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Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,862 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    I am observing strict social distancing from anything that looks like a mink, to be on the safe side.

    Woukd you be in contact with many mink?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    endainoz wrote: »
    A thread written by an antimasker keyboard warrior, a dangerous idiot to listen to.


    Lots of colourful adjectives there but no comment on the five well considered statements by the Tainiste...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Zomoradi


    its scary dude


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Zomoradi


    exactly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,862 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    See Holland has banned all flights from the UK from 6am this morning


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    Lots of colourful adjectives there but no comment on the five well considered statements by the Tainiste...

    Anything Leo says is politically motivated. As taoiseach under covid his popularity sky rocketed, now as tainiste he's just biding his time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,533 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Government is stopping most of the travel from britain now for 48 hrs at least, Can people not stay where they are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    wrangler wrote: »
    Government is stopping most of the travel from britain now for 48 hrs at least, Can people not stay where they are

    You think we've reached peak hysteria and then the world gets even worse...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Once upon a time, among the activities and occupations of man there was an activity called scientific research, and the performers of this activity were called scientists. In reality, however, these men were builders who constructed edifices, called explanations or laws, by assembling bricks, called facts. When the bricks were sound and were assembled properly, the edifice was useful and durable and brought pleasure, and sometimes reward, to the builder. If the bricks were faulty or if they were assembled badly, the edifice would crumble, and this kind of disaster could be very dangerous to innocent users of the edifice as well as to the builder, who sometimes was destroyed by the collapse. Because the quality of the bricks was so important to the success of the edifice, and because bricks were so scarce in those days, the builders made their own bricks. The making of bricks was a difficult and expensive undertaking and the wise builder avoided waste by making only bricks of the shape and size necessary for the enterprise at hand. The builder was guided in this manufacture by a blueprint, called a theory or hypothesis.
    It came to pass that builders realized that they were sorely hampered in their efforts by delays in obtaining bricks. Thus there arose a new skilled trade known as brickmaking, called junior scientist to give the artisan proper pride in his work. This new arrangement was very efficient, and the construction of edifices proceeded with great vigour. Sometimes brickmakers became inspired and progressed to the status of builders. In spite of the separation of duties, bricks still were made with care and usually were produced only on order. Now and then an enterprising brickmaker was able to foresee a demand and would prepare a stock of bricks ahead of time, but, in general, brickmaking was done on a custom basis because it still was a difficult and expensive process.

    And then it came to pass that a misunderstanding spread among the brickmakers (there are some who say that this misunderstanding developed as a result of careless training of a new generation of brickmakers). The brickmakers became obsessed with the making of bricks. When reminded that the ultimate goal was edifices, not bricks, they replied that, if enough bricks were available, the builders would be able to select what was necessary and still continue to construct edifices. The flaws in this argument were not readily apparent, and so, with the help of the citizens who were waiting to use the edifices yet to be built, amazing things happened. The expense of brickmaking became a minor factor because large sums of money were made available; the time and effort involved in brickmaking was reduced by ingenious automatic machinery; the ranks of the brickmakers were swelled by augmented training programs and intensive recruitment. It even was suggested that the production of a suitable number of bricks was equivalent to building an edifice and therefore should entitle the industrious brickmaker to assume the title of builder and, with the title, the authority.

    And so it happened that the land became flooded with bricks. it became necessary to organize more and more storage places, called journals, and more and more elaborate systems of bookkeeping to record the inventory. In all of this the brickmakers retained their pride and skill and the bricks were of the very best quality. But production was ahead of demand, and bricks no longer were made to order. The size and shape was now dictated by changing trends in fashion. In order to compete successfully with other brickmakers, production emphasized those types of brick that were easy to make, and only rarely did an adventuresome brickmaker attempt a difficult or unusual design. The influence of tradition in production methods and in types of product became a dominating factor.
    Unfortunately, the builders were almost destroyed. It became difficult to find the proper bricks for a task because one had to hunt among so many. It became difficult to find a suitable plot for construction of an edifice because the ground was covered with loose bricks. It became difficult to complete a useful edifice because, as soon as the foundations were discernible, they were buried under an avalanche of random bricks. And, saddest of all, sometimes no effort was made even to maintain the distinction between a pile of bricks and a true edifice.

    That was a letter written published in the 60's about the problems only starting to emerge in science. It is more important now than ever before as "science" struggles to understand real world situations such as that with covid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    Lots of colourful adjectives there but no comment on the five well considered statements by the Tainiste...

    I’m not on Twitter, so I don’t know if Leo is an avid tweeter or not...
    I wonder how many tweets has Leo put out in support of the topics mentioned above? Or is there a context we are missing from the above tweets?

    I think in the modern age - it’s easy to edit tweets or statements made, to form a certain narrative... Has this happened in this case?

    Personally, I think it’s no great hardship to wear or mask or adhere to the advise being put out.
    I certainly don’t agree with your anti-mask friend. Given he does seem to be so anti what the government are asking us to do - I would question his motives...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,862 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    764 new cases


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I see on a Christmas card my niece intended to fly over from the UK for Christmas and she's a doc..
    Not to my part of the country TG. Now not happening I hope. But then her parents flew to UK earlier in the year to visit. Some people believe in exceptionalism for themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Donegalforever


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    I don't have time to entertain mere speculation without foundation or plausibility, we have to proceed on the basis of reasonable certainty in our actions. So yes your claim is one sent straight to the garbage bin.

