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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #512
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Except that's not who we're vaccinating with this batch........

    "Ministers have confirmed that those aged over 65 and in long-term care, frontline healthcare workers in direct patient contact (including vaccinators) and those aged over 70 will be the first to receive the Covid-19 vaccine."


  • #513
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    If only people were as concerned about the vulnerables' wellbeing when it was dependent on their own actions, rather than trotting it out as another axe to grind against Tony/the HSE/the government.


  • #514
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    niallo27 wrote: »
    "Ministers have confirmed that those aged over 65 and in long-term care, frontline healthcare workers in direct patient contact (including vaccinators) and those aged over 70 will be the first to receive the Covid-19 vaccine."

    Yes Healthcare workers this week, then when we start getting 30k a week, we move onto care homes, there's a timetable and everything.

    You can sit at home not believing anything you want, the rest of us will deal in facts......


  • #515
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    Statement also says "It brings the total number of Covid-19-related deaths in the country to 2,204."

    Have they always been described as Covid-19-related?

    The covid data hub describes the 2,204 as "includes probable and possible". RTE, The Journal, Irish Times, etc. just say death toll. Also say 86,129 confirmed cases even though some are "denotified" almost every day.


  • #516
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Ficheall wrote: »
    If only people were as concerned about the vulnerables' wellbeing when it was dependent on their own actions, rather than trotting it out as another axe to grind against Tony/the HSE/the government.
    I've been a big supporter of the Government/TH throughout this.

    Asking for an explanation as to why there is a difference between us and other countries is completely reasonable, and is part of holding government to account with what is a major project which impacts on us all.

    I still haven't heard an answer by the way. And the photo shoot yesterday was shambolic PR which made it even worse - no-one could care less about any of those people standing in front of a fridge.


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  • #517
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    hmmm wrote: »
    I've been a big supporter of the Government/TH throughout this.

    Asking for an explanation as to why there is a difference between us and other countries is completely reasonable, and is part of holding government to account with what is a major project which impacts on us all.

    I still haven't heard an answer by the way. And the photo shoot yesterday was shambolic PR which made it even worse - no-one could care less about any of those people standing in front of a fridge.

    if it was weeks i would agree with you, and i would be angry too and demanding explanations. but it's 3 days.


  • #518
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Yes Healthcare workers this week, then when we start getting 30k a week, we move onto care homes, there's a timetable and everything.

    You can sit at home not believing anything you want, the rest of us will deal in facts......

    I think you may be mistaken, according to all timetables, over 65s in long term homes will be the first to get it. Maybe you have been sitting at home too long yourself away from the real world.


  • #519
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I think you may be mistaken, according to all timetables, over 65s in long term homes will be the first to get it. Maybe you have been sitting at home too long yourself away from the real world.

    HCWs are getting them starting Tuesday (December 29th). Nursing home resident roll out starts 11 January.


  • #520
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    hmmm wrote: »
    I've been a big supporter of the Government/TH throughout this.

    Asking for an explanation as to why there is a difference between us and other countries is completely reasonable, and is part of holding government to account with what is a major project which impacts on us all.

    I still haven't heard an answer by the way. And the photo shoot yesterday was shambolic PR which made it even worse - no-one could care less about any of those people standing in front of a fridge.

    Honestly this is not our strong point. Get it done. We don't empower the military to get it done. They are the only ones used to dealing with high uncertainty and logistics. It's baffling really. Every other country uses them in an emergency. No excuses. We put an academic in charge of a logistical problem.


  • #521
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    froog wrote: »
    if it was weeks i would agree with you, and i would be angry too and demanding explanations. but it's 3 days.
    I'm not thinking about it being 3 days. I'm thinking about it being a "gap". Why is there a gap? If it's 3 days now, what's to stop it becoming 30 days as the volumes ramp up?

    If it's a lack of resources, that's a problem for the Minister of Health to sort out and he should be asked to explain it.

    If it's people on holidays or bad planning or work practices, or something like that - that's a problem.

    If it's less of a sense of urgency - that's a problem also.

    If it's a very new technology to Ireland and other countries have more experience (all of them?) then that's fine. Sounds unlikely, but I'd accept it.

    If it's a case that other countries have gone off too fast/doing it for PR purposes only - that's fine too.

    But it's not a problem for people to ask, and in my opinion we have a reasonable expectation that we should get an answer.


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  • #522
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    HCWs are getting them starting Tuesday (December 29th). Nursing home resident roll out starts 11 January.

    Really is this true, according to the hse website over 65s will be first, I'm open to correction though.

    https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/


  • #523
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭poppers


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I think you may be mistaken, according to all timetables, over 65s in long term homes will be the first to get it. Maybe you have been sitting at home too long yourself away from the real world.
    Staff and paitients in 4 hospitals first.
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/operation-vaccination-hses-plan-for-care-home-residents-39902805.html
    Care homes kick off on 11 jan dates for each one listed in following article
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/revealed-when-every-care-home-in-the-country-will-get-their-supply-of-covid-19-vaccine-39899564.html


  • #524
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    poppers wrote: »
    Staff and paitients in 4 hospitals first.
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/operation-vaccination-hses-plan-for-care-home-residents-39902805.html
    Care homes kick off on 11 jan dates for each one listed in following article
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/revealed-when-every-care-home-in-the-country-will-get-their-supply-of-covid-19-vaccine-39899564.html

    Thanks so its not just staff.


