Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

20-12-2020 10:22AM

Trampas wrote: »

Philly said mayo wanted murchan to do elf on the shelf for them but he said no

And murchin said, “with Philly, someone else is always to blame”. Telling

awaywithyou · 20-12-2020 10:37AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I said earlier that this did not feel like that disappointing of a loss.

But fcuk it I'm pissed off now.

Not for this loss in particular but for the constant year after year after year year getting to finals only to be meeting the best team of a generation against you.

I know getting to finals is good and you can't win them if you're not in them, and that you have to beat the best, but for once it would be great for Mayo to catch a break and face something other than a great team in a final.

I look at Cork in 2010 as an example.
Five years in a row they lost to Kerry in either the SF or final, and then eventually with Kerry beaten in a QF they get to play and beat Down in a final.
Same goes for Galway in 98, they only had to deal with Kildare.
Even Kerry's solitary win in the 2010s did not involve them playing Dublin.

And don't any one mention. Donegal in 2012, they were a once in a generation machine.

As McStay said, we have never been favorite.

I'd just love to see some year Dublin get beaten an Mayo take advantage and win it out over someone way over their heads.

Mayo will win an all-ireland within 10years possibly 5.... stephen coen wil be captain..

wirelessdude01 · 20-12-2020 10:40AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't know about that. Mayo are just missing that cuteness shot selection it can be learnt. If they find two-three clinical forwards to what they already have.
Mayo are a team that are almost there. They work like dogs and are a fit as anything. But even the fittest teams need a bench. If I was the Mayo CB I would be scouring the country for any quality forward. Not just from Mayo but other counties. It would transform Mayo. Two/three quality forwards. Mayo way too dependant on C'OConnor. Plus Aiden O'Shea seems to be living on reputation alone imo.

Interesting you mention scouring the country, I know representations were made to the Basquel boys over a number of years when they weren't getting near the Dublin panel but flying at club level.

AidoEirE · 20-12-2020 11:02AM

Lads ye were well in the game for a solid 60mins, was always going to be a tough game. Should be proud of the boys that played yesterday. Some of the best up and coming players in the country ye have, disappointing for sure but keep the chin up. Future looks good for this mayo side.

irishgeo · 20-12-2020 11:49AM

I think most mayo fans were hoping for a win rather than expecting one.

But with some good up and coming players in the squad who will have learned a lot about how to play in an all Ireland final and what it takes to win. You can't switch off and happened for the 2nd goal and players like Conroy will have learned a lot.

The short turnaround till the next season might mean a few sticking around and no retirements.

Anyone know what the semi finals line up is?

It was supposed to Ulster for us this season but was changed to Munster so I'm assuming it's Leinster for 2021.

km79 · 20-12-2020 11:52AM

irishgeo wrote: »

I think most mayo fans were hoping for a win rather than expecting one.

But with some good up and coming players in the squad who will have learned a lot about how to play in an all Ireland final and what it takes to win. You can't switch off and happened for the 2nd goal and players like Conroy will have learned a lot.

The short turnaround till the next season might mean a few sticking around and no retirements.

Anyone know what the semi finals line up is?

It was supposed to Ulster for us this season but was changed to Munster so I'm assuming it's Leinster for 2021.

Yes I think it’s Leinster

homewardbound11 · 20-12-2020 12:20PM

2021. Got to look forward and little time to iron out the frailties we have .

Got to win Connaught again and then an almighty heave to oust the dubs next year .

Yesterday is now over and we have more learned than last years semifinal . We have no excuses as the better team won . Well move on and focus on 2021z

Achebe · 20-12-2020 12:28PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

The Mayo egos still seem massively overinflated. Are they hailed as heroes wherever they go in Mayo?

Would love to know what happened in the tunnel but mayo, again Mayo are wound up like a tight spring and choke bad, seem to be the aggressors all the time, there just seems to be such a lack of humility and no keeping egos in check.

Fitzsimons should've been sent off tonight. Awful tackle/assault. That said I am delighted Lee Keegan will never see an All Ireland medal for his GPS cheating, an embarrassment to your county and the GAA in general, a long term ban for bringing the game into disrepute at the very least for that. The desperation, egos, underhanded play and most of all this sense of entitlement of winning an AI seem to be your biggest obstacles.

Best of luck next year, you've a few promising players.

Lee Keegan has an All Ireland medal.

