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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #1352
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    eigrod wrote: »
    No point in hoping for anything positive in the numbers for the next 7 days or so. After that we can hope to see a levelling off and then a drop. January is going to be level 5 all the way through.

    Agreed. It's to be expected that the next 10 days will have high numbers.


  • #1353
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,979 ✭✭✭growleaves


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    This^^^
    I couldn’t get over how laissez faire thery were north of the border as numbers climbed daily,the government just sat there and did SFA ...even in comparison to their lords and masters across the water,(who were ridiculously slow at reacting to spiralling numbers)they looked completely non-plussed by a rapidly-worsening situation....Wales and Scotland leaders at least appeared to react in some way to the changing situation....
    “An all-island approach” is what we keep hearing from our lot....fat chance given the carry-on north of the border to date

    That's because they have the same attitude towards the media and officialdom as an Eastern European populace towards Soviet media. This is after 40 years of seeing a mismatch between media reports of the Troubles and what people had seen with their own eyes. They disbelieve everything they are told.

    Whereas the Republic inclines the other way. We are probably more impressed by world institutions than any other country and have a very high trust in public officials, the government, media and official science.

    The two Irelands are polar opposites in that respect. Except that Donegal leans towards the NI attitude somewhat.


  • #1354
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Many didn't though.

    I don't want to be annoying anyone but it has to be said, where are those posters who wanted everything opened up, that we didn't need the restrictions? That we just go about Christmas in the normal way?

    Warnings ignored, people not taking it seriously, telling us all to ignore advice.

    And now we have the results of that.

    We could have kept our restrictions tight and foregone Christmas for one year. Wasn't much to ask.

    No posters wanted no restrictions, don't be talking through your hole.


  • #1355
    mike8634
    Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭mike8634


    Stheno wrote: »
    40 I think

    Still miniscule for the population

    Are we even near capacity?

    Last December it was much worse


  • #1356
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Many didn't though.

    I don't want to be annoying anyone but it has to be said, where are those posters who wanted everything opened up, that we didn't need the restrictions? That we just go about Christmas in the normal way?

    Warnings ignored, people not taking it seriously, telling us all to ignore advice.

    And now we have the results of that.

    We could have kept our restrictions tight and foregone Christmas for one year. Wasn't much to ask.
    It was really the previous four weeks that brought on a lot of it anyway. As I've said before we knew this and we accepted the inevitable consequences. Today is a good day anyway, the beginning of the end.


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  • #1357
    awec
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    seamus wrote: »
    it wouldn't have worked. People would have hosted each other in their homes instead.

    This was inevitable, the only question is about to what extent the lifting of restrictions exacerbated (or flattened) the growth in cases.

    Exactly.

    There is a spike. There was going to be a spike no matter what. The true size of the spike has yet to be seen.

    We should know we’ll in the next few days. 7 days out from Christmas Day will give us a good picture of what it could look like.


  • #1358
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stheno wrote: »
    40 I think
    34 at present, according to the dashboard.


  • #1359
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Many didn't though.

    I don't want to be annoying anyone but it has to be said, where are those posters who wanted everything opened up, that we didn't need the restrictions? That we just go about Christmas in the normal way?

    Warnings ignored, people not taking it seriously, telling us all to ignore advice.

    And now we have the results of that.

    We could have kept our restrictions tight and foregone Christmas for one year. Wasn't much to ask.
    I haven’t seen one poster on this thread that wanted everything opened. It appears to me you are creating a straw man to argue.


  • #1360
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I wouldn't see why they don't delay schools a week and a half and just cancel February mid term instead. Instead of having them go back on the 6th, it'd be 18th and by then we might have things back under control


  • #1361
    Stheno
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    mike8634 wrote: »
    Still miniscule for the population

    Are we even near capacity?

    Last December it was much worse

    I think there are around 900 normal beds available, not sure about ICU beds

    Thats due to . elective procedures not happening around Christmas and the fact we've not had a flu outbreak


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  • #1362
    foxyladyxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭foxyladyxx


    mike8634 wrote: »
    Still miniscule for the population

    Are we even near capacity?

    Last December it was much worse

    34 in ICU at present


  • #1363
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    hmmm wrote: »
    Shutting down "non essential retail" strikes me as really unfair. It puts lots of people out of work, and I have seen very little evidence both here & abroad it's where cases are occurring.

