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    #392
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Quiner wrote: »
    I think you're misunderstanding my post. My one is hypothetical. Did the man, in my hypothetical scenario whereby he happened to have covid, but felt fine, but fell off a ladder because he lost his balance, die of covid? I'm not talking about the actual case of that man who died of covid after falling from a ladder.

    OK you WHERE talking about the man who fell of the ladder and died of covid... You have now changed that.
    And you have now made up a nonsense situation. If you can show me a situation where someone died of something unrelated to covid and it was claimed as covid I'm all ears.


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    #393
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    OK you WHERE talking about the man who fell of the ladder and died of covid... You have now changed that.
    And you have now made up a nonsense situation. If you can show me a situation where someone died of something unrelated to covid and it was claimed as covid I'm all ears.

    I wasn't. I commented on a post about a man falling off a ladder. The poster who mentioned was talking about a hypothetical fall. I have not changed anything. I commented on a hypothetical fall and then presented my own hypothetical fall.


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    #394
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Quiner wrote: »
    I wasn't. I commented on a post about a man falling off a ladder. The poster who mentioned was talking about a hypothetical fall. I have not changed anything. I commented on a hypothetical fall and then presented my own hypothetical fall.
    So the actual case you agree was a death due to covid.
    Cool.

    Why did you previously claim that case was an example of the numbers being inflated?


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    #395
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    King Mob wrote: »
    So the actual case you agree was a death due to covid.
    Cool.

    Why did you previously claim that case was an example of the numbers being inflated?

    What case are you talking about? ShatterAlan mentioned a hypothetical fall. That was the one I commented on. And then I presented my own hypothetical fall.


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    #396
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Quiner wrote: »
    What case are you talking about? ShatterAlan mentioned a hypothetical fall. That was the one I commented on. And then I presented my own hypothetical fall.
    The original one you claimed was an example of fraudulent inflation of numbers.

    Don't play dumb. It's desperate even for you.


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    #397
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    King Mob wrote: »
    The original one you claimed was an example of fraudulent inflation of numbers.

    Don't play dumb. It's desperate even for you.

    No need for insults and attacks. You are very quick to call people liars and desperate.


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    #398
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Quiner wrote: »
    No need for insults and attacks. You are very quick to call people liars and desperate.
    Not really. I only point out when you do things like lie or use desperate tactics to avoid questions.
    Like the one you are using now: pretending to not know what I'm refering to.

    If you don't like people pointing out these things, perhaps stop using them and answer things honestly and directly for a change.


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    #399
    tobeme2020
    Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭tobeme2020


    If the conspiracy theories come true with covid19 , what will be all the new measures and different way of living in a decade from march 2020. Just so I can tick them all off as they happen if they come to be true or we can have some humour at how crazy these theories where.


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    #400
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    tobeme2020 wrote: »
    If the conspiracy theories come true with covid19 , what will be all the new measures and different way of living in a decade from march 2020. Just so I can tick them all off as they happen if they come to be true or we can have some humour at how crazy these theories where.

    The "less smart" ones have claimed all the crazy changes will start occurring this year, that the nefarious "powers that be" will finally reveal themselves and we all start our new nightmareish dystopian lives under Communism/Fascism/the NWO/an evil UN/etc

    The "smarter" ones have picked an arbitrary date 10 years in the future so they don't have to disappear or rereg for a long time..


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    #401
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The "less smart" ones have claimed all the crazy changes will start occurring this year, that the nefarious "powers that be" will finally reveal themselves and we all start our new nightmareish dystopian lives under Communism/Fascism/the NWO/an evil UN/etc

    The "smarter" ones have picked an arbitrary date 10 years in the future so they don't have to disappear or rereg for a long time..

    They're starting to reveal themselves bit by bit:

    https://twitter.com/Wordofbeak/status/1340747848745414661

    Dr Sanjay Gupta: "Do we have enough infrastructure to contact trace the way that we need to?"

    Dr Birx: "I think that's why the criteria that you can see the Gates" ("corrects" herself) "that the federal government has recommended ..."

