The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

that last post that was deleted, do you have figures for the other counties? its hard to draw a conclusion with only 1 POV being presented

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

that last post that was deleted, do you have figures for the other counties? its hard to draw a conclusion with only 1 POV being presented

If you want to provide any evidence that any county comes close to the level of money Dublin GAA are dealing with then go ahead. Or maybe show where any other county has seen such a significant rise in success? 91 titles compared to 33 in the same time frame.

Someone’s mask is slipping. Using data only one other blogger uses. I fear it may be one in the same masquerading as a new concerned poster.

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i'm not from dub but if you are presenting the argument they are being overfunded, you cant just say Dublin are getting X amount. your stats only go back to 2005, so whats to say they were not overfunded prior to that?

i mean to have the actual debate, all the facts need to be out there. i dont have all those, nor am i going to go and try to find them.

i dont know what will happen with leinster, cos thats a foregone conclusion (right now) for the next 20 years you would think.

so lets 1st identify the problem....dublin are dominating

next identify the cause of that problem...a myriad of factors mainly money and population.

then we come up with solutions to the problem....splitting is not gonna happen the same way amalgamation aint gonna happen (they're opposite sides of the same coin).
put the same structures in place across all counties? i fear the boat has already sailed, cos their population advantage combined with the huge interest in recent years will pretty much nullify anything the other counties can do.

the outcome...long term financial loss to the gaa as interest dwindles. the rugby and soccer teams will be happy.

You're only talking about games development? If so, I can give you some figures from 2007 onwards. The 2nd highest county in terms of games development money in 07 were getting 89,700, the lowest counties in 07 were getting 7,475. The 2nd highest county got between 100,000 and 120,000 for every year up to 2014 when it went down to 69,000, the lowest county got 7,475 in 08 again but then the lowest county received about 40,000 until 2016. Then the lowest and second highest rose to over 100,000 for the lowest and over 200,000 for the second highest.

I don't have the figures for prior to 2005 when the original Irish sports council grant to Dublin began at the start of the century.

Senior champo is where it's at, Kerry have been in 7 all Ireland finals since 2007, Dublin have been in 8. In 3 of those finals Dublin and Kerry played each other. It could very easily have been Kerry on 6 all Irelands since 2007 and Dublin on 5 and this thread probably wouldn't even exist.

ArielAtom wrote: »

If posters would accept that funding was between 2007 and 2017, and that currently Dublin are underfunded in comparison with some other counties. Then we could have all party talks. But as long as the funding argument is put out there without knowing how and what’s it’s purpose was we are going to keep going around in circles. Some posters still think that it was for the Snr Football team and they are professional, imagine that.

What are you basing the underfunded piece on? Genuine question, I skim the thread but don't read every post so may have missed something.

Will say that posters claiming funding makes no impact is blind to the reality of why funding exists. If it doesn't make an impact, someone should let all sports know so they can stop wasting money.

ArielAtom wrote: »

I’ve posted figures on numerous occasions in this thread.

You also claimed the funding was just for primary school children and are now claiming it was only from 2007.

Either you are pretty clueless on the topic or being completely dishonest. Not sure which.

ClanofLams wrote: »

Fair enough, I found them. All the large counties Cork Galway Limerick appear to be significantly underfunded and smaller counties significantly underfunded per this analysis which makes sense I guess given the numbers. Dublin are -7%, Cork -60%, Galway -40%, Limerick -36%. I presume this excludes commercial income?

It's quite a reach to claim Dublin are underfunded based on the above.

But they are based on those figures, as are many others. Leaving commercial figures out of it they are from central council. I’m not playing the poor mouth, merely trying to put perspective on it.

LuasSimon wrote: »

I see the Dublin Womens team only beat Cork by five points in winning the ladies All Ireland , have to get a few more Development officers into each of the Girls secondary schools in Dublin

Great display, came from behind to win it. Your sarcasm is noted, lowest form of humour.

This is amazing. Over 5,000 posts on the dominance of Dublin. Of the Six in a row, 2 were won in replays and the biggest winning margin in a final was 6 points. Its winning, but I don't think you can call it dominance.

The real issue is the gap between Division 1 and the rest. On a given day, any of the top teams (Kerry, Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone) can beat Dublin. You might get the odd upset along the way - Cavan and Tipp this year for example. But can anyone say when the last time a team playing outside Division 1 won an All Ireland?

Its easy to blame money and population, but Dublin hurling can hardly be seen as dominant and they work with the same money and population.

Hurling accepts that you cant pitch Wicklow against Kilkenny and expect an upset. Yet football continues to have Waterford v Kerry, Sligo v Mayo, Antrim v Donegal etc. in the hope that you manage a once in a decade upset.

The league is the only fair competition in the GAA. The dominant dubs didnt win that.

Fix the real issue in stead of complaining about a unique batch of players with a character and talent to find a way to win against teams that are as good as Mayo.

DubCount wrote: »

This is amazing. Over 5,000 posts on the dominance of Dublin. Of the Six in a row, 2 were won in replays and the biggest winning margin in a final was 6 points. Its winning, but I don't think you can call it dominance.

The real issue is the gap between Division 1 and the rest. On a given day, any of the top teams (Kerry, Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone) can beat Dublin. You might get the odd upset along the way - Cavan and Tipp this year for example. But can anyone say when the last time a team playing outside Division 1 won an All Ireland?