Speakerboxx · 20-12-2020 12:36PM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Mayo will win an all-ireland within 10years possibly 5.... stephen coen wil be captain..

Thats Mayos 10th All Ireland loss since 1989. I really don't know how you guys keep going. You are a great bunch of supporters i must say. Surely one day this will soon end. They will be a film made if they ever reach the holy grail.

CorkFenian · 20-12-2020 12:41PM

Saw the first few lines of Joe Brollys article today, don't buy Sunday Independent anymore anyone able to copy and paste it up here

Couldnt believe it when I heard he actually lives in Ballina in Mayo especially after his dire article on life coaching during the year attacked a ballina based life coach!!!!

wirelessdude01 · 20-12-2020 12:45PM

Brolly is the shock jock of GAA. I pay zero attention to anything he says or does now. An empty vessel and all that jazz.

naughto · 20-12-2020 12:48PM

I dont see us winning for a few yrs the new lads need time and serious strength and conditioning which they will get.
We are a team in transition and with more to come some will definitely leave and will need to be replaced which starts the whole thing off again.

Did we hear if durcan was injured before the game cos he definitely wasn't him self or did it happen on the pitch??

Higgins5473 · 20-12-2020 12:51PM

CorkFenian wrote: »

Saw the first few lines of Joe Brollys article today, don't buy Sunday Independent anymore anyone able to copy and paste it up here

Very good article, a lot truth in it.

December 19 2020 09:58 PM

Dublin are all the things that are good about life and sport... Mayo are doomed until their celebrity culture is banished

Joe Brolly

Did you hear the one about Santa and the Mayo youngster?
Santa: What would you like for Christmas little one?
Child: A unicorn.
Santa: Ah come on, be realistic. Choose something else.
Child: Mayo to win Sam.
Santa: What colour unicorn would you like?

In the 50th minute Cillian O’Connor scored a simple free to bring Mayo level at 2-8 to 0-14. The rest was Dublin time. Paul Mannion and Brian Howard had come on. They went to battle speed and you know the rest.
David Hickey said on Saturday morning that he had "no time for this Mayo team, they are a tragic outfit. They win All-Star awards and Player of the Year awards and all that sort of crap. Dublin win All-Irelands."
Mayo have now played in five All-Ireland finals since 2012 and lost all five. The team embodies the culture of the individual that is at the heart of Mayo's dysfunction.
Pat Gilroy, who watched the game with me, had a simple mission statement when he took over Dublin, who were at that time very similar to this Mayo group.

"If you are not completely happy to sacrifice yourself for the team, find another pastime."
The group talked about this incessantly. Gilroy ruthlessly culled those players who set themselves above the group. It was, as he says, nothing personal.
"They just weren’t suited to serving a cause. It was not their fault. But they could not be accommodated. Otherwise, it is like a cancer. Leave even a little bit of it in and it will spread and eventually kill the culture," he said.
When Darren Coen came on in the last quarter and kicked several pot-shots into Stephen Cluxton's hands and all over the place, Gilroy nodded at me and pointed. “There you have it, Joe. There you have it.”
Aidan O'Shea, for example, was anonymous again, but this is not his fault. He is not built to serve a cause. A lovely, personable lad he is, but a serious footballer he is not.
Like a number of others in this group, he succumbed at an early stage in his career to what Hickey calls "the curse of individuality".
James Horan has a charmed group of untouchables. This is corrosive to the culture.

The others feel they are dispensable and when they are unable to logically justify the disparity in treatment, they become aggrieved, the bonds of togetherness essential for serious success are not forged and the project is doomed.
It would be patronising and dishonest to say Mayo played bravely and were only beaten by the greatest team the game has ever seen.
In 2012, they were crushed by Donegal. In 2014, by a very young Kerry team who galloped through them in the semi-final replay. Kildare beat them in 2018. They shook their heads and refused to go to war in the dying moments against Dublin in 2015, 2016 and 2017.
This group is doomed and will not win an All-Ireland until the celebrity culture is banished by a manager who is not himself a part of the celebrity culture.
Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly tried but were ejected after one season by a coup spearheaded by the charmed inner circle. Stephen Rochford brought them closer than anyone with the excellence of his coaching.
But they were doomed to fail, inevitably losing out when it came to the crunch, because Rochford did not have the courage to take on the problem.
Instead, the players quietly got rid of him after three seasons, preferring to go back to the comfort of their first coach. Things would be just the way they liked them under Horan.

