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Siamsa Sessions · 21-12-2020 11:58AM

wrangler wrote: »

People should stop all this whinig over one bloody day,
In famine times people left and never saw their family again, now they have every possible method to stay in contact.
Anyone flying in now are selfish in the extreme ...... pathetic lot

Different times and different people with different stresses these days, but I agree with your point - not getting "home for Xmas" won't kill anyone, but getting home might!

Siamsa Sessions · 21-12-2020 12:07PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There's a saying in microbiology that everything is everywhere but the environment selects.
What is really being seen with this new variant could just be random, it could be that some variants might be more favoured in the summer/autumn compared to the winter (but average out at same transmission rates overall) or it could be just noise thats being wrongly interpreted.
All of the above are much much more likely answers than what they are saying

Imagine if the news reports stated something as straightforward and non-dramatic as this? There'd be much less stress on everyone.

But that'd be boring and the news media are competing with the Kardashians, Liverpool vs Man City, and Sky's latest flashy series (whatever it is this week), so they go with drama and "the end is nigh" to try get people's attention. Plus RTE has dozens of staff and they need something to do.

Switch off the news!

yosemitesam1 · 21-12-2020 12:46PM

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Imagine if the news reports stated something as straightforward and non-dramatic as this? There'd be much less stress on everyone.

But that'd be boring and the news media are competing with the Kardashians, Liverpool vs Man City, and Sky's latest flashy series (whatever it is this week), so they go with drama and "the end is nigh" to try get people's attention. Plus RTE has dozens of staff and they need something to do.

Switch off the news!

If a salesman walked into anyones yard and told them x product COULD be up to 70% more effective than y product according to a survey (not even a trial). Who would buy?

The more cynical side of me says that this is being brought about to regain the sort of control that was had over the population back in spring as restrictions are getting less and less effective at actually reducing peoples activity.
Could also be a bit to hype up how the vaccine is the only solution or take focus away from Brexit discussions...

Water John · 21-12-2020 12:52PM

The indications are, that the new variant adds 0.4 to the R number. So a R 1 becomes an R 1.4. To get an R 1 of the new variant is the equivalent of getting our R number to 0.6.

patsy_mccabe · 21-12-2020 01:02PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

To be fair that's not exactly true, Australia only closed border to foreigners there is still 6500 citizens a week flying into Australia.. sure they are managed in quarantine for 14 days which many don't really mind if it helps keep cases manageable.

but there is definitely no army on the streets

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53174827

Water John · 21-12-2020 01:05PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53174827

TMK Mandrake lives there.

mandrake04 · 21-12-2020 01:17PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53174827

I live in Australia

Army and Navy act as security for quarantine hotels, not on the streets.

patsy_mccabe · 21-12-2020 02:10PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

I live in Australia

Army and Navy act as security for quarantine hotels, not on the streets.

I was told they were, by someone who has a close relative living there. Sydney, I believe.

Water John · 21-12-2020 04:35PM

2.2M doses of Pfizer will be EU authorised for Ireland this evening and 880,000 Moderna around Jan 6th. That's enough for 1.5 M people.

alps · 21-12-2020 04:45PM

Water John wrote: »

2.2M doses of Pfizer will be EU authorised for Ireland this evening and 880,000 Moderna around Jan 6th. That's enough for 1.5 M people.

Should let farmers administer it....only people who can do 100 an hour..

Seriously though...I've yet to see anyone comment on the numbers to be completed daily....38,000 per day (5 day week) to have everyone done by the end of 2021..

This talk of adding it on top of GP and pharmacy workload seems nonsensical....how the GP's can even contemplate looking for the work is beyond me when you consider how difficult it is to get an appointment for everyday ailments..

Water John · 21-12-2020 04:49PM

alps wrote: »

Should let farmers administer it....only people who can do 100 an hour..

Seriously though...I've yet to see anyone comment on the numbers to be completed daily....38,000 per day (5 day week) to have everyone done by the end of 2021..

This talk of adding it on top of GP and pharmacy workload seems nonsensical....how the GP's can even contemplate looking for the work is beyond me when you consider how difficult it is to get an appointment for everyday ailments..

There are 1/2 nurses in most GP practices. Along with pharmacists, that puts in excess of 10 vaccinators in each town without asking any doctors.

ectoraige · 21-12-2020 05:01PM

Water John wrote: »

The indications are, that the new variant adds 0.4 to the R number. So a R 1 becomes an R 1.4. To get an R 1 of the new variant is the equivalent of getting our R number to 0.6.

The 0.4 isn't a nailed down figure for the new variant, they are looking at between 0.4 and 0.9 as being the addend. It's the potential for 0.9 that's scaring the bejeesus out of health authorities.

Water John · 21-12-2020 05:04PM

The 0.4 I had sourced from the Guardian, hadn't heard mention of 0.9.
0.9 would mean very high transmission, like measles.

ectoraige · 21-12-2020 05:23PM

The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threat Analysis Group (NERVTAG) in the UK met on the 18th and included this in their summary:

Studies of correlation between R-values and detection of the variant: which suggest an absolute increase in the R-value of between 0.39 to 0.93.