Its easy to blame money and population, but Dublin hurling can hardly be seen as dominant and they work with the same money and population.

Hurling accepts that you cant pitch Wicklow against Kilkenny and expect an upset. Yet football continues to have Waterford v Kerry, Sligo v Mayo, Antrim v Donegal etc. in the hope that you manage a once in a decade upset.

The league is the only fair competition in the GAA. The dominant dubs didnt win that.

Fix the real issue in stead of complaining about a unique batch of players with a character and talent to find a way to win against teams that are as good as Mayo.

Not trying to be dismissive but this is absolutely delusional. Hard to know where even to start but....

1. You can't call six in a row dominance? Wtf?

2. There is absolutely nothing to suggest any of those teams can beat Dublin. Kerry couldn't with a man extra for forty minutes last year and Dublin comfortably won the replay. Dublin didn't even have to hit close to top gear to win the All Ireland this year, they could have beat Mayo by ten if they needed to. Galway/Donegal/Tyrone have zero chance with the exception of a freak game where Dublin have two sent off or something.

3. Barring a game when they were down to 14 for forty minutes, five points is the nearest anyone has come to Dublin since 2017 in an All Ireland semi final or final and in truth if Dublin wanted them to be, the margins could all have been bigger.

4. Dublin hurling has been utterly transformed from the very low base at which they started. Beaten by Westmeath in 2005 Leinster championship and nowhere close to competitive at juvenile level. Dublin knocked out back to back All Ireland finalists Galway last year, within one point of Kilkenny this year, significant juvenile success includes four minor Leinster titles this decade, gave Wexford a trimming in u20 leinster semi final this weekend, etc. A dublin club had never won a leinster title, now a dublin club has back to back all ireland wins. In 2005, these sort of results were almost as unlikely as the footballers winning six in a row. Great for hurling to have strong Dublin.

5. These aren't a unique batch of players, more than half the team has changed since first of the six in a row.

ClanofLams wrote: »

I don't think I have ever blamed Dublin. But the reality is a competitive football championship is gone and no structures are going to change that.

Apologies I was not saying you were, although the majors of posters here do.

ooter wrote: »

Senior champo is where it's at, Kerry have been in 7 all Ireland finals since 2007, Dublin have been in 8. In 3 of those finals Dublin and Kerry played each other. It could very easily have been Kerry on 6 all Irelands since 2007 and Dublin on 5 and this thread probably wouldn't even exist.

i mean, Holland could have won 3 world cups as well.

winning is all that matters, and dublin are doing that. granted helped by their larger population, but aided and abetted by more funding and the need not to travel (be that for games or training). surely everyone can acknowledge that?

ClanofLams wrote: »

Not trying to be dismissive but this is absolutely delusional. Hard to know where even to start but....

1. You can't call six in a row dominance? Wtf?

2. There is absolutely nothing to suggest any of those teams can beat Dublin. Kerry couldn't with a man extra for forty minutes last year and Dublin comfortably won the replay. Dublin didn't even have to hit close to top gear to win the All Ireland this year, they could have beat Mayo by ten if they needed to. Galway/Donegal/Tyrone have zero chance with the exception of a freak game where Dublin have two sent off or something.

3. Barring a game when they were down to 14 for forty minutes, five points is the nearest anyone has come to Dublin since 2017 in an All Ireland semi final or final and in truth if Dublin wanted them to be, the margins could all have been bigger.

4. Dublin hurling has been utterly transformed from the very low base at which they started. Beaten by Westmeath in 2005 Leinster championship and nowhere close to competitive at juvenile level. Dublin knocked out back to back All Ireland finalists Galway last year, within one point of Kilkenny this year, significant juvenile success includes four minor Leinster titles this decade, gave Wexford a trimming in u20 leinster semi final this weekend, etc. A dublin club had never won a leinster title, now a dublin club has back to back all ireland wins. In 2005, these sort of results were almost as unlikely as the footballers winning six in a row. Great for hurling to have strong Dublin.

5. These aren't a unique batch of players, more than half the team has changed since first of the six in a row.

1. Dominance is easily beating the best of the rest. Dublin have been dominant in Leinster, but when they have played top tier teams its been far from a stroll.

2. That is so disrespectful to other top tier teams. If Dublin didnt hit top gear in this years final, thats because of the intensity of the Mayo team that faced them. They were level after 50 minutes in spite of conceding 2 goals. A couple of sloppy passes in the final quarter, a few referee decisions, its hardly my idea of a stroll in the park.

3. LOL. Are you actually suggesting that in an All Ireland final, a team chose win by a smaller margin than they could have?

4. Dublin hurling has improved, but its hardly in the running to win the Liam McCarthy any time soon. If anything, its gone backwards since the Daly era.

5. There is a core of the team that have been the difference in this era. Cluxton alone has been central and he wont be there for another 10 years. I would say the likes of James McCarthy and Mick Fitz etc will not be easily replaced. If you look at the latest entrants to the team, I dont think you can say they have improved the team like Fenton/Kilkenny did. The belief that Dublin will be just as strong in the future is no based on reality. Its not like they are winning 6 in a row at minors.

Only for a game they probably should have won but were caught on the counter with some goals we'd be at 8 in a row now. Scary stuff.