Another three years of plucky failures, plenty of commercial opportunities, lots of TV time and a smattering of All-Star awards.
Dublin were scatty on Saturday and by their standards poor in the first half. Cluxton’s kick-out was disastrous. He took six long ones, losing all six.
He kicked one too short which was thrown up, then almost gifted Mayo a goal with a kamikaze short one.
Even at half pace, Dublin reached half-time two up, courtesy of an easy training ground goal after 13 seconds and an astounding second goal from Con O’Callaghan, which underlined his all-round magnificence.
The second half was depressing. Dublin's culture meant victory was inevitable and an easy victory at that.
This Mayo group truly does not understand the joy of football, which is all in the journey, not in the anti-climax of a victory.
They are a team that does not operate in the real world. They do not face the truth and deal with it.

Instead, they are happy with the instant gratification that comes from awards and a victory here and there. A league title. A Connacht title.

Dublin, meanwhile, are all the things that are good about life and sport. Like the All Blacks, they serve something bigger than themselves. They have total respect for the game and the opposition.
They do everything in their body to achieve the perfect performance. The needs of others are considered ahead of their own. It is inspiring and humbling. They provide us with a guidebook not just for sport, but life.
We are lucky to have them, this special, devoted, selfless collective, where the team is the star and tik tok is the sound of a clock.
Online Editors

Rock and O'Callaghan goals key as Dublin's history-makers overcome battling Mayo to make it six-in-a-row

Gaelic Football

franklyon · 20-12-2020 12:56PM

naughto wrote: »

Did we hear if durcan was injured before the game cos he definitely wasn't him self or did it happen on the pitch??

Happened first few minutes of game according to Horan, felt something go in his quad first run he made

20-12-2020 01:06PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Very good article, a lot truth in it.

December 19 2020 09:58 PM

Dublin are all the things that are good about life and sport... Mayo are doomed until their celebrity culture is banished

Joe Brolly

Did you hear the one about Santa and the Mayo youngster?
Santa: What would you like for Christmas little one?
Child: A unicorn.
Santa: Ah come on, be realistic. Choose something else.
Child: Mayo to win Sam.
Santa: What colour unicorn would you like?

In the 50th minute Cillian O’Connor scored a simple free to bring Mayo level at 2-8 to 0-14. The rest was Dublin time. Paul Mannion and Brian Howard had come on. They went to battle speed and you know the rest.
David Hickey said on Saturday morning that he had "no time for this Mayo team, they are a tragic outfit. They win All-Star awards and Player of the Year awards and all that sort of crap. Dublin win All-Irelands."
Mayo have now played in five All-Ireland finals since 2012 and lost all five. The team embodies the culture of the individual that is at the heart of Mayo's dysfunction.
Pat Gilroy, who watched the game with me, had a simple mission statement when he took over Dublin, who were at that time very similar to this Mayo group.

"If you are not completely happy to sacrifice yourself for the team, find another pastime."
The group talked about this incessantly. Gilroy ruthlessly culled those players who set themselves above the group. It was, as he says, nothing personal.
"They just weren’t suited to serving a cause. It was not their fault. But they could not be accommodated. Otherwise, it is like a cancer. Leave even a little bit of it in and it will spread and eventually kill the culture," he said.
When Darren Coen came on in the last quarter and kicked several pot-shots into Stephen Cluxton's hands and all over the place, Gilroy nodded at me and pointed. “There you have it, Joe. There you have it.”
Aidan O'Shea, for example, was anonymous again, but this is not his fault. He is not built to serve a cause. A lovely, personable lad he is, but a serious footballer he is not.
Like a number of others in this group, he succumbed at an early stage in his career to what Hickey calls "the curse of individuality".
James Horan has a charmed group of untouchables. This is corrosive to the culture.

