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Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

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    #572
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Trump: We'll have a vaccine before Christmas

    Medical experts: That's preposterous

    This isn't a conspiracy.


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    #573
    ShatterAlan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Trump: We'll have a vaccine before Christmas

    Medical experts: That's preposterous


    At 7:00



    Sean doesn't exactly report the news, does he?


    Each sentence is infused with a kind of pre-pubescent dig. Rather unbecoming of a newscaster.


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    #574
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Sean doesn't exactly report the news, does he? Each sentence is infused with a kind of pre-pubescent dig. Rather unbecoming of a newscaster.

    No Sir the clips are at 7:00 in the video for roughly a minute. Nothing to do with Hannity.


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    #575
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    ALIENS ARE COMING!!!!!!!

    The US Space Force are now known as Guardians


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    #576
    Quiner
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    I went onto the Health Passport Ireland website the other day and saw it had was now Health Passport Europe. One credible conspiracy theory, therefore, is that covid-19 was either planned, or is being taken advantage of, to institute a Chinese-style social credit system across the West. There is very little difference really between a health passport and the social credit system in China. Both result in the unhealthy, or the badly behaved, being locked out of society.


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    #577
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    I went onto the Health Passport Ireland website the other day and saw it had was now Health Passport Europe. One credible conspiracy theory, therefore, is that covid-19 was either planned, or is being taken advantage of, to institute a Chinese-style social credit system across the West. There is very little difference really between a health passport and the social credit system in China. Both result in the unhealthy, or the badly behaved, being locked out of society.

    Have you read what health passports are?

    https://www.ccdhb.org.nz/your-health/disability-responsiveness/what-is-a-health-passport/
    Anyone with a long-term condition or disability, who has support needs, could benefit from using a Health Passport.

    This has information about your health that belongs to you. You choose to write in it what you want a health professional to know about you. Examples could be how you want to be communicated with, or what gives you anxiety.

    Using this tool means you don’t have to repeat yourself all the time and have a way of communicating with staff when you might not be able to.


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    #578
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Have you read what health passports are?

    https://www.ccdhb.org.nz/your-health/disability-responsiveness/what-is-a-health-passport/

    Also loads of countries have mandatory vacancies you need to get before visiting them... There is nothing at all new here. If anything it's just better organisation.


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    #579
    Quiner
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    Dohnjoe, I can't quote your post as it contains a link. My reply:

    That's a different kind of health passport. The one I'm talking about is Health Passport Ireland, which was launched three or four months ago and which is currently being trialed. I can't post a link to the video, unfortunately, but if you Google Health Passport Ireland you'll find it under 'Videos'. The Health Passport Ireland website has mysteriously disappeared. It was on Google a couple of days ago.

    Health Passport Ireland, according to the video, would be based on a traffic light system. Green means you're good to go, Orange means you need to get tested, and Red means no entry. In the video it describes the different ways the passport could be used. Basically everywhere, according to the video. Shops, restaurants, concerts, hospitals, football stadia, you name it.

    Do people really want to live in a society like that?


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    #580
    Quiner
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    EyesClosed wrote: »
    Also loads of countries have mandatory vacancies you need to get before visiting them... There is nothing at all new here. If anything it's just better organisation.

    I've no problem with vaccination being a requirement for international because there is, as you say, a precedent for it. But there's a big difference between Health Passport Ireland and vaccination for international travel. See my reply to Dohnjoe in which I describe Health Passport Ireland.


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    #581
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    Dohnjoe, I can't quote your post as it contains a link. My reply:

    That's a different kind of health passport. The one I'm talking about is Health Passport Ireland, which was launched three or four months ago and which is currently being trialed. I can't post a link to the video, unfortunately, but if you Google Health Passport Ireland you'll find it under 'Videos'. The Health Passport Ireland website has mysteriously disappeared. It was on Google a couple of days ago.

    Health Passport Ireland, according to the video, would be based on a traffic light system. Green means you're good to go, Orange means you need to get tested, and Red means no entry. In the video it describes the different ways the passport could be used. Basically everywhere, according to the video. Shops, restaurants, concerts, hospitals, football stadia, you name it.

    Do people really want to live in a society like that?

    So if you believe all this stuff is happening, what are you doing to prepare for the coming totalitarian occupation?


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    #582
    Quiner
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    So if you believe all this stuff is happening, what are you doing to prepare for the coming totalitarian occupation?

    Looking at all the countries around the world and seeing which ones would be okay to live in. Definitely avoid all the 'build back better' ones.


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    #583
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    Looking at all the countries around the world and seeing which ones would be okay to live in. Definitely avoid all the 'build back better' ones.

    Where do you live now and which country will you be moving to?

    Also, when will you be moving?


