jay1988 wrote: » I'd have no problem with the funding going anywhere, it wouldn't stop those players being top players overnight, it'd still be the best panel in the country for the next few years at least. Should we reduce Kerry's funding and dish it out to the rest of Munster? Kerry have 15 of the last 20 Munster championships, surely they should be stripped of their money and it should be distributed to the rest of the teams going by your logic?
y0ssar1an22 wrote: » that last post that was deleted, do you have figures for the other counties? its hard to draw a conclusion with only 1 POV being presented
Enquiring wrote: » If you want to provide any evidence that any county comes close to the level of money Dublin GAA are dealing with then go ahead. Or maybe show where any other county has seen such a significant rise in success? 91 titles compared to 33 in the same time frame.
y0ssar1an22 wrote: » i'm not from dub but if you are presenting the argument they are being overfunded, you cant just say Dublin are getting X amount. your stats only go back to 2005, so whats to say they were not overfunded prior to that? i mean to have the actual debate, all the facts need to be out there. i dont have all those, nor am i going to go and try to find them. i dont know what will happen with leinster, cos thats a foregone conclusion (right now) for the next 20 years you would think. so lets 1st identify the problem....dublin are dominating next identify the cause of that problem...a myriad of factors mainly money and population. then we come up with solutions to the problem....splitting is not gonna happen the same way amalgamation aint gonna happen (they're opposite sides of the same coin). put the same structures in place across all counties? i fear the boat has already sailed, cos their population advantage combined with the huge interest in recent years will pretty much nullify anything the other counties can do. the outcome...long term financial loss to the gaa as interest dwindles. the rugby and soccer teams will be happy.
ClanofLams wrote: » Just out of curiosity and to move the thread from the continuous circle it travels in, is there a stage where Dublin posters would acknowledge a problem? If Dublin do 10 in a row? If Dublin win seven of the next eight? In my view Dublin will win 80-90% of All Irelands in the long term under current structures, is that an issue?
ArielAtom wrote: » If posters would accept that funding was between 2007 and 2017, and that currently Dublin are underfunded in comparison with some other counties. Then we could have all party talks. But as long as the funding argument is put out there without knowing how and what’s it’s purpose was we are going to keep going around in circles. Some posters still think that it was for the Snr Football team and they are professional, imagine that.
ClanofLams wrote: » What are you basing the underfunded piece on? Genuine question, I skim the thread but don't read every post so may have missed something. Will say that posters claiming funding makes no impact is blind to the reality of why funding exists. If it doesn't make an impact, someone should let all sports know so they can stop wasting money.
ArielAtom wrote: » I’ve posted figures on numerous occasions in this thread.
ClanofLams wrote: » Fair enough, I found them. All the large counties Cork Galway Limerick appear to be significantly underfunded and smaller counties significantly underfunded per this analysis which makes sense I guess given the numbers. Dublin are -7%, Cork -60%, Galway -40%, Limerick -36%. I presume this excludes commercial income? It's quite a reach to claim Dublin are underfunded based on the above.
LuasSimon wrote: » I see the Dublin Womens team only beat Cork by five points in winning the ladies All Ireland , have to get a few more Development officers into each of the Girls secondary schools in Dublin
ArielAtom wrote: » But they are based on those figures, as are many others. Leaving commercial figures out of it they are from central council. I’m not playing the poor mouth, merely trying to put perspective on it.
ClanofLams wrote: » There were figures posted earlier in the thread that showed they were massively overfunded for many years. Commercial income is obviously worth millions every year to Dublin and presumably comfortably exceeds the 1.3 million figure in that analysis. Also think it is fairly obvious that for example you would rather have a pool of 25,000 players with twenty coaches than 5,000 player pool with five coaches? Even though the latter would be doing better 'funding' wise. Not reflective of any counties, just to use a simplistic example. But anyway fine, let's say assume for the sake of discussion Dublin is underfunded versus smaller counties but still funded much better than large counties. Do you want to answer original question now? If Dublin win seven of next eight is that a serious issue for GAA?
