Bass Reeves wrote: » Bryan Fenton is 27 with the professional process in Dublin and adapting his role he could pay into his mid thirties similar to what you see some rugby players do. .
Enquiring wrote: » Were you not demanding some data about Dublin's finances a few pages back? I've provided it for you. I did put a wrning that it is uncomfortable reading for some at the start.
Enquiring wrote: » ****WARNING**** THIS POST CONTAINS FACTS THAT SOME WILL FIND UNCOMFORTABLE.Stadium redevelopment Croke Park - Dublin senior footballers home ground - 265,000,000Dublin Games Development fund * Unfortunately there is no data available for pre 2005Sponsors 2015 - 1,191,200 2016 - 1,505,106Dublin team expenses 2015 - 1,558,075 2016 - 1,514,394Administration expenses 2015 - 974,444 2016 - 1,126,933Strategic review committee Income 2015 - 2,592,533 2016 - 2,774,233 Wages and salaries 2015 - 2,117,237 2016 - 2,193,299 Other expenses 2015 - 870,578 2016 - 1,146,419Purchase of Spawell - 9,000,000Purchase of Hollystown golf club - ? More than 10 million?Data comparing titles won in Dublin GAA pre and post funding:Prediction - Abuse and tons of deflection on the way but no actual discussion of any of the above.
tritium wrote: » Money has always been a factor. It’s a bit like Chelsea complaining that Man City have so much money. And before then United complained that Chelsea had so much money. And on and on it goes....
Did you smash it wrote: » If Dublin are split into 4 or 3, where are the teams going to play?
threeball wrote: » Data above shows your hurlers are up about 400% in titles since funding so hardly no return.
ooter wrote: » Pat Gilroy was on TSG a few weeks ago and said the DCB offered to lend their learnings over the last 15+ years to the other counties in Leinster and zero took them up on their offer. I'm all for your suggestion but a lot of counties won't like what they hear.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Yep and that's the other massive advantage enjoyed by Dublin, their players living in Dublin. Very few if any other counties enjoys that advantage. Also free centres of excellence and a free stadium. They must enjoy about 8 clear advantages over others which have been widened the more professional and well funded their setup has been.
olestoepoke wrote: » Great work thanks, could do with some sources to prove you didn't make it all up this morning though. Also are you really counting the development of Croke Park? Your argument would be far more credible if you deleted that user nonsense from it.
JeffKenna wrote: » Must be kinda sad for the players in a way. They put in a lot of effort and it's all overshadowed by money.
Enquiring wrote: » The GAA annual accounts and the Dublin county board accounts 2016 released by St Sylvesters GAA club are the sources. I put Croke Park in to counteract the ridiculous deflection of pointing at other counties getting money for stadiums. Saves someone from replying with that whataboutery.
Bass Reeves wrote: » This came up recently in a conversation aside from distances players in other counties have to travel to and from training some also work outside there counties that add hours to training schedules. The demand for strength and conditioning training now means that aside from 3-4 training session most players must complete 2-4gym as we as recovery sessions. Some players in counties outside Dublin will travel 30-60 minutes each way to these and that is provided that they can do these at a local gym or pool as opposed to at county facilities.
ooter wrote: » A shocking waste of money on the hurling side of things, it's beyond me why Dublin don't just go all in on football. Loads of other counties focus on 1 code over the other and nobody bats an eyelid.
olestoepoke wrote: » Ok so you agree that putting the Croker development in was ridiculous?
ooter wrote: » Doesn't seem to be doing Limerick any harm.
