The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

the kelt

ooter wrote: »

It appears you don't like the fact that the Dublin senior hurlers have won nothing, doesn't suit the agenda.
Shure lookit, loads of other counties have players that favour 1 code over the other, but Shure tis grand.
Underage means nothing, this has been discussed at length.

You do know what the word fact means?

tritium

threeball wrote: »

This is an amateur sport in case you hadn't noticed. Theres no Russians or arabs going to roll into Mullingar and swing the funding balance in Westmeaths favour.

Really, just so we’re clear, are you saying the GAA is financially fair with the exception of Dublin? Are you saying it was financially fair before the current dublin funding?

olestoepoke

Enquiring wrote: »

Outrageous numbers I think you'll agree?

Yes yes absolutely.

JeffKenna

Liberalbrehon wrote: »

Not reading 333 pages to see if this was said before but I'd love to see Connaught v Dublin, Rest of Leinster v Dublin, Munster v Dublin. A kind of Railway cup before or after the next Championship.

I'd love to see Dublin put into the AFL. Think they'd hold there own.

dunnerc

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'd love to see Dublin put into the AFL. Think they'd hold there own.

I wouldnt , think it is pure nonsense

JeffKenna

dunnerc wrote: »

I wouldnt , think it is pure nonsense

Be interesting to see if they're at the standard of professional teams.

tobefrank321

dunnerc wrote: »

Do you seriously think i was serious ? :rolleyes:

You tell me.

At least you see why its impossible for every other county.

Collective training is a nightmare for players from most counties and costly to county boards.

Its another reason why the sport should go professional. Its insane to expect players to work in Dublin but train in Mayo or Donegal several nights a week.

ooter

Are all of the Limerick hurlers employed in Limerick?

tritium

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You tell me.

At least you see why its impossible for every other county.

Collective training is a nightmare for players from most counties and costly to county boards.

Its another reason why the sport should go professional. Its insane to expect players to work in Dublin but train in Mayo or Donegal several nights a week.

Any reason they can’t just copy the Mayo or Kerry models so - both of them are competitive and any county that could follow that template would be in the top 5 consistently. Certainly any gap to dublin would be narrow even before any funding was adjusted (because some posters here assure us that money is only available to Dublin)

Of course any county could have done that for the last 100 years if it was that straightforward. Roll of honour over that period says maybe there’s a problem there that isn’t Dublin...

Bass Reeves

ooter wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be doing Limerick any harm.

Compact county with 2-3 centers of excellence available to them in UL and Rathkeale as well as Gaelic Grounds. Few players at training would be more than 30 minutes from home to training

jimmytwotimes 2013

tritium wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-30947162.html?type=amp

I’ll just leave this here so....

Miles off what has been pumped into dubs, as expected

threeball

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Compact county with 2-3 centers of excellence available to them in UL and Rathkeale as well as Gaelic Grounds. Few players at training would be more than 30 minutes from home to training

And the other county with the main sports science campus in Ireland which they have access to regularly.

beggars_bush

tritium wrote: »

Really, just so we’re clear, are you saying the GAA is financially fair with the exception of Dublin? Are you saying it was financially fair before the current dublin funding?

Dublin gaa did not really have a very good financial situation until the Bertie money rolled in. They were breaking even
They owned very little - Parnell Park, no training grounds and had a small games development section.

How come Dublin don't need to fundraise every year, selling tickets through clubs and Dubs around the world to finance their operations like a lot of counties now need to do?

rrs

I read Dublin have more in their backroom team at 28 then Manchester United. A lot of Counties are big but that's very elite.

Limerick Hurlers big too, helped by JP McManus

threeball

ooter wrote: »

It appears you don't like the fact that the Dublin senior hurlers have won nothing, doesn't suit the agenda.
Shure lookit, loads of other counties have players that favour 1 code over the other, but Shure tis grand.
Underage means nothing, this has been discussed at length.