DubCount wrote: » This is amazing. Over 5,000 posts on the dominance of Dublin. Of the Six in a row, 2 were won in replays and the biggest winning margin in a final was 6 points. Its winning, but I don't think you can call it dominance. The real issue is the gap between Division 1 and the rest. On a given day, any of the top teams (Kerry, Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone) can beat Dublin. You might get the odd upset along the way - Cavan and Tipp this year for example. But can anyone say when the last time a team playing outside Division 1 won an All Ireland? Its easy to blame money and population, but Dublin hurling can hardly be seen as dominant and they work with the same money and population. Hurling accepts that you cant pitch Wicklow against Kilkenny and expect an upset. Yet football continues to have Waterford v Kerry, Sligo v Mayo, Antrim v Donegal etc. in the hope that you manage a once in a decade upset. The league is the only fair competition in the GAA. The dominant dubs didnt win that. Fix the real issue in stead of complaining about a unique batch of players with a character and talent to find a way to win against teams that are as good as Mayo.
ArielAtom wrote: » Yes it is, but is it a Dublin problem? No is the simple answer. Pat Gilroy laid the foundations at IC level by putting in management structures. He is the MD of a very large business. He realised that IC level required good management structures, he also got rid of lads who didn’t buy into commitment. Limerick are the only county who have sought out advise on how Dublin put these structures in place. Every county needs to do similar, finances should be made available to enable that. But let’s stop blaming Dublin on others failings.
ClanofLams wrote: » I don't think I have ever blamed Dublin. But the reality is a competitive football championship is gone and no structures are going to change that.
ooter wrote: » Senior champo is where it's at, Kerry have been in 7 all Ireland finals since 2007, Dublin have been in 8. In 3 of those finals Dublin and Kerry played each other. It could very easily have been Kerry on 6 all Irelands since 2007 and Dublin on 5 and this thread probably wouldn't even exist.
DubCount wrote: » This is amazing. Over 5,000 posts on the dominance of Dublin. Of the Six in a row, 2 were won in replays and the biggest winning margin in a final was 6 points. Its winning, but I don't think you can call it dominance. The real issue is the gap between Division 1 and the rest. On a given day, any of the top teams (Kerry, Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone) can beat Dublin. You might get the odd upset along the way - Cavan and Tipp this year for example. But can anyone say when the last time a team playing outside Division 1 won an All Ireland? .
ClanofLams wrote: » Not trying to be dismissive but this is absolutely delusional. Hard to know where even to start but.... 1. You can't call six in a row dominance? Wtf? 2. There is absolutely nothing to suggest any of those teams can beat Dublin. Kerry couldn't with a man extra for forty minutes last year and Dublin comfortably won the replay. Dublin didn't even have to hit close to top gear to win the All Ireland this year, they could have beat Mayo by ten if they needed to. Galway/Donegal/Tyrone have zero chance with the exception of a freak game where Dublin have two sent off or something. 3. Barring a game when they were down to 14 for forty minutes, five points is the nearest anyone has come to Dublin since 2017 in an All Ireland semi final or final and in truth if Dublin wanted them to be, the margins could all have been bigger. 4. Dublin hurling has been utterly transformed from the very low base at which they started. Beaten by Westmeath in 2005 Leinster championship and nowhere close to competitive at juvenile level. Dublin knocked out back to back All Ireland finalists Galway last year, within one point of Kilkenny this year, significant juvenile success includes four minor Leinster titles this decade, gave Wexford a trimming in u20 leinster semi final this weekend, etc. A dublin club had never won a leinster title, now a dublin club has back to back all ireland wins. In 2005, these sort of results were almost as unlikely as the footballers winning six in a row. Great for hurling to have strong Dublin. 5. These aren't a unique batch of players, more than half the team has changed since first of the six in a row.
DubCount wrote: » 1. Dominance is easily beating the best of the rest. Dublin have been dominant in Leinster, but when they have played top tier teams its been far from a stroll. 2. That is so disrespectful to other top tier teams. If Dublin didnt hit top gear in this years final, thats because of the intensity of the Mayo team that faced them. They were level after 50 minutes in spite of conceding 2 goals. A couple of sloppy passes in the final quarter, a few referee decisions, its hardly my idea of a stroll in the park. 3. LOL. Are you actually suggesting that in an All Ireland final, a team chose win by a smaller margin than they could have? 4. Dublin hurling has improved, but its hardly in the running to win the Liam McCarthy any time soon. If anything, its gone backwards since the Daly era. 5. There is a core of the team that have been the difference in this era. Cluxton alone has been central and he wont be there for another 10 years. I would say the likes of James McCarthy and Mick Fitz etc will not be easily replaced. If you look at the latest entrants to the team, I dont think you can say they have improved the team like Fenton/Kilkenny did. The belief that Dublin will be just as strong in the future is no based on reality. Its not like they are winning 6 in a row at minors.
