Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

Risteard81 · 21-12-2020 11:09AM

Dohvolle wrote: »

No, you missed the joke. Big time.

No. You just proved that you know nothing about the subject at hand.

Kramer · 21-12-2020 04:09PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

as blue actually is live, along with other colours. It's you who this has gone over the head of.

Blue is live now?
I thought it was neutral?

Up is down, black is white.............what a time to be alive

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Kids, electricity is dangerous. Don't mess with it unless you are a highly trained & qualified electrician.

Kramer · 21-12-2020 06:37PM

Dohvolle wrote: »

Did I mention I'm also colourblind?

Simple test to confirm..........

What number do you see?

color-blind-red-green-330x330.png?fm=jpg&q=80

the_amazing_raisin · 21-12-2020 07:41PM

Kramer wrote: »

Blue is live now?
I thought it was neutral?

Up is down, black is white.............what a time to be alive .

Kids, electricity is dangerous. Don't mess with it unless you are a highly trained & qualified electrician.

I'm fairly sure that excludes most RECI electricians from performing electrical works :P

Risteard81 · 21-12-2020 11:59PM

Kramer wrote: »

Blue is live now?
I thought it was neutral?

Neutral IS A LIVE CONDUCTOR.

You are mixing up the terms phase conductor (or line conductor) and live conductor. They are not the same thing. You need to look up the definitions.

"Live conductor:

"Conductor or conductive part intended to be energised in normal use, including a neutral conductor, but by convention not a PEN conductor or PEM conductor or PEL conductor."

Source: I.S. 10101:2020

I did warn you not to get involved in a debate which you cannot win. I have qualifications in the Design of electrical installations. I know the ETCI/NSAI Rules (and IET Regulations) like the back of my hand.

Gumbo · 22-12-2020 12:53AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Neutral IS A LIVE CONDUCTOR.

You are mixing up the terms phase conductor (or line conductor) and live conductor. They are not the same thing. You need to look up the definitions.

"Live conductor:

"Conductor or conductive part intended to be energised in normal use, including a neutral conductor, but by convention not a PEN conductor or PEM conductor or PEL conductor."

Source: I.S. 10101:2020

I did warn you not to get involved in a debate which you cannot win. I have qualifications in the Design of electrical installations. I know the ETCI/NSAI Rules (and IET Regulations) like the back of my hand.

And again, common sense and sarcasm are lost on you.
If you can’t see the joke and the trolling of your posts in the above posts then best to get your head out of the books and have a read of reality and when you know them like the back of your hand then come back for a bit of banter.

Anyway, I’m off to swap out my third EV charger now. Same as an outdoor socket. Simple.

Risteard81 · 22-12-2020 12:54AM

Gumbo wrote: »

Anyway, I’m off to swap out my third EV charger now. Same as an outdoor socket. Simple.

Enjoy your stay in Portlaoise.

Gumbo · 22-12-2020 01:14AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Enjoy your stay in Portlaoise.

Won’t be there long. I’ll have it swapped out in 20 mins.
Have to get back home before inter county travel is banned again.

Some bright spark decided a new wave of lock down is required.

Gumbo · 22-12-2020 01:43PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

No good Electrician will discount you for running a cable (which you shouldn't have run). These are Restricted Electrical Works.

To further expand on this, electricians will need to get used to the cable run being in place. The new Part L Building Regulations will require the provisions to be put in for future EV charging and to enable the fitting of a EC charge point.

This to me means builders will be allowing space on the consumer unit and running the cable for future connection.

the_amazing_raisin · 22-12-2020 04:45PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Won’t be there long. I’ll have it swapped out in 20 mins.
Have to get back home before inter county travel is banned again.

Some bright spark decided a new wave of lock down is required.

Want to help me attach some solar panels to my roof and wire them to an inverter and a diy lithium battery while you're at it

Gumbo · 22-12-2020 05:13PM

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Want to help me attach some solar panels to my roof and wire them to an inverter and a diy lithium battery while you're at it

Dohvolle wrote: »

I have some spare coax I found lying around if you want to help you wire it up.

Thanks. I've spare external extension cord i bought in Woodies for the Xmas lights that should o the trick. Its IP rated.

the_amazing_raisin · 22-12-2020 06:40PM

Dohvolle wrote: »

I have some spare coax I found lying around if you want to help you wire it up.

Cool, I was going to wire the output of the inverter to a socket, that should work right?

Also, the green and yellow wire is optional right, I don't need to connect it to anything, do I? :P

the_amazing_raisin · 22-12-2020 06:42PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Thanks. I've spare external extension cord i bought in Woodies for the Xmas lights that should o the trick. Its IP rated.

Sure that'll do to wire your EV charger onto, what could go wrong?

Felexicon · 22-12-2020 08:19PM

Gumbo wrote: »

To further expand on this, electricians will need to get used to the cable run being in place. The new Part L Building Regulations will require the provisions to be put in for future EV charging and to enable the fitting of a EC charge point.

This to me means builders will be allowing space on the consumer unit and running the cable for future connection.

This is already fairly common in most new builds.
I've installed plenty of charge points on them.
Can't see why anyone would have an issue with that.