    What you are impying is that in all those tests we didn't find a single person who tested positive for flu.
    But we're picking up hundreds or thousands of people per day who test positive for covid.
    And yet the covid test is being fooled by flu?

    There are even diagnostic tests that will test for covid, influenza A and influenza B.

    There is such a thing as a mind so open anyone can fill it with whatever they want.

    Has anyone asked you to entertain anything?
    It is a good thing that everyone does not think in the same way, otherwise life would become very boring.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    odyssey06 wrote: »

    What you are impying is that in all those tests we didn't find a single person who tested positive for flu.
    But we're picking up hundreds or thousands of people per day who test positive for covid.
    And yet the covid test is being fooled by flu?

    There are even diagnostic tests that will test for covid, influenza A and influenza B.

    A swab will only detect what it's tested for. Covid swabs would have to be specifically tested for flu viruses to show them present.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,650 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    greysides wrote: »
    A swab will only detect what it's tested for. Covid swabs would have to be specifically tested for flu viruses to show them present.

    Even without the below multiplex test, it beggars belief that we've had no positive flu cases in Ireland this winter yet somehow flu is confusing covid tests.

    The CDC Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay is a real-time reverse-transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test that detects and differentiates RNA from SARS-CoV-2, influenza A virus, and influenza B virus in upper or lower respiratory specimens. The assay provides a sensitive, nucleic-acid-based diagnostic tool for evaluation of specimens from patients in the acute phase of infection.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/multiplex.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    I’m not on Twitter, so I don’t know if Leo is an avid tweeter or not...
    I wonder how many tweets has Leo put out in support of the topics mentioned above? Or is there a context we are missing from the above tweets?

    I think in the modern age - it’s easy to edit tweets or statements made, to form a certain narrative... Has this happened in this case?

    Personally, I think it’s no great hardship to wear or mask or adhere to the advise being put out.
    I certainly don’t agree with your anti-mask friend. Given he does seem to be so anti what the government are asking us to do - I would question his motives...

    I'm no friend of Varadkars - but he's no fool.
    As sly as a pet fox.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Jeepers it's getting very serious now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,699 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    I'm no friend of Varadkars - but he's no fool.
    As sly as a pet fox.
    He’s a cute one alright. OH refers to him as - slippy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,173 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    kk.man wrote: »
    Jeepers it's getting very serious now...

    Batsh**t crazy if the r rate that they are predicting comes to pass with the mutated covid strain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,699 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Batsh**t crazy if the r rate that they are predicting comes to pass with the mutated covid strain
    “Batsh1t” is apt although the scientists studying the origins of this virus say it could have mutated within different species. That’s the bit I remember from Newstalk/Prof. Luke O’Neill earlier this week.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Base price wrote: »
    “Batsh1t” is apt although the scientists studying the origins of this virus say it could have mutated within different species. That’s the bit I remember from Newstalk/Prof. Luke O’Neill earlier this week.

    Are we implementing restrictions here on UK travel?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Base price wrote: »
    “Batsh1t” is apt although the scientists studying the origins of this virus say it could have mutated within different species. That’s the bit I remember from Newstalk/Prof. Luke O’Neill earlier this week.

    There's a saying in microbiology that everything is everywhere but the environment selects.
    What is really being seen with this new variant could just be random, it could be that some variants might be more favoured in the summer/autumn compared to the winter (but average out at same transmission rates overall) or it could be just noise thats being wrongly interpreted.
    All of the above are much much more likely answers than what they are saying


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    gozunda wrote: »
    Are we implementing restrictions here on UK travel?

    Quietest I've heard Dublin Airport in over a week. Hope all the irish truck drivers make it home soon that have been caught up in all of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,862 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    NcdJd wrote: »
    Quietest I've heard Dublin Airport in over a week. Hope all the irish truck drivers make it home soon that have been caught up in all of this.

    I dont understand why the government cant meet today. Are ferries still running?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    whelan2 wrote: »
    I dont understand why the government cant meet today. Are ferries still running?

    Do they not get a 3 day weekend ? :)

    Ferries are still running. But not sure when the freight services only routine kicks in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,973 ✭✭✭dzer2


    Not sure how they are going to implement it as the passengers have to be stopped boarding on the UK side. It's too late when they arrive in Dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,862 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Wasnt there a ferry refused to dock in liverpool last week as something like 6 crew members had tested positive?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,481 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Civil service call the shots. It was all about managing the queue at the hospitals. Managing the curve as they call it.
    Look at Australia. They closed the borders and put the army on the streets. It worked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Civil service call the shots. It was all about managing the queue at the hospitals. Managing the curve as they call it.
    Look at Australia. They closed the borders and put the army on the streets. It worked.

    To be fair that's not exactly true, Australia only closed border to foreigners there is still 6500 citizens a week flying into Australia.. sure they are managed in quarantine for 14 days which many don't really mind if it helps keep cases manageable.

    but there is definitely no army on the streets


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,533 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    dzer2 wrote: »
    Not sure how they are going to implement it as the passengers have to be stopped boarding on the UK side. It's too late when they arrive in Dublin

    People should stop all this whinig over one bloody day,
    In famine times people left and never saw their family again, now they have every possible method to stay in contact.
    Anyone flying in now are selfish in the extreme ...... pathetic lot


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