    I guess that was just a slip of the tongue. Am I right?

    Oh, and the same Dr Birx was caught breaking her own "essential" rules the other day, just like Newsom, Sturgeon, Varadkar, Cummings, and numerous others.

    And then there are all the health passports and freedom passes that are either in the pipeline or being rolled out:

    Freedom passes in the UK: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-27/freedom-passes-show-how-a-city-s-trial-could-unlock-the-u-k

    Freedom passes in Switzerland: https://www.thelocal.ch/20201203/freedom-pass-will-switzerland-introduce-a-british-style-coronavirus-immunity-card

    Health Passport Ireland, under the new name 'Health Passport Europe', which suggests it will be rolled out all across Europe, is being rolled out across the world: https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-releases/irish-technology-deployed-in-south-africa-as-part-of-international-music-events-re-opening-860019579.html

    Health Passport Ireland promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM

    Health passport in France: https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/France-debates-new-bill-on-controversial-vaccination-health-passports

    CommonPass, courtesy of, you guessed it, the World Economic Forum: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/technology/coronavirus-vaccine-apps.html

    Covi Pass: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-potential-abuses-of-a-coronavirus-health-passport-are-downright-frightening-2020-08-03

    World's first health passport for travel: https://www.moodiedavittreport.com/worlds-first-secure-technology-health-passport-for-air-travel-launched/

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are numerous other health passports being developed all over the world. But we were told that health passports were just a silly conspiracy theory. Another 'conspiracy theory' comes to pass.


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    #402
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Quiner wrote: »
    They're starting to reveal themselves bit by bit:

    https://twitter.com/Wordofbeak/status/1340747848745414661

    Dr Sanjay Gupta: "Do we have enough infrastructure to contact trace the way that we need to?"

    Dr Birx: "I think that's why the criteria that you can see the Gates" ("corrects" herself) "that the federal government has recommended ..."

    I guess that was just a slip of the tongue. Am I right?

    Oh, and the same Dr Birx was caught breaking her own "essential" rules the other day, just like Newsom, Sturgeon, Varadkar, Cummings, and numerous others.

    And then there are all the health passports and freedom passes that are either in the pipeline or being rolled out:

    Freedom passes in the UK: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-27/freedom-passes-show-how-a-city-s-trial-could-unlock-the-u-k

    Freedom passes in Switzerland: https://www.thelocal.ch/20201203/freedom-pass-will-switzerland-introduce-a-british-style-coronavirus-immunity-card

    Health Passport Ireland, under the new name 'Health Passport Europe', which suggests it will be rolled out all across Europe, is being rolled out across the world: https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-releases/irish-technology-deployed-in-south-africa-as-part-of-international-music-events-re-opening-860019579.html

    Health Passport Ireland promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM

    Health passport in France: https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/France-debates-new-bill-on-controversial-vaccination-health-passports

    CommonPass, courtesy of, you guessed it, the World Economic Forum: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/technology/coronavirus-vaccine-apps.html

    Covi Pass: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-potential-abuses-of-a-coronavirus-health-passport-are-downright-frightening-2020-08-03

    World's first health passport for travel: https://www.moodiedavittreport.com/worlds-first-secure-technology-health-passport-for-air-travel-launched/

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are numerous other health passports being developed all over the world. But we were told that health passports were just a silly conspiracy theory. Another 'conspiracy theory' comes to pass.

    You were told we already have vaccination requirements and having one for covid19 wouldn't be a surprise.

    The only conspiracy theory is the one you refuse to talk about - Tanzania.


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    #403
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    They're starting to reveal themselves bit by bit:

    https://twitter.com/Wordofbeak/status/1340747848745414661

    Dr Sanjay Gupta: "Do we have enough infrastructure to contact trace the way that we need to?"

    Dr Birx: "I think that's why the criteria that you can see the Gates" ("corrects" herself) "that the federal government has recommended ..."

    I guess that was just a slip of the tongue. Am I right?

    Oh, and the same Dr Birx was caught breaking her own "essential" rules the other day, just like Newsom, Sturgeon, Varadkar, Cummings, and numerous others.