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    #584
    sabat
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    Quiner wrote: »

    That's a different kind of health passport. The one I'm talking about is Health Passport Ireland, which was launched three or four months ago and which is currently being trialed. I can't post a link to the video, unfortunately, but if you Google Health Passport Ireland you'll find it under 'Videos'. The Health Passport Ireland website has mysteriously disappeared. It was on Google a couple of days ago.

    Nothing to see here...
    A multimillion-euro deal to bring medical ventilators into Ireland saw the HSE pay cash up front a month in advance to a company with no trading history.

    The HSE paid Roqu Media International Limited, a Dublin-based company with a history of managing festivals in countries such as Saudi Arabia and Bulgaria, €14.1 million for the supply of intensive care Boaray and Eternity ventilators

    https://www.healthpassportireland.ie/the-roqu-gropu
    ROQU specialises in partnering with international Governments, State Agencies and Ministries to fulfill premium projects of national importance, including economic and social development, with critical problem solving.

    As a trusted partner during the 2020 COVID-19 Pandemic, ROQU successfully helped to solve medical emergency problems and rapidly procured equipment for multiple Governments.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-company-health-passport-1067622
    ROQU, the company behind the technology, believes it could also help people travel abroad in future.
    Mr Quirke, a 41-year-old former IDA executive who describes himself as the president and CEO of Roqu Group, is also the firm’s sole employee, while the company’s headquarters is based in an apartment complex in Dublin.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40189284.html


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    #585
    Quiner
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    I wish it was the case that there was nothing to worry about.

    Health Passport Ireland recently completed a trial in a small Roscommon town, and I believe it is being trialed in Tallaght Hospital at the moment, or was trialed in that hospital recently. I'll have to double check that. I'll post links tomorrow.

    Isn't the principle of a health passport virtually identical to the social credit system in China? Both result in citizens being unable to do certain things unless healthy or well behaved. It shows how far we've fallen that Health Passport Ireland is being trialed in the country.


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    #586
    Quiner
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Where do you live now and which country will you be moving to?

    Also, when will you be moving?

    I'm not sure yet. But it's very easy to rule out countries. Virtually the entire West, save for a handful of countries (Sweden, Norway, and possibly Australia and New Zealand), the US, Canada, and most South American countries. Who would consider going to live in Spain, for example, where the people have been forced to wear masks 24/7 since May?

    There are a couple of countries I'm considering.


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    #587
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    I'm not sure yet. But it's very easy to rule out countries. Virtually the entire West, save for a handful of countries (Sweden, Norway, and possibly Australia and New Zealand), the US, Canada, and most South American countries. Who would consider going to live in Spain, for example, where the people have been forced to wear masks 24/7 since May?

    So because people are wearing masks to deal with an airborne virus, you have decided that something is going to happen to Spain to make it unlivable, what exactly?

    When this doesn't occur (we've heard false predictions hundreds of times on this forum) what will you think?


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    #588
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Quiner wrote: »
    I wish it was the case that there was nothing to worry about.

    Health Passport Ireland recently completed a trial in a small Roscommon town, and I believe it is being trialed in Tallaght Hospital at the moment, or was trialed in that hospital recently. I'll have to double check that. I'll post links tomorrow.

    Isn't the principle of a health passport virtually identical to the social credit system in China? Both result in citizens being unable to do certain things unless healthy or well behaved. It shows how far we've fallen that Health Passport Ireland is being trialed in the country.


    Here is the story.

    I don't see anything here that would merit geting overly paranoid over.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40077932.html


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    #589
    growleaves
    Registered Users Posts: 7,719 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    Here is the story.

    I don't see anything here that would merit geting overly paranoid over.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40077932.html

    That article doesn't give a lot of detail about what is involved.

    *If* you need a digital ID 'passport' to enter a shop or a restaurant well then....

    Some people are going to ask 'Hey what's the big deal?' no matter what happens though.


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    #590
    Quiner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Quiner


    I don't know. I think it's a Chinese-style social credit system. It uses the traffic light system. Imagine needing the light to go green in your own country to do virtually anything. The Health Passport Ireland promo video shows the places the passport could be used for. Shops, restaurants, stadia, hospitals. You name it. The video can be found under 'Videos' on Google.

    Would people be happy to live in a society of green, orange and red health passport lights?


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    #591
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    I don't know. I think it's a Chinese-style social credit system. It uses the traffic light system. Imagine needing the light to go green in your own country to do virtually anything. The Health Passport Ireland promo video shows the places the passport could be used for. Shops, restaurants, stadia, hospitals. You name it. The video can be found under 'Videos' on Google.

    Would people be happy to live in a society of green, orange and red health passport lights?

