MOH wrote: » I've been limiting my contacts over the last couple of weeks so I could safely meet someone for dinner Christmas Eve at 6. That's my Christmas screwed. I'm not getting over it. I am so sick to death of all the lies at this point that I took 5 minutes to scrawl on this in response to a shocking bit of misleading data manipulation in the main thread. Obviously the hospitality bit doesn't include non-food pubs but since people seem to be lumping them all in together at this stage: (Source, which in turn is sourced from HSE data. Green and red annotations mine) It's definitely all hospitality and nothing to do with schools. And everything was definitely going up until level 5 saved us all.
Bass Reeves wrote: » They weren't given the powers
Charles Babbage wrote: » Across the world there is plenty of evidence of transmission in pubs and restaurants.. But public health is concerned with aggregates, if an action reduces disease then you do that action, you do not futter around looking for "evidence" while people are dying.
Allinall wrote: » Majority of pubs close about 6 or 7 on Christmas eve anyway. It's only a few hours earlier. Get over it.
hynesie08 wrote: » Yes.https://mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1341347326003179520
Sofa King Great wrote: » Somehow it is easier to think that there is a worldwide conspiracy against pubs than to think that they are contributing to the spread of covid
Dub81 wrote: » Again im asking you and others to provide evidence and not just offer up "opinions" and "what ifs" This is the thing with the anti pub birgade, they are all opinions and what ifs but are unable to provide any sort of evidence, so i just cant take people like this seriously.
Poorside wrote: » What Subset exactly are they looking at? And please elaborate on the others.
bladespin wrote: » That's very circumstantial tbh, we can assume such but there's no evidence to prove it, you'd hope that there's be some seriously heavyweight evdience behind shutting a business down, a little more than that anyway.
Charles Babbage wrote: » Plenty of pubs without social distancing. But even in Penneys you push in for the €1 Christmas knickers and then you go and pay. You were only close to someone else for a couple of minutes, people are staying pubs for 4-5 hours. They can still do takeaways.
hmmm wrote: » Tough times for pubs and restaurants, but I'm glad to see a more realistic tone from the industry bodies today. Pubs have been lead up the garden path with talks of reopening, and now another panicked (and obvious) shutdown well before the official date. They're calling for increased financial support and talking about vaccines. I've seen ridiculous comments that the new restrictions might last 3 weeks. Of course it's not going to be 3 weeks, it could be 3 months. Let's pay the pubs and restaurants to stay closed - none of this is their fault. Help restaurants to do delivery/outdoor dining if they want. All the efforts now have to go into getting the vaccines rolled out because we have no other way to control the virus from spreading without restricting the economy.
weldoninhio wrote: » If "pubs in general" refused to "abide by the rules", why weren't the Gardai shutting them down, as they got the legal power to do a few months ago?? The more they shut, the less they have to patrol.
Bass Reeves wrote: » If Penny's and 1 euro knickers were the main transmission issue we see the transmission figures in a certain subset. If funerals in churches or church gatherings were the issue we see it in a different subset of the population. Government and NPHET are able to look at these subsets and figure it out.
Bass Reeves wrote: » That grand but pubs in general refused to abide by the rules.
Bass Reeves wrote: » That grand but pubs in general refused to abide by the rules. The problem is if we let COVID put of conyrol we are looking at a shot load of people dying. More than get killed in car crashes in 10+ years in a few months. You just have to look at the figures in the US, UK and our beloved friends in NI
weldoninhio wrote: » Have you seen the likes of Penneys etc?? People all over each other. I haven't seen people that close in a gastropub without being warned/asked to leave.
YellowLead wrote: » Can pubs and restaurants still do take away or is it and out and out close?
weldoninhio wrote: » We are discussing pubs, it's an analogy. Should the many be punished, because the few aren't following the rules?? Is that a society you would like to live in??
weldoninhio wrote: » Ah cool, my local obeyed every rule, that's great news that they can remain open.
Shanotheslayer wrote: » You'd have to take that to the speeding covid thread mate. I'm just here to discuss pubs I don't want to drag the thread off topic.
weldoninhio wrote: » Probably not, do you think everyone follows the speed laws? Should be ban driving if over 10 people are caught speeding??
Shanotheslayer wrote: » No probably not, but at a high level they failed to follow procedures the volume of which they did it in is what got them caught. You think this was the only pub that failed to follow the procedures?
weldoninhio wrote: » You think more than one pub opened with a marquee to allow 2-300 people come from a funeral to them??.
Shanotheslayer wrote: » Ah but now you're changing it. The question asked was provide evidence. And now it's oh but it's only ONE. Yes one, one that got caught. You think every single pub are following procedures? Of course not, I know this because I've been in them. Are the majority of pubs following procedures? Probably
weldoninhio wrote: » No, we are literally talking about ONE specific case.
Bass Reeves wrote: » Well if they had made an attempt to obey the rules they might not be closed so fast
RocketRaccoon wrote: » The absolute state of people here trying to defend pubs staying open, you are absolutely pathetic and that's coming from someone who worked in one for 10 years on and off. Of course I feel bad for the staff but I have also felt bad for them throughout all of this, I felt bad for the ones who have to be near absolute morons over the last few weeks who can't follow simple instruction and sit at a table, wear a mask to the toilet. It's people like John(weldoninhio above) who are to blame for this, people who just constantly want to go against the government guidelines on this, the ones who think they are clever by booking tables in multiple bars to have a long night out. Well this is what it has gotten you.
Shanotheslayer wrote: » Nope but this is about evidence of pubs following procedures so it's kind of irrelevant really isn't it? The pub has a video recording system in place to prove they followed the guidelines as best they could. So surely releasing it will only benefit them? Unless of course, that wasn't the case at all. Then they probably shouldn't release it.