Cavan_King wrote: » I still don't understand why this topic generates such a polar opposite in opinions - surely there's some middle ground. I don't want to see Dublin split in two but I think its clear that work needs to be done to redistribute the capital that was pumped into Dublin over the past decade. Dublin have their own advantages that can't be addressed: 1. Their population - which I don't see as big a problem as some others (take soccer as an example, small countries like Croatia (4 million) & Belgium (11 million) over performing based on small populations with proper structure and funding in place). 2. The location - Jack McCaffrey even said the Dub's biggest advantage is all their players live, work, study in Dublin but, again, that can't be changed. 3. Expenses - is linked to the above but Dublin are always going to have minimal travel expenses etc. compared to other counties. For many counties, this appears to be their main expense. However, there are issues which can easily be addressed: 1. Croke Park being their home ground now - Dublin should only be playing the Leinster Final, All Ireland semi final and final in Croke Park. Yes, the GAA may have to take a financial hit but I did see a decent alternative suggested recently where each county would play a League game in Croke Park and then play 3 home and 3 away. This would also negate the advantage of teams possibly having 4 home fixtures every second year. 2. Increase the number of GDMs in each county. The funding should now be available to do that and I would start with the Division 3 and 4 teams immediately. My own club pay a local coach to go into the school one day a week but should we need to fund this? 3. Put in place a commercial manager/CEO for each county a la John Costello in Dublin. The GAA have been forking out millions in bailing out poorly managed counties. Put 32 men in place with commercial acumen, one in each county, at a cost of 100k per year and set them targets. Within two to three years, they should all be easily repaying the 3.2 million they cost collectively. Intercounty teams are now multi million euro companies. The days of the likes of John the baker attempting to run this because everyone likes him need to end. 4. Pool all sponsorship money and distribute it based on key metrics for each county. 5. Ensure each county has the funding for a squad of 45 players. Travel and other related expenses should come from a centralised pot rather than counties attempting to fund them. Even if some of these 45 never play for the county team, they will be training at a higher level and bringing the knowledge they gain back to their own club teams. Both sides of the argument are coming out with some ridiculous points to be honest but I think the above would at least start to address the issues. This argument that, ah well, other counties need to get their affairs in order is beyond annoying. Dublin were pumped with cash so it was easy to get their affairs in order. You can argue it all you like but the facts are there. Compare them to my own county Cavan for example. We had to cut panel members at the start of this year to save on costs. At the moment, we're raffling houses to try and get the funds together for a centre of excellence, whereas Dublin have plans for two! We were only the third county to put in place a full time strength and conditioning coach for all levels of our intercounty setup in early 2019 but Dublin have had one for near a decade. Our county board chairman is a successful business man, which is the right way to go with these appointments, but he is trying to juggle running a multi million euro electrical business with the county board. There's no reason to drag Dublin down but it's clear work needs to be done to drag the others up to their level. Dublin won the AI final yesterday without even playing well by their standards.
Cavan_King wrote: » I’m out lads. I posted the above, which I thought might generate some reasoned debate, and the only response was someone posting against Cavan’s centre of excellence - nothing about Dublin’s actual dominance and how to address it. Yet there was ten plus pages of drivel posted last night where people discussed topics like the famine and landlords. It looks like both sides would just prefer to talk ****e than address the key issues and suggest some resolutions!
ooter wrote: » Champo is where it's at, Dublin senior hurling is at 0% in that regard.
Enquiring wrote: » Of course! I've told you why I put it in there. The money for stadiums defence is nonsense. Now, any comments on the rest of the post?
tobefrank321 wrote: » So twice a day collective training? Do you seriously think that's an option for bigger sized counties especially counties who have half their players living OUTSIDE the county?
CorkRed93 wrote: » Can you read that chart that has layed it out for you what they've won since 2000? Dublin hurling upto 2000 = DEAD
olestoepoke wrote: » I already said "great work thanks"
munster87 wrote: » Because the interest in hurling is there judging by the numbers now playing it in Dublin
ooter wrote: » Senior hurlers have won nothing, it's still dead.
threeball wrote: » But but but. You get presented with facts and when you don't like them you look for another excuse. Your underage hurlers are competitive. The reason your hurlers aren't is down to your senior footballers. Its no one else's fault. Bring back O Callagahan, kilkenny, Connolly and others and you'd have given leinster a good rattle.
Cavan_King wrote: » However, there are issues which can easily be addressed: 1. Croke Park being their home ground now - Dublin should only be playing the Leinster Final, All Ireland semi final and final in Croke Park. Yes, the GAA may have to take a financial hit but I did see a decent alternative suggested recently where each county would play a League game in Croke Park and then play 3 home and 3 away. This would also negate the advantage of teams possibly having 4 home fixtures every second year. 2. Increase the number of GDMs in each county. The funding should now be available to do that and I would start with the Division 3 and 4 teams immediately. My own club pay a local coach to go into the school one day a week but should we need to fund this? 3. Put in place a commercial manager/CEO for each county a la John Costello in Dublin. The GAA have been forking out millions in bailing out poorly managed counties. Put 32 men in place with commercial acumen, one in each county, at a cost of 100k per year and set them targets. Within two to three years, they should all be easily repaying the 3.2 million they cost collectively. Intercounty teams are now multi million euro companies. The days of the likes of John the baker attempting to run this because everyone likes him need to end.
4. Pool all sponsorship money and distribute it based on key metrics for each county. 5. Ensure each county has the funding for a squad of 45 players. Travel and other related expenses should come from a centralised pot rather than counties attempting to fund them. Even if some of these 45 never play for the county team, they will be training at a higher level and bringing the knowledge they gain back to their own club teams. Both sides of the argument are coming out with some ridiculous points to be honest but I think the above would at least start to address the issues. This argument that, ah well, other counties need to get their affairs in order is beyond annoying. Dublin were pumped with cash so it was easy to get their affairs in order. You can argue it all you like but the facts are there.
threeball wrote: » Twice a day training isn't possible for any truly amateur player regardless of whether they live outside the county or across the road from the stadium. Asking any county to replicate it just shows how ridiculous the notion is