Now you're just talking total sh1te. Are you trying to tell me that players just arrive on the senior scene with no previous form from underage ready to win an all ireland.
Dublin have no history in hurling in the last 50yrs but they've won titles and will contest a leinster final with Galway in the coming weeks. But the money means nothing of course.
If its not delivering then you won't mind parting with it in that case.

tritium

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Miles off what has been pumped into dubs, as expected

The blinkers are strong on this one

30 odd years no no questions asked funding, back to when no one in the country had a pot to piss in. And micko’s hoho tales of cash gifts before that.

It really is like Chelsea whinging that Man City have money

The Lost Sheep

rrs wrote: »

I read Dublin have more in their backroom team at 28 then Manchester United. A lot of Counties are big but that's very elite.

Limerick Hurlers big too, helped by JP McManus

They dont.
Tipp hurlers have, as posted in this thread already, a very large back room team. Most counties, at least those who are regularly challenging for all irelands, will have 20 plus working with the team.

tritium

beggars_bush wrote: »

Dublin gaa did not really have a very good financial situation until the Bertie money rolled in. They were breaking even
They owned very little - Parnell Park, no training grounds and had a small games development section.

How come Dublin don't need to fundraise every year, selling tickets through clubs and Dubs around the world to finance their operations like a lot of counties now need to do?

Dublin got their act together and copied the sponsorship model of other counties and sports teams. I read a cool article detailing how they brought in some people with really strong experience in the area and took a more serious approach as part of their overall strategy.

By fundraiser I assume you mean corporate shindigs I take it, and “Friends of the County” top ups. Like, corporate sponsorship in everything but name. I’m pretty sure the O’Sheas and O’Ses aren’t standing outside masses of a Sunday shaking a bucket for a few cents

threeball

tritium wrote: »

Dublin got their act together and copied the sponsorship model of other counties and sports teams. I read a cool article detailing how they brought in some people with really strong experience in the area and took a more serious approach as part of their overall strategy.

By fundraiser I assume you mean corporate shindigs I take it, and “Friends of the County” top ups. Like, corporate sponsorship in everything but name. I’m pretty sure the O’Sheas and O’Ses aren’t standing outside masses of a Sunday shaking a bucket for a few cents

No, instead the mayo county board are selling tiles for 250 quid to get your name on them as supporters of the county. How many tiles did Dublin sell last year to get their funding together. How many houses did they raffle to balance the books?

munster87

tritium wrote: »

The blinkers are strong on this one

30 odd years no no questions asked funding, back to when no one in the country had a pot to piss in. And micko’s hoho tales of cash gifts before that.

It really is like Chelsea whinging that Man City have money

Fairly horrendous comparison to use. Maybe Nottingham Forest complaining about City.

Dyr

threeball wrote: »

No, instead the mayo county board are selling tiles for 250 quid to get your name on them as supporters of the county. How many tiles did Dublin sell last year to get their funding together. How many houses did they raffle to balance the books?

Shame that they fell out with their sugar daddy over in the states alright. Diversified income streams rather than totally relying on a rich headbanger would have been the smart thing.

threeball

Bambi wrote: »

Shame that they fell out with their sugar daddy over in the states alright. Diversified income streams rather than totally relying on a rich headbanger would have been the smart thing.

Dublin don't need sugar daddies. They just suckle off the GAAs teat while the rest of us don't even get in the pen.

Anyway, we may as well relax for the next hour and settle down to watch the once in a generation Dublin Ladies in action. We'll miss them when they're gone.

kilns

threeball wrote: »

Dublin don't need sugar daddies. They just suckle off the GAAs teat while the rest of us don't even get in the pen.

Anyway, we may as well relax for the next hour and settle down to watch the once in a generation Dublin Ladies in action. We'll miss them when they're gone.

You really need to educate yourself before posting stupid stuff

rrs

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

They dont.
Tipp hurlers have, as posted in this thread already, a very large back room team. Most counties, at least those who are regularly challenging for all irelands, will have 20 plus working with the team.