  • #525
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    hmmm wrote: »
    I've been a big supporter of the Government/TH throughout this.

    Asking for an explanation as to why there is a difference between us and other countries is completely reasonable, and is part of holding government to account with what is a major project which impacts on us all.

    I still haven't heard an answer by the way. And the photo shoot yesterday was shambolic PR which made it even worse - no-one could care less about any of those people standing in front of a fridge.

    From reading this and the vaccine thread the reasons for the delay are:
    HSE management are on holidays
    IT system needs to be implemented
    Unions want an extra break for staff
    Staff need to be trained
    Staff are rostered to change hospitals which will complicate things for their second dose.

    The official government/HSE reason is...... they haven't said or they haven't been asked.


  • #526
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Cool so the vaccination programme is the way it is because of staff training, well to be fair the vaccine came as a surprise no advance information. I remember Fergal Bowers did a piece about how it was a coincidence that the country was locked down to a certain date last May when funny enough the tract and trace system was due to kick in. Anyone expecting anything other than incompetence and ineptitude from the HSE is gong to be disappointed.


  • #527
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    hmmm wrote: »
    I've been a big supporter of the Government/TH throughout this.

    Asking for an explanation as to why there is a difference between us and other countries is completely reasonable, and is part of holding government to account with what is a major project which impacts on us all.
    Wasn't you I had i mind, hmmm. I'm also curious, but am hopeful that there's good reason, and less hopeful that boards would provide any enlightenment. I was just amused at some of the strident reprioritising.


  • #528
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    hmmm wrote: »
    I'm not thinking about it being 3 days. I'm thinking about it being a "gap". Why is there a gap? If it's 3 days now, what's to stop it becoming 30 days as the volumes ramp up?

    If it's a lack of resources, that's a problem for the Minister of Health to sort out and he should be asked to explain it.

    If it's people on holidays or bad planning or work practices, or something like that - that's a problem.

    If it's less of a sense of urgency - that's a problem also.

    If it's a very new technology to Ireland and other countries have more experience (all of them?) then that's fine. Sounds unlikely, but I'd accept it.

    If it's a case that other countries have gone off too fast/doing it for PR purposes only - that's fine too.

    But it's not a problem for people to ask, and in my opinion we have a reasonable expectation that we should get an answer.

    My main concern would be that we don't have enough people trained up to.administrate vaccine at the key point when we need to ramp up inoculation.


  • #529
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Well I had an interesting Christmas... helping organise a test for an extremely high risk 80+ year old who lives alone. A complex issue but I would like to thank the people who helped organise it on the HSE helpline, public health nurses, hospital staff, the mobile testing unit, the lab techs and staff who will ring with the results.

    I am wrecked.Merry Christmas everybody.. but a little reminder of what musicians are normally up to at Christmas...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSLaXh-lCg4


    Thankfully this year the likes of the VDP and the penny dinnears kept rockin' and rollin' for those less fornuate amongst us.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40196718.html


  • #530
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Ficheall wrote: »
    If only people were as concerned about the vulnerables' wellbeing when it was dependent on their own actions, rather than trotting it out as another axe to grind against Tony/the HSE/the government.

    Yep, too busy saying what the HSE/NPHET "should" be doing or just lashing them out of it from the safety of their own couch.

    It's been very boring listening to them nothing has been good enough for them. If only they had volunteered their unqualified advice to HSE/NPHET, we would have been out of this mess before it started.

    Thats why the ignore function is the best thing about this site. Otherwise you will be listening to them for another few months.


  • #531
    AutoTuning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭AutoTuning


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Honestly this is not our strong point. Get it done. We don't empower the military to get it done. They are the only ones used to dealing with high uncertainty and logistics. It's baffling really. Every other country uses them in an emergency. No excuses. We put an academic in charge of a logistical problem.

    They’re probably not geared for it. This is isn’t a country with a large military with medical experience.


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  • #532
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    AutoTuning wrote: »
    They’re probably not geared for it. This is isn’t a country with a large military with medical experience.


    Maybe not, but transport, security and setting up temporary hospitals would all be their wheelhouse, they might not give the injection, but they'll make sure it's where it's meant to be, when it's meant to be there, and that it stays there........


  • #533
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Yep, too busy saying what the HSE/NPHET "should" be doing or just lashing them out of it from the safety of their own couch.

    It's been very boring listening to them nothing has been good enough for them. If only they had volunteered their unqualified advice to HSE/NPHET, we would have been out of this mess before it started.

    Thats why the ignore function is the best thing about this site. Otherwise you will be listening to them for another few months.