    On the other hand, if it is households mixing that's causing the problem then I'd personally be happy to see the 5k limit brought back. None of this happens with enforcement however, and that's been missing throughout this. €100 on-the spot fines would help.

    We're clearly going to see a huge surge. This surge is baked in, there's nothing we can do about this now. The problem is we're surrounded by infected people who are currently in the asymptomatic stage.

    If I was the government I'd probably say 2 weeks of the most extreme lockdown - 2km limit, no schools, Guards everywhere. At least by the end of the 2 weeks most of those who got infected at Christmas will be symptomatic and visible.

    We've less than 15k Garda in Ireland. Where will the Guards everywhere come from??


  • #1364
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    I wouldn't see why they don't delay schools a week and a half and just cancel February mid term instead. Instead of having them go back on the 6th, it'd be 18th and by then we might have things back under control
    Schools will go back as planned. HSE data says they are not drivers and it is government policy to have them open.


  • #1365
    ongarite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,504 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    But it might be enough to make things a good degree more manageable while at the same time being tolerable to most of the population? I'm talking strict like March.

    We had this in March.
    Only for 2 weeks, then another 2 weeks, then sorry need another 2 weeks...
    Before it ended it was June.

    No-one is buying into that again.


  • #1366
    awec
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    titan18 wrote: »
    I wouldn't see why they don't delay schools a week and a half and just cancel February mid term instead. Instead of having them go back on the 6th, it'd be 18th and by then we might have things back under control

    Because people can’t go back to work if kids can’t go back to school.


  • #1367
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    seamus wrote: »
    it wouldn't have worked. People would have hosted each other in their homes instead.

    This was inevitable, the only question is about to what extent the lifting of restrictions exacerbated (or flattened) the growth in cases.

    Choices were made. Restrictions were relaxed despite what was going on across Europe.

    The government has to take responsibility for that along with those who have been feckless with themselves and everyone else.

    You can say it's spilt milk now and it is but many took abuse from these people for urging restraint and keeping a broad range of measures to ensure we did not face what we face now in January.

    Maybe it would have taken off regardless but no one can seriously argue we gave ourselves the best chance of avoiding this situation we find ourselves in.


  • #1368
    Stheno
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    We've less than 15k Garda in Ireland. Where will the Guards everywhere come from??

    There was plenty of them about my area in March, I literally could not go to the shop without being stopped


  • #1369
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    titan18 wrote: »
    I wouldn't see why they don't delay schools a week and a half and just cancel February mid term instead. Instead of having them go back on the 6th, it'd be 18th and by then we might have things back under control

    This logic made sense around halloween as well to give us a circuit breaker and again last Monday and Tuesday when it could have prolonged the christmas break to a full 2 weeks but they refused both times.

    They appear unwilling to make even minor concessions to the schools staying open plan since the new government was formed.


  • #1370
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Many didn't though.

    I don't want to be annoying anyone but it has to be said, where are those posters who wanted everything opened up, that we didn't need the restrictions? That we just go about Christmas in the normal way?

    Warnings ignored, people not taking it seriously, telling us all to ignore advice.

    And now we have the results of that.

    We could have kept our restrictions tight and foregone Christmas for one year. Wasn't much to ask.

    No one said that from my memory. Not one single person has said ignore all advice

    Also, maybe it's because you're atheist or maybe because you don't buy into the whole Christmas theme but, saying "it's not too much to ask to go one year without Christmas" is a bit of a piss take...That or your attitude/mindset is of someone I really would not like to know in real life


  • #1371
    Plumbthedepths
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    ongarite wrote: »
    We had this in March.
    Only for 2 weeks, then another 2 weeks, then sorry need another 2 weeks...
    Before it ended it was June.

    No-one is buying into that again.

    Didn’t end in June either.


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  • #1372
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    A knowledgeable pal of mine told me the Irish economy has coped okay with all of this.

    The economy is something we may have to look at after all this. It seems we were not badly affected and may even see growth, because of the multi nationals in pharma and tech and their various deals for passing money through our territory.

    Imagine... all the normal people jobs that we campaign for in hospitality and tourism that were wiped out and we will still come out on top in Europe for annual economic growth. Vast amounts of normal people doing normal jobs is not worth as much to us as the relatively few in specific encouraged areas.

