irishgeo wrote: » I think most mayo fans were hoping for a win rather than expecting one. But with some good up and coming players in the squad who will have learned a lot about how to play in an all Ireland final and what it takes to win. You can't switch off and happened for the 2nd goal and players like Conroy will have learned a lot. The short turnaround till the next season might mean a few sticking around and no retirements. Anyone know what the semi finals line up is? It was supposed to Ulster for us this season but was changed to Munster so I'm assuming it's Leinster for 2021.
Higgins5473 wrote: » The Mayo egos still seem massively overinflated. Are they hailed as heroes wherever they go in Mayo? Would love to know what happened in the tunnel but mayo, again Mayo are wound up like a tight spring and choke bad, seem to be the aggressors all the time, there just seems to be such a lack of humility and no keeping egos in check. Fitzsimons should've been sent off tonight. Awful tackle/assault. That said I am delighted Lee Keegan will never see an All Ireland medal for his GPS cheating, an embarrassment to your county and the GAA in general, a long term ban for bringing the game into disrepute at the very least for that. The desperation, egos, underhanded play and most of all this sense of entitlement of winning an AI seem to be your biggest obstacles. Best of luck next year, you've a few promising players.
awaywithyou wrote: » Mayo will win an all-ireland within 10years possibly 5.... stephen coen wil be captain..
CorkFenian wrote: » Saw the first few lines of Joe Brollys article today, don't buy Sunday Independent anymore anyone able to copy and paste it up here
naughto wrote: » Did we hear if durcan was injured before the game cos he definitely wasn't him self or did it happen on the pitch??
Higgins5473 wrote: » Very good article, a lot truth in it. December 19 2020 09:58 PM Dublin are all the things that are good about life and sport... Mayo are doomed until their celebrity culture is banished Joe Brolly Did you hear the one about Santa and the Mayo youngster? Santa: What would you like for Christmas little one? Child: A unicorn. Santa: Ah come on, be realistic. Choose something else. Child: Mayo to win Sam. Santa: What colour unicorn would you like? In the 50th minute Cillian O’Connor scored a simple free to bring Mayo level at 2-8 to 0-14. The rest was Dublin time. Paul Mannion and Brian Howard had come on. They went to battle speed and you know the rest. David Hickey said on Saturday morning that he had "no time for this Mayo team, they are a tragic outfit. They win All-Star awards and Player of the Year awards and all that sort of crap. Dublin win All-Irelands." Mayo have now played in five All-Ireland finals since 2012 and lost all five. The team embodies the culture of the individual that is at the heart of Mayo's dysfunction. Pat Gilroy, who watched the game with me, had a simple mission statement when he took over Dublin, who were at that time very similar to this Mayo group. "If you are not completely happy to sacrifice yourself for the team, find another pastime." The group talked about this incessantly. Gilroy ruthlessly culled those players who set themselves above the group. It was, as he says, nothing personal. "They just weren’t suited to serving a cause. It was not their fault. But they could not be accommodated. Otherwise, it is like a cancer. Leave even a little bit of it in and it will spread and eventually kill the culture," he said. When Darren Coen came on in the last quarter and kicked several pot-shots into Stephen Cluxton's hands and all over the place, Gilroy nodded at me and pointed. “There you have it, Joe. There you have it.” Aidan O'Shea, for example, was anonymous again, but this is not his fault. He is not built to serve a cause. A lovely, personable lad he is, but a serious footballer he is not. Like a number of others in this group, he succumbed at an early stage in his career to what Hickey calls "the curse of individuality". James Horan has a charmed group of untouchables. This is corrosive to the culture. The others feel they are dispensable and when they are unable to logically justify the disparity in treatment, they become aggrieved, the bonds of togetherness essential for serious success are not forged and the project is doomed. It would be patronising and dishonest to say Mayo played bravely and were only beaten by the greatest team the game has ever seen. In 2012, they were crushed by Donegal. In 2014, by a very young Kerry team who galloped through them in the semi-final replay. Kildare beat them in 2018. They shook their heads and refused to go to war in the dying moments against Dublin in 2015, 2016 and 2017. This group is doomed and will not win an All-Ireland until the celebrity culture is banished by a manager who is not himself a part of the celebrity culture. Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly tried but were ejected after one season by a coup spearheaded by the charmed inner circle. Stephen Rochford brought them closer than anyone with the excellence of his coaching. But they were doomed to fail, inevitably losing out when it came to the crunch, because Rochford did not have the courage to take on the problem. Instead, the players quietly got rid of him after three seasons, preferring to go back to the comfort of their first coach. Things would be just the way they liked them under Horan. Another three years of plucky failures, plenty of commercial opportunities, lots of TV time and a smattering of All-Star awards. Dublin were scatty on Saturday and by their standards poor in the first half. Cluxton’s kick-out was disastrous. He took six long ones, losing all six. He kicked one too short which was thrown up, then almost gifted Mayo a goal with a kamikaze short one. Even at half pace, Dublin reached half-time two up, courtesy of an easy training ground goal after 13 seconds and an astounding second goal from Con O’Callaghan, which underlined his all-round magnificence. The second half was depressing. Dublin's culture meant victory was inevitable and an easy victory at that. This Mayo group truly does not understand the joy of football, which is all in the journey, not in the anti-climax of a victory. They are a team that does not operate in the real world. They do not face the truth and deal with it. Instead, they are happy with the instant gratification that comes from awards and a victory here and there. A league title. A Connacht title. Dublin, meanwhile, are all the things that are good about life and sport. Like the All Blacks, they serve something bigger than themselves. They have total respect for the game and the opposition. They do everything in their body to achieve the perfect performance. The needs of others are considered ahead of their own. It is inspiring and humbling. They provide us with a guidebook not just for sport, but life. We are lucky to have them, this special, devoted, selfless collective, where the team is the star and tik tok is the sound of a clock. Online Editors Rock and O'Callaghan goals key as Dublin's history-makers overcome battling Mayo to make it six-in-a-row Gaelic Football
WesternZulu wrote: » That Joe Brolly article is an abomination. I don't think there is any celebrity culture in the Mayo squad. His comments about AOS are not backed up with any evidence. He goes on about celebrity and individuality and doesn't mention lads Bernard Brogan or MDMA who courted the media a lot more than AOS ever has.
WesternZulu wrote: » Just to add to my point. The article is so ill informed that it would make you angry. It was the county board who got rid of Rockford not the players but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant Joe.
Mayo_fan wrote: » He is living in ballina because his wife caught him cheating and threw him out. Yet he’ll print garbage each week about things like how pure Derry football is and we should all seek to live up to both theirs and his high moral and ethical standards. Two faced comes to mind
Higgins5473 wrote: » Obviously any appointment or dismissal will come from the county board officially but the suggestion by Brolly is that the players have too much clout, power and influence to the point that the county board will do what they tell them to do.
[Deleted User] wrote: » That’s why higgins, parsons, Boyle etc were all playing this year instead of younger lads is it
naughto wrote: » Higgins got 5mins in the galway game parsons the same boyler hasn't being seen since march your talking through your hole
olestoepoke wrote: » I thought he was spot on myself. Great insight, great article.
irishgeo wrote: » You and brolly have no clue what goes on in the mayo squad and between the county board officials. You nothing better to do than troll and a mayo GAA thread.
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » I said earlier that this did not feel like that disappointing of a loss. But fcuk it I'm pissed off now. Not for this loss in particular but for the constant year after year after year year getting to finals only to be meeting the best team of a generation against you. I know getting to finals is good and you can't win them if you're not in them, and that you have to beat the best, but for once it would be great for Mayo to catch a break and face something other than a great team in a final. I look at Cork in 2010 as an example. Five years in a row they lost to Kerry in either the SF or final, and then eventually with Kerry beaten in a QF they get to play and beat Down in a final. Same goes for Galway in 98, they only had to deal with Kildare. Even Kerry's solitary win in the 2010s did not involve them playing Dublin. And don't any one mention. Donegal in 2012, they were a once in a generation machine. As McStay said, we have never been favorite. I'd just love to see some year Dublin get beaten an Mayo take advantage and win it out over someone way over their heads.
polarbearhead wrote: » You cannot diminish other counties successes to excuse Mayos failures. Mayo should have at least 5 all ireland's since '89. Galway in' 98 went to Castlebar and won against a Mayo team that had contested the 2 previous finals. Beat a heavily fancied Derry in the semi final and came from 4 points down at half time against a Kildare team who had defeated the reigning all Ireland champions in their semi. Galway then backed it up by winning again in 2001(also threw away the 2000 final)
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » I'm not diminishing the success of Galway in 98, just pointing out that when it came to the final they were not up against either the best team of the decade (Kerry in the 00s), or the best team of the all time (Dublin).
Deleted User wrote: » What a dick. Copy and paste from any other year, completely ignoring that most of the team have moved on, and of those that remain, the likes of Clarke, Barrett and KMc are hardly ever in the limelight. OShea, C OConnor and keegan are the only remaining players with any profile outside of the county
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