    Plenty of posters that have been totally supportive of nphet have expressed equal frustration with the vaccine rollout. Are we wrong to question why we are one of the last in Europe. Do you think the HSE is a well run organisation.


  • #534
    AutoTuning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭AutoTuning


    I just don’t understand how the training on the "complex consent process" wasn't complete weeks ago. It's not like we didn't know exactly what would be involved in the rollout of the vaccine.

    Everything about this is a known quantity. It's very different to an emergency response to an unknown virus with unpredictability.

    I'm hoping I'm not going to feel badly let down and disappointed by this, but I'll tell you one thing - the state of healthcare here will be a massive deciding factor in my voting patterns. I'm fed up with perma-crisis and it's not good enough to feel you can't trust or really rely on a public health system in a wealthy, well resourced, Western European country.

    I think we should all feel we absolutely can and should scrutinise this and drive change. It's going on too long.

    The reason people are worried about this delay is that the track record is abominably long waiting lists, hours and days in A&E, poor access, having to use loopholes in EU law to get HSE funded treatment abroad and generally just letdown after letdown, even though we are funding it pretty well, if the figures are accurate.

    I remember when this COVID situation initially kicked off my immediate reaction was that we wouldn't cope as the system is so weak. We've done ok but it's been due to NPHET and management of the spread, probably policy driven by being terrified of testing the hospital systems at anything like full capacity.

    I feel I cannot take for granted that the state or the HSE will be efficient or competent and that's an absolutely ludicrous situation in 2020s Ireland and one we should be truly embarrassed about.


  • #535
    Moragle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Moragle


    speckle wrote: »
    Well I had an interesting Christmas... helping organise a test for an extremely high risk 80+ year old who lives alone. A complex issue but I would like to thank the people who helped organise it on the HSE helpline, public health nurses, hospital staff, the mobile testing unit, the lab techs and staff who will ring with the results.

    I am wrecked.Merry Christmas everybody.. but a little reminder of what musicians are normally up to at Christmas...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSLaXh-lCg4


    Thankfully this year the likes of the VDP and the penny dinnears kept rockin' and rollin' for those less fornuate amongst us.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40196718.html

    I'm genuinely not being a dick but how did your extremely high risk person get exposed to covid and why did you have such a hard time getting them a test. I'm a gp its very straightforward for a referral even now when we're on out of hours


  • #536
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    The latest google android data is ****ing terrible

    537355.png


  • #537
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    The latest google android data is ****ing terrible

    537355.png

    Why? Don't just post a graph without explaining why you think it's terrible.
    Biggest worry would be workplaces, which is down and also residential which is level.
    Do you have the mobility data to suggest an increase in retail & grocery causing massive cases?


  • #538
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Why? Don't just post a graph without explaining why you think it's terrible.
    Biggest worry would be workplaces, which is down and also residential which is level.
    Do you have the mobility data to suggest an increase in retail & grocery causing massive cases?

    I've posted long explanations of what I think's going to happen, and they've been largely ignored.
    I've repeatedly posted android phone data and it's been completely ignored.
    I post more graphs and explanations than almost anyone else.

    I recognise your username, you're a regular, and frankly that's an easy to read chart. Figure it out for your ****ing self


  • #539
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I've posted long explanations of what I think's going to happen, and they've been largely ignored.
    I've repeatedly posted android phone data and it's been completely ignored.
    I post more graphs and explanations than almost anyone else.

    I recognise your username, you're a regular, and frankly that's an easy to read chart. Figure it out for your ****ing self

    That graph you posted, you made comment and no explanation, the previous positivity one, a comment and no explanation.
    Has increased retail caused more cases?
    It seems on here retail, non retail, is not causing casing massive cases.
    Workplaces, there's been many an outbreak, that graph shows less movement in workplaces. So tell me, why are we ****ed?
    It seems you and Leo are the only 2 people who are surprised by increases in cases.


  • #540
    AutoTuning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭AutoTuning


    All the graph says to me is what I already know - there was an inevitable spike in Christmas shopping a few days ahead of Christmas.

    It was inevitable that there would be a spike in infections. Let's not kid ourselves pretending to be surprised by it.

    The main thing now is we are where we are and we are past the Xmas crazy and the vaccine are beginning to arrive.

    So just be boring, be anti social and get the numbers down again. We don't have the capacity to deal with a big outbreak. That's not really a point of discussion anymore.


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  • #541
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    That graph you posted, you made comment and no explanation, the previous positivity one, a comment and no explanation.
    Has increased retail caused more cases?
    It seems on here retail, non retail, is not causing casing massive cases.
    Workplaces, there's been many an outbreak, that graph shows less movement in workplaces. So tell me, why are we ****ed?
    It seems you and Leo are the only 2 people who are surprised by increases in cases.

    I've been predicting these increases for weeks.
    You're ****ing surprised. Not me. I've read your drivel. You've been consistently wrong every ****ing day since you joined the conversation.

    And now you want me to explain an easily read chart to you?

    No thanks


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