The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Bryan Fenton is 27 with the professional process in Dublin and adapting his role he could pay into his mid thirties similar to what you see some rugby players do. .

Enquiring wrote: »

****WARNING**** THIS POST CONTAINS FACTS THAT SOME WILL FIND UNCOMFORTABLE.

Stadium redevelopment

Croke Park - Dublin senior footballers home ground - 265,000,000

Dublin Games Development fund



* Unfortunately there is no data available for pre 2005

Sponsors

2015 - 1,191,200
2016 - 1,505,106

Dublin team expenses

2015 - 1,558,075
2016 - 1,514,394

Administration expenses

2015 - 974,444
2016 - 1,126,933

Strategic review committee

Income

2015 - 2,592,533
2016 - 2,774,233

Wages and salaries

2015 - 2,117,237
2016 - 2,193,299

Other expenses

2015 - 870,578
2016 - 1,146,419

Purchase of Spawell - 9,000,000

Purchase of Hollystown golf club - ? More than 10 million?




Data comparing titles won in Dublin GAA pre and post funding:



Prediction - Abuse and tons of deflection on the way but no actual discussion of any of the above.

Did you smash it wrote: »

If Dublin are split into 4 or 3, where are the teams going to play?

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Yep and that's the other massive advantage enjoyed by Dublin, their players living in Dublin. Very few if any other counties enjoys that advantage.
Also free centres of excellence and a free stadium.

They must enjoy about 8 clear advantages over others which have been widened the more professional and well funded their setup has been.

JeffKenna wrote: »

Must be kinda sad for the players in a way. They put in a lot of effort and it's all overshadowed by money.

Bass Reeves wrote: »

This came up recently in a conversation aside from distances players in other counties have to travel to and from training some also work outside there counties that add hours to training schedules. The demand for strength and conditioning training now means that aside from 3-4 training session most players must complete 2-4gym as we as recovery sessions. Some players in counties outside Dublin will travel 30-60 minutes each way to these and that is provided that they can do these at a local gym or pool as opposed to at county facilities.

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ok so you agree that putting the Croker development in was ridiculous?

Cavan_King wrote: »

I still don't understand why this topic generates such a polar opposite in opinions - surely there's some middle ground.

I don't want to see Dublin split in two but I think its clear that work needs to be done to redistribute the capital that was pumped into Dublin over the past decade.

Dublin have their own advantages that can't be addressed:

1. Their population - which I don't see as big a problem as some others (take soccer as an example, small countries like Croatia (4 million) & Belgium (11 million) over performing based on small populations with proper structure and funding in place).
2. The location - Jack McCaffrey even said the Dub's biggest advantage is all their players live, work, study in Dublin but, again, that can't be changed.
3. Expenses - is linked to the above but Dublin are always going to have minimal travel expenses etc. compared to other counties. For many counties, this appears to be their main expense.

However, there are issues which can easily be addressed:

1. Croke Park being their home ground now - Dublin should only be playing the Leinster Final, All Ireland semi final and final in Croke Park. Yes, the GAA may have to take a financial hit but I did see a decent alternative suggested recently where each county would play a League game in Croke Park and then play 3 home and 3 away. This would also negate the advantage of teams possibly having 4 home fixtures every second year.
2. Increase the number of GDMs in each county. The funding should now be available to do that and I would start with the Division 3 and 4 teams immediately. My own club pay a local coach to go into the school one day a week but should we need to fund this?
3. Put in place a commercial manager/CEO for each county a la John Costello in Dublin. The GAA have been forking out millions in bailing out poorly managed counties. Put 32 men in place with commercial acumen, one in each county, at a cost of 100k per year and set them targets. Within two to three years, they should all be easily repaying the 3.2 million they cost collectively.
Intercounty teams are now multi million euro companies. The days of the likes of John the baker attempting to run this because everyone likes him need to end.
4. Pool all sponsorship money and distribute it based on key metrics for each county.
5. Ensure each county has the funding for a squad of 45 players. Travel and other related expenses should come from a centralised pot rather than counties attempting to fund them. Even if some of these 45 never play for the county team, they will be training at a higher level and bringing the knowledge they gain back to their own club teams.

Both sides of the argument are coming out with some ridiculous points to be honest but I think the above would at least start to address the issues. This argument that, ah well, other counties need to get their affairs in order is beyond annoying. Dublin were pumped with cash so it was easy to get their affairs in order. You can argue it all you like but the facts are there.

Compare them to my own county Cavan for example. We had to cut panel members at the start of this year to save on costs. At the moment, we're raffling houses to try and get the funds together for a centre of excellence, whereas Dublin have plans for two!

We were only the third county to put in place a full time strength and conditioning coach for all levels of our intercounty setup in early 2019 but Dublin have had one for near a decade.

Our county board chairman is a successful business man, which is the right way to go with these appointments, but he is trying to juggle running a multi million euro electrical business with the county board.

There's no reason to drag Dublin down but it's clear work needs to be done to drag the others up to their level. Dublin won the AI final yesterday without even playing well by their standards.

ooter wrote: »

Champo is where it's at, Dublin senior hurling is at 0% in that regard.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

So twice a day collective training? Do you seriously think that's an option for bigger sized counties especially counties who have half their players living OUTSIDE the county?

olestoepoke wrote: »

I already said "great work thanks"

ooter wrote: »

Senior hurlers have won nothing, it's still dead.

threeball wrote: »

But but but. You get presented with facts and when you don't like them you look for another excuse. Your underage hurlers are competitive. The reason your hurlers aren't is down to your senior footballers. Its no one else's fault. Bring back O Callagahan, kilkenny, Connolly and others and you'd have given leinster a good rattle.