    Does it occur to you that your imagining of this might be wrong?


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    #592
    antgal23
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭antgal23


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Oh come on. Don't leave us dangling like that...let's hear it.

    Ah shure skyscrapers get burnt to the ground all the time, think about it

    All that fire burning all that metal I mean it's very logical, and then the fire spreads to WTC 7 and it burns too


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    #593
    Quiner
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    So because people are wearing masks to deal with an airborne virus, you have decided that something is going to happen to Spain to make it unlivable, what exactly?

    When this doesn't occur (we've heard false predictions hundreds of times on this forum) what will you think?

    I'm not saying something will happen which will make Spain unliveable. I'm saying it's unliveable already. Imagine having to wear that rag all day every day. It's just horrible. And it clearly isn't about health. Spain is right up there along with the other 24/7 mask countries in terms of case numbers and deaths.

    So I don't think a person would be wise to consider living in Spain. We've seen what the government is capable of during this thing.


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    Quiner
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    growleaves wrote: »
    That article doesn't give a lot of detail about what is involved.

    *If* you need a digital ID 'passport' to enter a shop or a restaurant well then....

    Some people are going to ask 'Hey what's the big deal?' no matter what happens though.

    Sadly, most people will see nothing wrong with it. Just like the masks and the crushing of small businesses and livelihoods, and the wrecking of mental health. RTÉ will say it's "for your safety", run a few propaganda ads for a few months, and before you know it the green, orange and red lights will be all over the country.


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    #595
    Quiner
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Does it occur to you that your imagining of this might be wrong?

    What am I imagining? In the video it shows the places the health passport could be used for. I listed them. Unless people are now going to claim that Health Passport Ireland's own promo video is a conspiracy video.

    Would you be happy to live in a Health Passport Ireland Ireland if it meant the light having to go green to be able to go to the shop, a restaurant, a concert, a football match, you name it?


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    #596
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    antgal23 wrote: »
    Ah shure skyscrapers get burnt to the ground all the time, think about it

    All that fire burning all that metal I mean it's very logical, and then the fire spreads to WTC 7 and it burns too

    Yes, fires were triggered on multiple stories in WTC 7 when it was hit by debris from WTC 1 collapsing. Steel is vulnerable to fire, which is why it's often cladded in fireproofing, and fires of 600c can cause steel to weaken over 50%, in WTC those burned throughout the day.

    Are you claiming something else occurred, if so, what is it?


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    #597
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    Would you be happy to live in a Health Passport Ireland Ireland if it meant the light having to go green to be able to go to the shop, a restaurant, a concert, a football match, you name it?

    You seem to be grossly misunderstanding what it is. A company has proposed a system whereby results from Covid tests (15 mins) could be shared via an app display the results. It means e.g. a company could check if all it's employees in the office were clear from Covid.

    You've decided to let your imagination run wild, that such a system would be in place across the entire country, stopping people buying food and all that nonsense.


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    #598
    Quiner
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You seem to be grossly misunderstanding what it is. A company has proposed a system whereby results from Covid tests (15 mins) could be shared via an app display the results. It means e.g. a company could check if all it's employees in the office were clear from Covid.

    You've decided to let your imagination run wild, that such a system would be in place across the entire country, stopping people buying food and all that nonsense.

    But the video shows the different places the health passport could be used for. Everywhere. I listed all of the places. It's not just office buildings we're talking about.


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    #599
    Ted_YNWA
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    growleaves wrote: »
    That article doesn't give a lot of detail about what is involved.

    *If* you need a digital ID 'passport' to enter a shop or a restaurant well then....

    Some people are going to ask 'Hey what's the big deal?' no matter what happens though.

    Exactly. It is people add 2 + 2 and getting 5.679

    It will be used to bar us from shops/cinema/painting our front room mauve.


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    #600
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Quiner wrote: »
    But the video shows the different places the health passport could be used for. Everywhere. I listed all of the places. It's not just office buildings we're talking about.

    Could. It could be used for a shop, you seem to think that's all shops. And part of some sinister plan. And you've woven in the Chinese social credit system, and you think pandemic is a "scam" or "fake".

    It's those extra little details which make your views on it absurd


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    #601
    Quiner
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    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    Exactly. It is people add 2 + 2 and getting 5.679

    It will be used to bar us from shops/cinema/painting our front room mauve.

    I'm just going by the promo video. It shows the different places Health Passport Ireland could be used for. It's not crazy to believe that Irish people could soon need a green light to do almost anything when such a scenario is presented as a possibility in the promo video for the health passport that is being trialed as we speak.

    It is 'could' and 'a possibility' at the moment, but, if it were to come to pass, how would you feel about needing a green light to flash on your phone to be able to do anything in your own country?


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