to knuckle down now and not be a fcking idiot. There is a semblance of a finish line in sight here.


  • #2003
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    chicorytip wrote: »
    I want to know exactly what I am being injected with if I accept this vaccine. The HSE's information leaflet contains no specific list of ingredients only making general points about possible side effects and with no reference to the possibility of developing severe allergic reaction to some particular element of the dose which, statistically speaking, could lead to many deaths.
    The HSE page gives a link to the EMA page with this https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/comirnaty-epar-product-information_en.pdf, which contains the ingredients. Perhaps that will add to the wealth of antivax research you have obviously done.


  • #2004
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    growleaves wrote: »
    The Irish Times has mentioned 5km restrictions, only one person from another household visiting you.

    If they say anyone can visit anyone, people will just visit whoever they want.
    I'm not one of these lockdown merchants people go on about, I've broken the rules like most of us, but all this only visiting one person or two households and all this crap translates to most of us that we can visit whoever we want whenever we want.
    They really shouldn't be saying these things.


  • #2005
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    chicorytip wrote: »
    I want to know exactly what I am being injected with if I accept this vaccine. The HSE's information leaflet contains no specific list of ingredients only making general points about possible side effects and with no reference to the possibility of developing severe allergic reaction to some particular element of the dose which, statistically speaking, could lead to many deaths.
    I don’t know the rates of severe allergic reactions for Covid vaccines but statistically speaking here are some comparator numbers.

    In the first ten months of 2020, almost 3 million prescriptions had been written for antibiotics in outpatient/GP settings. In the same period in 2019, it was considerably higher at 3.6 million. Many, many more antibiotics are prescribed in hospitals for inpatients which are not in those figures.

    About 50% of those prescriptions are for penicillins. About 1 in 5000 people will have a severe allergic reaction to penicillin, i.e. anaphylaxis.

    Rate of anaphylaxis for all vaccines according to CDC figures is 1.13 per million.


  • #2006
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    This is bad, and the NHS is great compared to our service. Imagine a loved one stuck in an ambulance.
    Hopefully things don't get as bad here.

    https://twitter.com/drpunith/status/1344011914683232256


  • #2007
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Right. Last I checked the HSE wasn't spelled "NHS". And there are thirty something in ICU here, out of a population of nearly five million. Get some perspective.

    Its the same virus. This is what can happen if left unchecked. Jesus christ like.


  • #2008
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Right. Last I checked the HSE wasn't spelled "NHS". And there are thirty something in ICU here, out of a population of nearly five million. Get some perspective.

    Only 30 because people have died in ICU.
    Higher numbers in hospital will more than likely translate to higher numbers in ICU .


  • #2009
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    niallo27 wrote: »
    That's why I asked what they are scared of, the narrative that this is a death sentence has to change. People are terrified.

    No, it doesn't. You're fixated on death and not the reality of long term illness that it may bring. Why risk it?


  • #2010
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Only 30 because people have died in ICU.
    Higher numbers in hospital will more than likely translate to higher numbers in ICU .

    Not a good argument, the people closest to death end up in icu


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  • #2011
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's genuinely sad to see the level of whataboutery and abdications of personal responsibility you see on here.

    Obviously, as you say, no-one would disagree with the bloated inefficiency of the HSE and would argue against having a better, more equipped health service.

    But, in the heel of the hunt, that doesn't really change much about the current situation. Countries with far better health systems than our own are facing the exact same issue and are dealing with it the exact same way. It's so clearly false to say that the current situation is entirely down to the peculiarities of our health system - demonstrably false. Look all around Europe now. None of these countries have the HSE running the show, but are still struggling with case numbers, rising admittances and punitive population level containment measures to try to get through this.

    The basic fact is that normal life is just not compatible with attempts to contain the virus. The anger at this is so stupid. Anger at health officials reminding people of what to do and what not to do is so stupid. Everyone should try to knuckle down now and not be a fcking idiot. There is a semblance of a finish line in sight here.

    How can it not change much, 10 months to add more icu capacity could save lives. Honestly your refusal to critique anything nphet or the hse has done in the last 10 months and constantly blame the public makes no sense to me. Saying extra icu capacity would make no difference is one of the dumbest things I have heard on here and that's saying a lot.


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