The others feel they are dispensable and when they are unable to logically justify the disparity in treatment, they become aggrieved, the bonds of togetherness essential for serious success are not forged and the project is doomed.
It would be patronising and dishonest to say Mayo played bravely and were only beaten by the greatest team the game has ever seen.
In 2012, they were crushed by Donegal. In 2014, by a very young Kerry team who galloped through them in the semi-final replay. Kildare beat them in 2018. They shook their heads and refused to go to war in the dying moments against Dublin in 2015, 2016 and 2017.
This group is doomed and will not win an All-Ireland until the celebrity culture is banished by a manager who is not himself a part of the celebrity culture.
Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly tried but were ejected after one season by a coup spearheaded by the charmed inner circle. Stephen Rochford brought them closer than anyone with the excellence of his coaching.
But they were doomed to fail, inevitably losing out when it came to the crunch, because Rochford did not have the courage to take on the problem.
Instead, the players quietly got rid of him after three seasons, preferring to go back to the comfort of their first coach. Things would be just the way they liked them under Horan.

Another three years of plucky failures, plenty of commercial opportunities, lots of TV time and a smattering of All-Star awards.
Dublin were scatty on Saturday and by their standards poor in the first half. Cluxton’s kick-out was disastrous. He took six long ones, losing all six.
He kicked one too short which was thrown up, then almost gifted Mayo a goal with a kamikaze short one.
Even at half pace, Dublin reached half-time two up, courtesy of an easy training ground goal after 13 seconds and an astounding second goal from Con O’Callaghan, which underlined his all-round magnificence.
The second half was depressing. Dublin's culture meant victory was inevitable and an easy victory at that.
This Mayo group truly does not understand the joy of football, which is all in the journey, not in the anti-climax of a victory.
They are a team that does not operate in the real world. They do not face the truth and deal with it.

Instead, they are happy with the instant gratification that comes from awards and a victory here and there. A league title. A Connacht title.

Dublin, meanwhile, are all the things that are good about life and sport. Like the All Blacks, they serve something bigger than themselves. They have total respect for the game and the opposition.
They do everything in their body to achieve the perfect performance. The needs of others are considered ahead of their own. It is inspiring and humbling. They provide us with a guidebook not just for sport, but life.
We are lucky to have them, this special, devoted, selfless collective, where the team is the star and tik tok is the sound of a clock.
Online Editors

Rock and O'Callaghan goals key as Dublin's history-makers overcome battling Mayo to make it six-in-a-row

Gaelic Football

What a dick. Copy and paste from any other year, completely ignoring that most of the team have moved on, and of those that remain, the likes of Clarke, Barrett and KMc are hardly ever in the limelight. OShea, C OConnor and keegan are the only remaining players with any profile outside of the county

WesternZulu · 20-12-2020 01:08PM

That Joe Brolly article is an abomination.

I don't think there is any celebrity culture in the Mayo squad. His comments about AOS are not backed up with any evidence.

He goes on about celebrity and individuality and doesn't mention lads Bernard Brogan or MDMA who courted the media a lot more than AOS ever has.

WesternZulu · 20-12-2020 01:13PM

WesternZulu wrote: »

That Joe Brolly article is an abomination.

I don't think there is any celebrity culture in the Mayo squad. His comments about AOS are not backed up with any evidence.

He goes on about celebrity and individuality and doesn't mention lads Bernard Brogan or MDMA who courted the media a lot more than AOS ever has.

Just to add to my point. The article is so ill informed that it would make you angry.

It was the county board who got rid of Rockford not the players but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant Joe.

franklyon · 20-12-2020 01:16PM

Completely over the top that excuse for journalism. Going toe to toe with that Dublin team for 60 minutes before running out of steam is hardly a disgrace.

Higgins5473 · 20-12-2020 01:22PM

WesternZulu wrote: »

Just to add to my point. The article is so ill informed that it would make you angry.

It was the county board who got rid of Rockford not the players but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant Joe.

Obviously any appointment or dismissal will come from the county board officially but the suggestion by Brolly is that the players have too much clout, power and influence to the point that the county board will do what they tell them to do.

olestoepoke · 20-12-2020 01:22PM

Mayo_fan wrote: »

He is living in ballina because his wife caught him cheating and threw him out. Yet he’ll print garbage each week about things like how pure Derry football is and we should all seek to live up to both theirs and his high moral and ethical standards. Two faced comes to mind

I thought he was spot on myself. Great insight, great article.

20-12-2020 01:23PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Obviously any appointment or dismissal will come from the county board officially but the suggestion by Brolly is that the players have too much clout, power and influence to the point that the county board will do what they tell them to do.