    And then there are all the health passports and freedom passes that are either in the pipeline or being rolled out:

    Freedom passes in the UK: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-27/freedom-passes-show-how-a-city-s-trial-could-unlock-the-u-k

    Freedom passes in Switzerland: https://www.thelocal.ch/20201203/freedom-pass-will-switzerland-introduce-a-british-style-coronavirus-immunity-card

    Health Passport Ireland, under the new name 'Health Passport Europe', which suggests it will be rolled out all across Europe, is being rolled out across the world: https://www.prnewswire.com/in/news-releases/irish-technology-deployed-in-south-africa-as-part-of-international-music-events-re-opening-860019579.html

    Health Passport Ireland promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM

    Health passport in France: https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/France-debates-new-bill-on-controversial-vaccination-health-passports

    CommonPass, courtesy of, you guessed it, the World Economic Forum: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/technology/coronavirus-vaccine-apps.html

    Covi Pass: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-potential-abuses-of-a-coronavirus-health-passport-are-downright-frightening-2020-08-03

    World's first health passport for travel: https://www.moodiedavittreport.com/worlds-first-secure-technology-health-passport-for-air-travel-launched/

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are numerous other health passports being developed all over the world. But we were told that health passports were just a silly conspiracy theory. Another 'conspiracy theory' comes to pass.

    You weren't told health passports were a silly conspiracy theory. They already exist and there are proposals for many different types in different forms.

    For example, you can't fly to the Netherlands without a negative Covid test. That's a measure to stop the spread of Covid. It's a) common sense and b) not permanent

    Paranoid conspiracy theorists and Covid-deniers don't understand or don't want to understand any of that, they presume it's all part of some nefarious plan to "control" us by the NWO/Jews/US/UN/Communists/Fascists, likewise they view health passports, masks, track and trace, etc in the same deluded way.


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    #404
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    You were told we already have vaccination requirements and having one for covid19 wouldn't be a surprise.

    The only conspiracy theory is the one you refuse to talk about - Tanzania.

    As I have pointed out over and over again, it's not just for travel that the inventors of Health Passport Ireland envisage their health passport being used. In the promo video, it lists the places Health Passport Ireland could be used for. Everywhere. So I don't know why people insist that it's for international travel only. I have no problem with a vaccine for travel, but that isn't what is being proposed. In France, for example, the health passport would include public transport and restaurants. I'm not going over this again. So no problem with a vaccine for international travel, major problem with a health passport or a freedom pass for public transport, restaurants, concerts etc.

    To put Tanzania to bed, I made an observation about how Tanzania had decided to resume living normally. I agreed that it was the wrong thing to do, and that it is quite clearly a government coverup. I do not believe the West should copy Tanzania. I simply compared Tanzania with the West. In the West we're looking at being locked down forever (no one can really say with any certainty that lockdowns won't continue indefinitely). And I'm not saying we'll be locked down forever. I'm saying it's a possibility. It's also a possibility that life will be back to normal next year, but Hancock mentioned 2022 the other day for 'some semblance of normality'. I think Tanzania is wrong to ignore covid.


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    #405
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    As I have pointed out over and over again, it's not just for travel that the inventors of Health Passport Ireland envisage their health passport being used. In the promo video, it lists the places Health Passport Ireland could be used for. Everywhere. So I don't know why people insist that it's for international travel only. I have no problem with a vaccine for travel, but that isn't what is being proposed. In France, for example, the health passport would include public transport and restaurants. I'm not going over this again. So no problem with a vaccine for international travel, major problem with a health passport or a freedom pass for public transport, restaurants, concerts etc.

    All your points are based on your personal belief that all that Covid is all part of a giant conspiracy and ruse.

    If e.g. there is a proposal in France to use some app to get on public transport it has zero to do with your bizarre beliefs and everything to do with tackling the current pandemic, nothing else.


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    #406
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You weren't told health passports were a silly conspiracy theory. They already exist and there are proposals for many different types in different forms.