They don't what? I'm aware other Counties are big. Limerick is 22.

Does any other county have 28? when United a professional club don't.

kilns

rrs wrote: »

They don't what? I'm aware other Counties are big. Limerick is 22.

Does any other county have 28? when United a professional club don't.

Mayo could have 50,000 in their back room team if they wanted, anybody who supports their county would love to be involved in their county set up.

The Lost Sheep

rrs wrote: »

They don't what? I'm aware other Counties are big. Limerick is 22.

Does any other county have 28? when United a professional club don't.

Dont have more than united.
United will have so many more than that. This link says 23 and im sure theyve a lot more than 1 physio etc

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-coaching-staff-solskjaer-16914024

Tipp had 27 last year. Cant imagine they had cut that
https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/sport/436763/here-is-the-27-man-management-team-which-is-working-to-cater-for-the-tipperary-players-every-need.html

ClanofLams

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Population has always been skewed towards Dublin but this period of dominance s is only recent.

If all things were equal then I would accept population as an advantage, but the ability of many counties to actually put a competitive inter county team out that is based on long term support, development and investment is completely lacking in many counties.

Cork are a perfect example, the incompetence of their administrators has been clear to see across the development of Pairs Ui Caoimh. Old power hungry dinosaurs with dodgy stuff going on all over the place.

Look at the experience of Eddie Brennan and what he has to say about the most recent county board he was involved with. Eddie knows what it takes to win.

The truth of the matter is that the administrators in many counties are holding back GAA in that county

Dublin’s population advantage has doubled over the last 100 years (10% of island population to 20% is island population). That is an absolutely massive advantage and when you implement huge funding to fully tap that advantage the outcome of domination is near guaranteed bar gross incompetence.

Funding matters, across all and every sport despite some seemingly implying the GAA is unique somehow and funding has no impact (in which case the GAA wasted millions and millions as another poster pointed out).

Better structures could absolutely be put in place in other counties, although it would cost the GAA HQ as another poster pointed out. But it’s almost irrelevant, the horse has bolted, all the structures you want won’t be enough to restore competitiveness against the behomoth that is Dublin who are now fully and rightly (from their perspective) making full use of every advantage they have.

ooter

threeball wrote: »

Now you're just talking total sh1te. Are you trying to tell me that players just arrive on the senior scene with no previous form from underage ready to win an all ireland.
Dublin have no history in hurling in the last 50yrs but they've won titles and will contest a leinster final with Galway in the coming weeks. But the money means nothing of course.
If its not delivering then you won't mind parting with it in that case.

I've already said the gaa should stop funding Dublin senior hurling, it has been an abject failure.

kilns

ClanofLams wrote: »

Dublin’s population advantage has doubled over the last 100 years (10% of island population to 20% is island population). That is an absolutely massive advantage and when you implement huge funding to fully tap that advantage the outcome of domination is near guaranteed bar gross incompetence.

Funding matters, across all and every sport despite some seemingly implying the GAA is unique somehow and funding has no impact (in which case the GAA wasted millions and millions as another poster pointed out).

Better structures could absolutely be put in place in other counties, although it would cost the GAA HQ as another poster pointed out. But it’s almost irrelevant, the horse has bolted, all the structures you want won’t be enough to restore competitiveness against the behomoth that is Dublin who are now fully and rightly (from their perspective) making full use of every advantage they have.

Do you honestly think that if you put the same structures into Leitrim and gave them a million a year it would change anything and have them more competitive in Connaught.

The answer is no

Population is an issue when it comes to Dublin but it's also an issue when it comes to places like Mayo v Leitrim/Roscommon

Throwing money at them won't solve anything if needs a complete overhaul with a centralised development plan as rural counties have very different needs to urban counties

ooter

Does anyone know how big the Dublin senior hurling backroom team is?
Thieving a wage them lads are.