This is still under investigation, but the precautionary principle is being applied due to the potential for rapid exponential growth which would again overwhelm health systems.

yosemitesam1 · 21-12-2020 06:05PM

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/scientists-mps-ask-where-evidence-70-more-contagious-mutant-covid

Worth reading...

There doesnt seem to be any published evidence of how they came to the conclusion that it's more infective. Nobody really understands what causes different strains of the same pathogen to predominate over eachother. But diversity is a given with any pathogen, so why lose our sh1t over this one mutation. The precautionary principle is not a valid reason, only solid data would be.

endainoz · 21-12-2020 06:08PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/scientists-mps-ask-where-evidence-70-more-contagious-mutant-covid

Worth reading...

There doesnt seem to be any published evidence of how they came to the conclusion that it's more infective. Nobody really understands what causes different strains of the same pathogen to predominate over eachother. But diversity is a given with any pathogen, so why lose our sh1t over this one mutation. The precautionary principle is not a valid reason, only solid data would be.

I loved him in Fight Club, seriously man you clearly do have great knowledge of these things without linking websites with no credibility that quotes the daily mail.

yosemitesam1 · 21-12-2020 06:32PM

endainoz wrote: »

I loved him in Fight Club, seriously man you clearly do have great knowledge of these things without linking websites with no credibility that quotes the daily mail.

That particular article is sound and everything in it is worth considering even if it's not the most respectable source out there

endainoz · 21-12-2020 06:58PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

That particular article is sound and everything in it is worth considering even if it's not the most respectable source out there

I'm not giving an article any attention when the author is a fictional character.

orm0nd · 21-12-2020 09:51PM

Water John wrote: »

There are 1/2 nurses in most GP practices. Along with pharmacists, that puts in excess of 10 vaccinators in each town without asking any doctors.

I reckon there will be have to designated centres set up,

storage is the big issue, I can't see -70c facilities being available at small scale outlets

NcdJd · 21-12-2020 10:12PM

orm0nd wrote: »

I reckon there will be have to designated centres set up,

storage is the big issue, I can't see -70c facilities being available at small scale outlets

Not a problem with dry ice. Will last up to 5 days before the dry ice needs to be changed. At that stage the you'd hope the vials would have been used. The logistics infrastructure is in place already.

mandrake04 · 21-12-2020 10:14PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was told they were, by someone who has a close relative living there. Sydney, I believe.

You believe?

I live in Sydney and have been for the last 15 years.

21/12/2020

The Australian Defence Force has deployed 1298 personnel to support hotel quarantine.

That includes 342 ADF personnel in New South Wales, 284 in Queensland and 150 in Victoria, Mr Morrison said.

The ADF is not currently patrolling any borders or hotspots.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-paul-kelly-appointed-as-australias-chief-medical-officer/11fb1d30-9914-4740-b0c6-3c8ff06bcc04

alps · 22-12-2020 02:06AM

orm0nd wrote: »

I reckon there will be have to designated centres set up,

storage is the big issue, I can't see -70c facilities being available at small scale outlets

Back to the farmers again.....who has -70 storage tanks in their dairies?

Reggie. · 22-12-2020 06:48AM

alps wrote: »

Back to the farmers again.....who has -70 storage tanks in their dairies?

We really are the all rounders

patsy_mccabe · 23-12-2020 11:32AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

You believe?

I live in Sydney and have been for the last 15 years.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-paul-kelly-appointed-as-australias-chief-medical-officer/11fb1d30-9914-4740-b0c6-3c8ff06bcc04

Look, I was only saying what I was told. No need to be tetchy.

mandrake04 · 23-12-2020 11:55AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Look, I was only saying what I was told. No need to be tetchy.

Sorry Mate, I was just clarifying the facts rather than hearsay.

No harm intended

greysides · 24-12-2020 03:28PM

Maybe asymptomatic cases aren't infectious...

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

Water John · 24-12-2020 10:57PM

greysides wrote: »

Maybe asymptomatic cases aren't infectious...

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

Interesting that it says 17/20% of infections a re asymptomatic. This is much lower than any figure I have heard. This means we have a fairly accurate knowledge of the total numbers, by multiplying the known cases by 1.2.

BTW one of a family, a front line worker, has been notified they are being vaccinated next week.

whelan2 · 26-12-2020 06:05PM

Almost 1300 cases today... this is crap

gozunda · 27-12-2020 02:03AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Almost 1300 cases today... this is crap

With the known lag to hospital admission and likley increase rate of deaths down the road - its going to make for a rough January I reckon.

Stay safe everyone.

_Brian · 27-12-2020 09:56AM

gozunda wrote: »

With the known lag to hospital admission and likley increase rate of deaths down the road - its going to make for a rough January I reckon.

Stay safe everyone.

The positive age profile is younger which will hopefully result in fewer admissions and fewer desperately sick admissions.

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