    For example, you can't fly to the Netherlands without a negative Covid test. That's a measure to stop the spread of Covid. It's a) common sense and b) not permanent

    Paranoid conspiracy theorists and Covid-deniers don't understand or don't want to understand any of that, they presume it's all part of some nefarious plan to "control" us by the NWO/Jews/US/UN/Communists/Fascists, likewise they view health passports, masks, track and trace, etc in the same deluded way.

    I never said I was told. I said people were told health passports was a conspiracy theory. And that's true. Earlier on this year it was described as a 'conspiracy theory'.

    Why did Dr Birx say 'the Gates' in that clip before quickly saying 'the federal government'?

    In France they're set to debate health passports for public transport, restaurants, travel etc. So it's not just for travel. And freedom passes are on the way in the UK. If people want to live in a society of health passports and freedom passes, then that's okay. It doesn't look as though we'll have a choice.


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    #407
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    I never said I was told. I said people were told health passports was a conspiracy theory. And that's true. Earlier on this year it was described as a 'conspiracy theory'.

    No it wasn't. They already existed before this year.

    The conspiracy interpretation of health passports is what's wrong.


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    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    All your points are based on your personal belief that all that Covid is all part of a giant conspiracy and ruse.

    If e.g. there is a proposal in France to use some app to get on public transport it has zero to do with your bizarre beliefs and everything to do with tackling the current pandemic, nothing else.

    Well the proposal to pass it into law, which means it would be permanent.


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    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    No it wasn't. They already existed before this year.

    The conspiracy interpretation of health passports is what's wrong.

    A health passport similar to Health Passport Ireland, with its green, orange and red lights, and whose creators envisage it being used for restaurants, concerts, public transport, hospitals, hospitality etc, already existed before this year?


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    #410
    one world order
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    Quiner wrote: »
    A health passport similar to Health Passport Ireland, with its green, orange and red lights, and whose creators envisage it being used for restaurants, concerts, public transport, hospitals, hospitality etc, already existed before this year?

    The book of revelation coming true right before us


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    #411
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    one world order wrote: »
    The book of revelation coming true right before us

    >>>>>>>> https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=333


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    #412
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Quiner wrote: »
    A health passport similar to Health Passport Ireland, with its green, orange and red lights, and whose creators envisage it being used for restaurants, concerts, public transport, hospitals, hospitality etc, already existed before this year?
    Hi, now you're back, could you please address the previous point I put to you?

    Or if not, could you explain why you are running away from it and pretending it didn't exist?


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    #413
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    Well the proposal to pass it into law, which means it would be permanent.


    Reality: Health passports already exist. There are many different proposed apps that would work by indicating if someone has had vaccine/tested negative for Covid so that e.g. we could safely pack out a flight or a restaurant. These are potential solutions to deal with the pandemic (and nothing else), some may be adopted or not.

    Conspiracy theory: Health passports are part of some vague sinister plan to "control" us by the Jews/NWO/UN/Communists/Facists/Elites. You openly admit to believing this, which is why you keep trying to fearmonger about any of these health passports or apps.


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    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    one world order wrote: »
    The book of revelation coming true right before us

    You're right.


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    #415
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    You're right.

    Not possible to debate rationally with someone who has irrational beliefs. As demonstrated by every one of these threads.


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    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Reality: Health passports already exist. There are many different proposed apps that would work by indicating if someone has had vaccine/tested negative for Covid so that e.g. we could safely pack out a flight or a restaurant. These are potential solutions to deal with the pandemic (and nothing else), some may be adopted or not.

    Conspiracy theory: Health passports are part of some vague sinister plan to "control" us by the Jews/NWO/UN/Communists/Facists/Elites. You openly admit to believing this, which is why you keep trying to fearmonger about any of these health passports or apps.

    If it's just to deal with the pandemic then why is France set to debate passing it into law so that it would be permanent?

    I am quoting from the Health Passport Ireland promo video, which I linked to and which can easily be found on YouTube. The narrator lists all the places Health Passport Ireland could be used for. I didn't mention anything about the NWO. What exactly is the conspiracy theory? I'm simply quoting the narrator.