    That's an unhealthy economic imbalance that we have been long warned about, but we still take foreign investment ahead of actually investing in our own abilities.

    Had brexit gone badly, we may have been in a shortage position for many things that we used to make and provide for domestically, luckily the disruption to supply should now be minimal, but we had a lucky escape.

    We have too many economic eggs in the one tax break deals basket.


  • #1373
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    All borrowed money has to be paid back of course the interest rates are a factor, but you still need to make repayments which is money not available to spend on other things. Closing sectors of the economy without evidence to justify same is reactionary bs. I would be more impressed if those making that decision had ‘skin in the game ‘ so to speak.

    Probably for another thread, but I'm not so sure about this. I can see a LOT of debt being written off globally after all this is over. Not everything mind, belts will have to be tightened - but it's a (God I hope so) once in a lifetime style event.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #1374
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    The economy is something we may have to look at after all this. It seems we were not badly affected and may even see growth, because of the multi nationals in pharma and tech and their various deals for passing money through our territory.

    Imagine... all the normal people jobs that we campaign for in hospitality and tourism that were wiped out and we will still come out on top in Europe for annual economic growth. Vast amounts of normal people doing normal jobs is not worth as much to us as the relatively few in specific encouraged areas.

    That's an unhealthy economic imbalance that we have been long warned about, but we still take foreign investment ahead of actually investing in our own abilities.

    Had brexit gone badly, we may have been in a shortage position for many things that we used to make and provide for domestically, luckily the disruption to supply should now be minimal, but we had a lucky escape.

    We have too many economic eggs in the one tax break deals basket.

    Served us well this time around:)


  • #1375
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,044 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Choices were made. Restrictions were relaxed despite what was going on across Europe.

    The government has to take responsibility for that along with those who have been feckless with themselves and everyone else.

    You can say it's spilt milk now and it is but many took abuse from these people for urging restraint and keeping a broad range of measures to ensure we did not face what we face now in January.

    Maybe it would have taken off regardless but no one can seriously argue we gave ourselves the best chance of avoiding this situation we find ourselves in.

    The best chance of avoiding this situation would have been complete and total lockdown since March last year.

    Obviously, this is not possible. It’s such a nonsense point.


  • #1376
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Necro wrote: »
    Probably for another thread, but I'm not so sure about this. I can see a LOT of debt being written off globally after all this is over. Not everything mind, belts will have to be tightened - but it's a (God I hope so) once in a lifetime style event.

    We borrowed 15 billion this year.

    You think we'll just be allowed keep it??

    Any reason why you think this


  • #1377
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Todays testing data is in and its not pretty reading

    Total tests: 13,802, % Tests Positive 14.5%, Positive Tests 2,007.


  • #1378
    Stheno
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    Todays testing data is in and its not pretty reading

    Total tests: 13,802, % Tests Positive 14.5%, Positive Tests 2,007.

    You're about 100 posts late :)


  • #1379
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Served us well this time around:)

    By accident, more than design. We have no futureproofing plan for the economy, beyond fighting to hang on to the tax haven deals that we have.

    Yes it has helped out now, but it's not good to have the entire future economic activity of a country tied up in fickle foreign investment.


  • #1380
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Necro wrote: »
    Probably for another thread, but I'm not so sure about this. I can see a LOT of debt being written off globally after all this is over. Not everything mind, belts will have to be tightened - but it's a (God I hope so) once in a lifetime style event.
    I've read that something like half the debt we will issue next year will be bought by the ECB as part of their pandemic efforts. In theory we have to pay that back, in reality we won't - and we'll be "paying" the interest to ourselves.

    With the vaccines coming, we can afford to borrow to see us through this.


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  • #1381
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    MOR316 wrote: »
    No one said that from my memory. Not one single person has said ignore all advice

    Also, maybe it's because you're atheist or maybe because you don't buy into the whole Christmas theme but, saying "it's not too much to ask to go one year without Christmas" is a bit of a piss take...That or your attitude/mindset is of someone I really would not like to know in real life

    No single day of the year, no matter what it is for, is worth the disruption coming to people's lives in the next few months. None.

    And if you think it is you are the one with the issue to address.


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