That’s why higgins, parsons, Boyle etc were all playing this year instead of younger lads is it

naughto · 20-12-2020 01:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s why higgins, parsons, Boyle etc were all playing this year instead of younger lads is it

Higgins got 5mins in the galway game parsons the same boyler hasn't being seen since march your talking through your hole

WesternZulu · 20-12-2020 01:26PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Obviously any appointment or dismissal will come from the county board officially but the suggestion by Brolly is that the players have too much clout, power and influence to the point that the county board will do what they tell them to do.

I don't think there is much evidence that the players have too much power. Brolly is only trying to feed into the narrative that AOS and COC amongst others rule the roost when there is very little to suggest that's the case.

crossman47 · 20-12-2020 01:27PM

naughto wrote: »

Higgins got 5mins in the galway game parsons the same boyler hasn't being seen since march your talking through your hole

I think your sarcasm gene has taken a holiday.

WesternZulu · 20-12-2020 01:27PM

olestoepoke wrote: »

I thought he was spot on myself. Great insight, great article.

What were the insights you thought were great because from what I read it was an opinion piece rather than offering any real analysis?

Higgins5473 · 20-12-2020 01:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s why higgins, parsons, Boyle etc were all playing this year instead of younger lads is it

Tell that to Brolly

https://twitter.com/joebrolly1993?s=21

I was just explaining to the poster what he was suggesting in the article when he said the players got rid of Rochford.

Higgins5473 · 20-12-2020 01:34PM

irishgeo wrote: »

You and brolly have no clue what goes on in the mayo squad and between the county board officials.

You nothing better to do than troll and a mayo GAA thread.

As I’ve said, tell that Brolly. You are correct, I have absolutely no clue what goes on in the Mayo squad and between the county board officials. I was not expressing an opinion I was explaining what BROLLY was SUGGESTING when the he said the players got rid of Rochford. We all clear on this now?

polarbearhead · 20-12-2020 01:35PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I said earlier that this did not feel like that disappointing of a loss.

But fcuk it I'm pissed off now.

Not for this loss in particular but for the constant year after year after year year getting to finals only to be meeting the best team of a generation against you.

I know getting to finals is good and you can't win them if you're not in them, and that you have to beat the best, but for once it would be great for Mayo to catch a break and face something other than a great team in a final.

I look at Cork in 2010 as an example.
Five years in a row they lost to Kerry in either the SF or final, and then eventually with Kerry beaten in a QF they get to play and beat Down in a final.
Same goes for Galway in 98, they only had to deal with Kildare.
Even Kerry's solitary win in the 2010s did not involve them playing Dublin.

And don't any one mention. Donegal in 2012, they were a once in a generation machine.

As McStay said, we have never been favorite.

I'd just love to see some year Dublin get beaten an Mayo take advantage and win it out over someone way over their heads.

You cannot diminish other counties successes to excuse Mayos failures. Mayo should have at least 5 all ireland's since '89.
Galway in' 98 went to Castlebar and won against a Mayo team that had contested the 2 previous finals. Beat a heavily fancied Derry in the semi final and came from 4 points down at half time against a Kildare team who had defeated the reigning all Ireland champions in their semi. Galway then backed it up by winning again in 2001(also threw away the 2000 final)

Hammer Archer · 20-12-2020 01:38PM

Mod: Higgins5473, don't post in the Mayo thread (or any future iterations) again.

WesternZulu · 20-12-2020 01:43PM

polarbearhead wrote: »

You cannot diminish other counties successes to excuse Mayos failures. Mayo should have at least 5 all ireland's since '89.
Galway in' 98 went to Castlebar and won against a Mayo team that had contested the 2 previous finals. Beat a heavily fancied Derry in the semi final and came from 4 points down at half time against a Kildare team who had defeated the reigning all Ireland champions in their semi. Galway then backed it up by winning again in 2001(also threw away the 2000 final)

Let's be honest here, they were extremely lucky to come out against Mayo in 1998 with a win. If I remember correctly KMcD had a goal chance that came off the crossbar down onto the line.

They were favourites against Derry and bet a very limited Kildare team who had done very little before 1998 and did very little of note after 1998.

No one is diminishing their success though. They won and won in style in 1998. I think the point was that Mayo could really do with coming up against a Kildare or a Down in a final - i.e. counties that probably weren't expecting to get that far. Fair play to Galway, while 1998 may have been fortunate they got to another final in 2000 and won in 2001 so they were a great team. In truth I'm very jealous of what they achieved in a brief spell.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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