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    #417
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    If it's just to deal with the pandemic then why is France set to debate passing it into law so that it would be permanent?

    Not permanent. Certain pandemic measures are laws in certain countries so that law enforcement can enforce them legally.
    I am quoting from the Health Passport Ireland promo video, which I linked to and which can easily be found on YouTube. The narrator lists all the places Health Passport Ireland could be used for. I didn't mention anything about the NWO. What exactly is the conspiracy theory? I'm simply quoting the narrator.

    The dishonesty is absolutely staggering

    According to you, governments around the world are wilfully and deliberately destroying their own economies because they are being "told to" by an entity. You literally just agreed with someone who said this was part of a biblical prophecy.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115688811&postcount=871


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    #418
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Quiner wrote: »
    As I have pointed out over and over again, it's not just for travel that the inventors of Health Passport Ireland envisage their health passport being used. In the promo video, it lists the places Health Passport Ireland could be used for. Everywhere. So I don't know why people insist that it's for international travel only. I have no problem with a vaccine for travel, but that isn't what is being proposed. In France, for example, the health passport would include public transport and restaurants. I'm not going over this again. So no problem with a vaccine for international travel, major problem with a health passport or a freedom pass for public transport, restaurants, concerts etc.

    To put Tanzania to bed, I made an observation about how Tanzania had decided to resume living normally. I agreed that it was the wrong thing to do, and that it is quite clearly a government coverup. I do not believe the West should copy Tanzania. I simply compared Tanzania with the West. In the West we're looking at being locked down forever (no one can really say with any certainty that lockdowns won't continue indefinitely). And I'm not saying we'll be locked down forever. I'm saying it's a possibility. It's also a possibility that life will be back to normal next year, but Hancock mentioned 2022 the other day for 'some semblance of normality'. I think Tanzania is wrong to ignore covid.

    You pointed to Tanzania as a country that was 'back to normal' as if we should be following them. When you were caught out with the truth, that Tanzania is not back to normal and we should not follow them, you agreed and backtracked. This isn't the first time this happens. You either lack the courage of your convications, do not do any research whatsoever, or are just lying. Given that you have lied several times in multiple threads what conclusion do you expect us to draw?

    Again, we already have vaccination requirements for things other than travel. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant.


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    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Not permanent. Certain pandemic measures are laws in certain countries so that law enforcement can enforce them legally.



    The dishonesty is absolutely staggering

    According to you, governments around the world are wilfully and deliberately destroying their own economies because they are being "told to" by an entity. You literally just agreed with someone who said this was part of a biblical prophecy.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115688811&postcount=871

    The complete lack of concern for the economy suggests that is the case.

    Is it true that the narrator of the Health Passport Ireland promo video lists numerous places for which the app could be used?

    The poster said the prophecy was coming to pass. We are potentially looking at a scenario whereby only people whose Health Passport Ireland app flashes green will be able to do all of the things mentioned in the promo video. Isn't that exactly the same as the Mark of the Beast? What's the difference? No app,? Then you can't buy or sell, i.e. do anything.


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    #420
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,285 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Quiner wrote: »
    The complete lack of concern for the economy suggests that is the case.

    Is it true that the narrator of the Health Passport Ireland promo video lists numerous places for which the app could be used?

    The poster said the prophecy was coming to pass. We are potentially looking at a scenario whereby only people whose Health Passport Ireland app flashes green will be able to do all of the things mentioned in the promo video. Isn't that exactly the same as the Mark of the Beast? What's the difference? No app,? Then you can't buy or sell, i.e. do anything.

    it is not in any way the same as the mark of the beast. the mark of the beast is an actual mark that will be placed on the forehead or hand.


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    #421
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    it is not in any way the same as the mark of the beast. the mark of the beast is an actual mark that will be placed on the forehead or hand.

    But the mark would be either the vaccine, or the Health Passport Ireland app. It doesn't literally have to be an actual mark on the forehead or the hand.

    Would not being able to do anything unless vaccinated or unless the green light flashes on the Health Passport Ireland app not be the same as not being to buy or sell, i.e. do anything, unless marked?


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