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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #8162
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    We are talking about a specific funeral that apparently had 2/300+ people at it

    The cousins I presume. I think they tried to have a gathering last weekend in cork that had to be broken up as well.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #8163
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A virus doesn't care about likely. If Person A shakes hands with Person B (bereaved), and spreads the virus, then Person B shakes 100, 200 other peoples hands it'll spread like wildfire in an allegedly packed church.

    I'm aware. So no need to waste your time explaining it. The fact you are choosing not to answer it would indicate to me that most likely you think it's actually the pub were it probably transmitted because, lets be honest, it sort of makes sense given alcohol being involved and the higher likelihood of interaction.

    It will be impossible to ever know, but educated guesses are the best anybody can do in those situations. I'm sure the pub has CCTV? So I'm sure if they were all following procedure the pub will just release the CCTV and there will be no issues?


  • #8164
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    Pedantic.

    Hardly pedantic, a theatre license is €500 a year. You could probably spin a profit out of that after 2/3 nights and not give a b*llix about losing it.


  • #8165
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Few days notice again for the pubs. Lots of stock going to waste again. Poor publicans/restaurants.


  • #8166
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    I'm aware. So no need to waste your time explaining it. The fact you are choosing not to answer it would indicate to me that most likely you think it's actually the pub were it probably transmitted because, lets be honest, it sort of makes sense given alcohol being involved and the higher likelihood of interaction.

    It will be impossible to ever know, but educated guesses are the best anybody can do in those situations. I'm sure the pub has CCTV? So I'm sure if they were all following procedure the pub will just release the CCTV and there will be no issues?

    Will it be some special CCTV that'll show who already has the virus? :rolleyes:


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  • #8167
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Will it be some special CCTV that'll show who already has the virus? :rolleyes:

    Nope but this is about evidence of pubs following procedures so it's kind of irrelevant really isn't it?

    The pub has a video recording system in place to prove they followed the guidelines as best they could. So surely releasing it will only benefit them? Unless of course, that wasn't the case at all. Then they probably shouldn't release it.


  • #8168
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    Few days notice again for the pubs. Lots of stock going to waste again. Poor publicans/restaurants.

    Well if they had made an attempt to obey the rules they might not be closed so fast

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #8169
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Tough times for pubs and restaurants, but I'm glad to see a more realistic tone from the industry bodies today. Pubs have been lead up the garden path with talks of reopening, and now another panicked (and obvious) shutdown well before the official date.

    They're calling for increased financial support and talking about vaccines. I've seen ridiculous comments that the new restrictions might last 3 weeks. Of course it's not going to be 3 weeks, it could be 3 months.

    Let's pay the pubs and restaurants to stay closed - none of this is their fault. Help restaurants to do delivery/outdoor dining if they want. All the efforts now have to go into getting the vaccines rolled out because we have no other way to control the virus from spreading without restricting the economy.


  • #8170
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    Nope but this is about evidence of pubs following procedures so it's kind of irrelevant really isn't it?

    The pub has a video recording system in place to prove they followed the guidelines as best they could. So surely releasing it will only benefit them? Unless of course, that wasn't the case at all. Then they probably shouldn't release it.

    No, we are literally talking about ONE specific case.


  • #8171
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The absolute state of people here trying to defend pubs staying open, you are absolutely pathetic and that's coming from someone who worked in one for 10 years on and off.

    Of course I feel bad for the staff but I have also felt bad for them throughout all of this, I felt bad for the ones who have to be near absolute morons over the last few weeks who can't follow simple instruction and sit at a table, wear a mask to the toilet.

    It's people like John(weldoninhio above) who are to blame for this, people who just constantly want to go against the government guidelines on this, the ones who think they are clever by booking tables in multiple bars to have a long night out. Well this is what it has gotten you.

    People like you love to make speculative statements framed as facts. For people who claim to love science, you're not very scientific.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • #8172
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    Well if they had made an attempt to obey the rules they might not be closed so fast

    Ah cool, my local obeyed every rule, that's great news that they can remain open.


  • #8173
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    Well if they had made an attempt to obey the rules they might not be closed so fast

    Here we go again...


  • #8174
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    No, we are literally talking about ONE specific case.

    Ah but now you're changing it. The question asked was provide evidence. And now it's oh but it's only ONE. Yes one, one that got caught.

    You think every single pub are following procedures? Of course not, I know this because I've been in them. Are the majority of pubs following procedures? Probably


  • #8175
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    Ah but now you're changing it. The question asked was provide evidence. And now it's oh but it's only ONE. Yes one, one that got caught.

    You think every single pub are following procedures? Of course not, I know this because I've been in them. Are the majority of pubs following procedures? Probably

    You think more than one pub opened with a marquee to allow 2-300 people come from a funeral to them?? I'm changing nothing, I've been talking about the same case throughout. Hence the examples I gave of 300 people in church, the people hugging/shaking hands in the church/graveyard.


  • #8176
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    You think more than one pub opened with a marquee to allow 2-300 people come from a funeral to them??.

    No probably not, but at a high level they failed to follow procedures the volume of which they did it in is what got them caught.

    You think this was the only pub that failed to follow the procedures?


  • #8177
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    No probably not, but at a high level they failed to follow procedures the volume of which they did it in is what got them caught.