Risteard81 · 22-12-2020 08:28PM

Gumbo wrote: »

This to me means builders will be allowing space on the consumer unit and running the cable for future connection.

Builders most certainly shall not be. The law is incredibly clear that anyone other than a Registered Electrical Contractor (REC) would be committing a criminal act.

Gumbo · 22-12-2020 09:36PM

Felexicon wrote: »

This is already fairly common in most new builds.
I've installed plenty of charge points on them.
Can't see why anyone would have an issue with that.

I know at least one poster that would have a problem with it

I had to beg builders to put them in over the years and explain the small cost now would save so much hassle for the future owners not having to pull cable through their new house.

New apartments now have the ducting in place which is a step in the right direction.

Risteard81 wrote: »

Builders most certainly shall not be. The law is incredibly clear that anyone other than a Registered Electrical Contractor (REC) would be committing a criminal act.

Agh FFS, just cop on will you. Your just trolling now.
These are new builds built by contractors to the most up to date standard so I’m pretty certain they will be done correct an nobody will be committing a criminal act.

KCross · 22-12-2020 09:57PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Builders most certainly shall not be. The law is incredibly clear that anyone other than a Registered Electrical Contractor (REC) would be committing a criminal act.

hint... The block layer isnt running the cable!

Kramer · 22-12-2020 11:43PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Anyway, I’m off to swap out my third EV charger now. Same as an outdoor socket. Simple.

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Kramer · 23-12-2020 12:00AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Neutral IS A LIVE CONDUCTOR.
I did warn you not to get involved in a debate which you cannot win. I have qualifications in the Design of electrical installations. I know the ETCI/NSAI Rules (and IET Regulations) like the back of my hand.

I wish you'd warned me in fairness

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I did once know a masterdebater - he went on to be an electricity fitter too.

Dohvolle wrote: »

I have some old speaker cable you could use for that.

Oh come on. That's entirely unsuitable :rolleyes:.
No, bell wire is what you want. Single strand solid core. Just double insulate it & use a 64 amplifer IP rated ELCB RCD glass fuse (12v - halfords have them, they're green).

Risteard81 wrote: »

Builders most certainly shall not be. The law is incredibly clear that anyone other than a Registered Electrical Contractor (REC) would be committing a criminal act.

Risteard81 wrote: »

Enjoy your stay in Portlaoise.

23-12-2020 10:25AM

You can limit the current draw on a zappi to what ever you like.

Personally mine is wired in cat 5 and the current is limited to 100milliamps

liamog · 23-12-2020 11:32AM

Mod Note: Ok guys, stop winding up the electrician! Risteard81, this is a consumer level thread if you want to debate regulations/requirements do it in the Electrical forum, if you feel a post may be in breach of protected works report it rather than quote regulations

Gael23 · 25-12-2020 11:47AM

This may have been asked before but can you get a home charger more than 7kw if your car can take that

KCross · 25-12-2020 01:25PM

Gael23 wrote: »

This may have been asked before but can you get a home charger more than 7kw if your car can take that

Only if you have 3 phase power. Then you have the option of 11kW charging (if the car supports it).

Some can go higher again but rare. 3ph 11kW will become very common in EVs but getting that installed at home is not trivial.

Gael23 · 25-12-2020 02:22PM

KCross wrote: »

Only if you have 3 phase power. Then you have the option of 11kW charging (if the car supports it).

Some can go higher again but rare. 3ph 11kW will become very common in EVs but getting that installed at home is not trivial.

Unless I’m mistaken which is possible, the new Nissan Ariya will take 22kw

Risteard81 · 25-12-2020 02:54PM

KCross wrote: »

Only if you have 3 phase power. Then you have the option of 11kW charging (if the car supports it).

Some can go higher again but rare. 3ph 11kW will become very common in EVs but getting that installed at home is not trivial.

A 22kW EVSE is common for three-phase installations.

KCross · 25-12-2020 03:11PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

A 22kW EVSE is common for three-phase installations.

I know. The question was for a home installation though.

3ph is rare in this country for domestic installs.

KCross · 25-12-2020 03:14PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Unless I’m mistaken which is possible, the new Nissan Ariya will take 22kw

Thats possible, I havent look at its sepc. The Zoe can also take 22kW and some Tesla's too but in all cases you would need 3 phase to be able to charge at those rates and crucially also have a 29kVA connection to support it.... single phase 12kVA is a standard domestic connection..... moving up to 3 phase 29kVA is not trivial for a domestic scenario.

Gumbo · 25-12-2020 08:19PM

The bmw wallbox supports 3 phase 22kw charging I sold mine for €250 recently.
Once the car can take it of course like some Tesla Model S.

slave1 · 26-12-2020 12:22AM

Zappi 2 has a 3 phase model too

Cyrus · 26-12-2020 02:13PM

Down at my in laws and my wife will hopefully be up and down here a lot more when things get back to normal, we could do with a charge point down here if she is coming along .

The good news is that the fuse board is in the utility very close to the outside of the house so an install should be easy.

Bad news is I can’t get a grant for this one so needs to be cheap as possible ! What’s the cheapest load balancing charger i could get ? And I’ll try get a local sparks to fit .

This is there fuse board presume shouldn’t have an issue house was a new build 25 years ago .

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