    You think this was the only pub that failed to follow the procedures?

    Probably not, do you think everyone follows the speed laws? Should be ban driving if over 10 people are caught speeding??


  • #8178
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Probably not, do you think everyone follows the speed laws? Should be ban driving if over 10 people are caught speeding??

    You'd have to take that to the speeding covid thread mate. I'm just here to discuss pubs I don't want to drag the thread off topic.


  • #8179
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    You'd have to take that to the speeding covid thread mate. I'm just here to discuss pubs I don't want to drag the thread off topic.

    We are discussing pubs, it's an analogy. Should the many be punished, because the few aren't following the rules?? Is that a society you would like to live in??


  • #8180
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,480 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Can't see a huge amount of places opening Christmas eve . Today and tomorrow will be like the Last days of Rome in terms of getting that pint

    Decisions are such a joke for not just the hospitality industry many others too


  • #8181
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Ah cool, my local obeyed every rule, that's great news that they can remain open.

    Well my local never got a chance to open it's a wet pub. This was the situation right across rural Ireland. The gastro pubs again got there chance to open. Again a substantial minority F@@ked it up for all the rest. That life, that's living with COVID it not fair it's just reality.

    During the last opening in September I got out for a pint twice. Both times within regulations 3-4 pints in two hours. I used to go to the pub twice a week. Now I cannot go at all. Pre my local opening I got out 3-4 times during the summer to gastro pubs. The ones I went to followed the rules. But my children were in ones that definately did not.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • #8182
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    We are discussing pubs, it's an analogy. Should the many be punished, because the few aren't following the rules?? Is that a society you would like to live in??

    That grand but pubs in general refused to abide by the rules. The problem is if we let COVID put of conyrol we are looking at a shot load of people dying. More than get killed in car crashes in 10+ years in a few months.


    You just have to look at the figures in the US, UK and our beloved friends in NI

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #8183
    YellowLead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,026 ✭✭✭YellowLead


    Can pubs and restaurants still do take away or is it and out and out close?


  • #8184
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,504 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Have you seen the likes of Penneys etc?? People all over each other. I haven't seen people that close in a gastropub without being warned/asked to leave.




    Plenty of pubs without social distancing. But even in Penneys you push in for the €1 Christmas knickers and then you go and pay. You were only close to someone else for a couple of minutes, people are staying pubs for 4-5 hours.
    YellowLead wrote: »
    Can pubs and restaurants still do take away or is it and out and out close?

    They can still do takeaways.


  • #8185
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    That grand but pubs in general refused to abide by the rules. The problem is if we let COVID put of conyrol we are looking at a shot load of people dying. More than get killed in car crashes in 10+ years in a few months.


    You just have to look at the figures in the US, UK and our beloved friends in NI

    If "pubs in general" refused to "abide by the rules", why weren't the Gardai shutting them down, as they got the legal power to do a few months ago?? The more they shut, the less they have to patrol.


  • #8186
    Poorside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    That grand but pubs in general refused to abide by the rules.


    Well that's absolute bull.


  • #8187
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Plenty of pubs without social distancing. But even in Penneys you push in for the €1 Christmas knickers and then you go and pay. You were only close to someone else for a couple of minutes, people are staying pubs for 4-5 hours.



    They can still do takeaways.


    If Penny's and 1 euro knickers were the main transmission issue we see the transmission figures in a certain subset.

    If funerals in churches or church gatherings were the issue we see it in a different subset of the population.

    Government and NPHET are able to look at these subsets and figure it out.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #8188
    Poorside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    If Penny's and 1 euro knickers were the main transmission issue we see the transmission figures in a certain subset.

    If funerals in churches or church gatherings were the issue we see it in a different subset of the population.

    Government and NPHET are able to look at these subsets and figure it out.

    What Subset exactly are they looking at? And please elaborate on the others.


  • #8189
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    If "pubs in general" refused to "abide by the rules", why weren't the Gardai shutting them down, as they got the legal power to do a few months ago?? The more they shut, the less they have to patrol.

    They weren't given the powers

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #8190
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    hmmm wrote: »
    Tough times for pubs and restaurants, but I'm glad to see a more realistic tone from the industry bodies today. Pubs have been lead up the garden path with talks of reopening, and now another panicked (and obvious) shutdown well before the official date.

    They're calling for increased financial support and talking about vaccines. I've seen ridiculous comments that the new restrictions might last 3 weeks. Of course it's not going to be 3 weeks, it could be 3 months.

    Let's pay the pubs and restaurants to stay closed - none of this is their fault. Help restaurants to do delivery/outdoor dining if they want. All the efforts now have to go into getting the vaccines rolled out because we have no other way to control the virus from spreading without restricting the economy.

    Are most medium sized pubs not doing ok been closed. Pub i know the husband and the wife are both getting 350 every week and have got a number of different grants as well, he tells me hes better off with the pub closed. Its in a rural town??


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  • #8191
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Plenty of pubs without social distancing. But even in Penneys you push in for the €1 Christmas knickers and then you go and pay. You were only close to someone else for a couple of minutes, people are staying pubs for 4-5 hours.



    They can still do takeaways.

    Have you a girlfriend?? They do not go into Penneys for a couple of minutes.


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