Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

mightyreds · 14-12-2020 12:15PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

We managed to get a booking at a local hotel last Saturday evening.

Did the same myself went for some Christmas shopping at the weekend couldn't move in Liffey Valley SC and Stephens green SC there was that many wedged in, queues on Grafton street for the popular shops was unreal.

Headed back to the hotel about 4 the bar would serve alcohol if you had breakfast as part of your room, so I stayed for a couple of hours and headed off to get ready for dinner, at dinner there was no time limit and also no enforcement of not allowing separate tables of 6 as a party of 14 was just behind us.

Got back to the hotel at 10 for a night cap before they finished up at 11, heading back to the room there was rooms full of people having parties who had just been moved on from the bar.

boombang · 14-12-2020 01:55PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Think it depends where you go. I was in a big pub in Dun Laoghaire on Saturday night and once we'd finished the meal, it seemed pretty much like your standard 'wet' pub for the rest of the evening. Seemed to be a lot of very young wans in there who didn't seem to be eating at all.

Don't tell anyone that here. They'll just call you a liar.

Gervais08 · 14-12-2020 02:24PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why would anyone wear a mask outside??

It’s a closed over walkway, they’re practically on top of one another and 2 were walking into the shop till stopped.

weldoninhio · 14-12-2020 02:57PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

It’s a closed over walkway, they’re practically on top of one another and 2 were walking into the shop till stopped.

You have to wear a face covering on public transport or inside a retail store. No laws for anywhere else.

AdrianBalboa · 14-12-2020 03:19PM

The persecution complex on display by the drinkers in this thread is laughable. Inventing conspiracies about hoity-toity upper crust snobs gorging on fine dining while the working man can't have his pints in peace. Nobody cares if you want to poison yourselves with Guinness. Though I'm a teetotaller myself I couldn't give a monkey's about people's drinking habits.

What I am considered with, is people openly flouting regulations installed to keep more people alive until the virus is under control. A nod and a wink, microwavable sandwiches and "bienvenue mon amis" from Charles de Gaulle himself.

While it is fun to laugh at the people imagining themselves in speakeasies with Al Capone, it's very concerning to see the numbers rising and these people in particular blaming everyone else but themselves.

Sam Hain · 14-12-2020 03:21PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Went for a ramble yesterday to clear the head and curse the gastropubs when I rambled past a little snug bar I recalled from my youth. There was a smallish fella standing in the door with a shock of red hair, winking out at me.

"D'you fancy a pint?", says he. "Do I wha?!", says I.

So in I tipped while the coast was clear clear for a few oul pints of plain, bejaysus it was glorious. Ah the craic and the porter black, what a time to be alive, and nary a vol-au-vent or a gourmet burger to be seen.

Gerrup outta that, says he.

Is this story set during the Spanish Flu pandemic?

Zebra3 · 14-12-2020 03:25PM

Allinall wrote: »

So what are they trying to do?

You claimed they were trying to stop the spread of Covid.

Do you think reopening pubs will do that?

Drifter50 · 14-12-2020 05:12PM

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

The persecution complex on display by the drinkers in this thread is laughable. Inventing conspiracies about hoity-toity upper crust snobs gorging on fine dining while the working man can't have his pints in peace. Nobody cares if you want to poison yourselves with Guinness. Though I'm a teetotaller myself I couldn't give a monkey's about people's drinking habits.

What I am considered with, is people openly flouting regulations installed to keep more people alive until the virus is under control. A nod and a wink, microwavable sandwiches and "bienvenue mon amis" from Charles de Gaulle himself.

While it is fun to laugh at the people imagining themselves in speakeasies with Al Capone, it's very concerning to see the numbers rising and these people in particular blaming everyone else but themselves.

Who said anything about " the working man can`t have his pints in peace" I don`t know where you got that from, I can`t see anything here. Like in all walks of life there is a cross section of compliance with the gastro pubs that are open now. Most are very sharp, some are very lax and thats the way it is. Tis all a bit sad the way we are turning on each other but this is what Saint Tony wants so he can push through his cafe culture rubbish.

SB79 · 14-12-2020 05:56PM

Another successful weekend on the gargle, some things I've noticed, the first pub I was in which is one I'd frequent more often the garda came in twice during the night,I know one of the barman well he says they are constantly harassing them even though they are doing everything right.

The other pub the cops didn't appear once, this is a pub close to a garda station where some garda themselves drink, so selective in the pubs they are "visiting" or some might say harassing, I'll let you draw your own conclusions here.

Enjoy the pints folks 😎

boombang · 14-12-2020 05:58PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

... this is what Saint Tony wants so he can push through his cafe culture rubbish.

Dr Holohan might like to see alcohol consumption moderate in Ireland for the betterment of public health but I'm pretty sure the current measures are to combat the pandemic and not to impose sobriety on everyone.

People can do what they want to their livers after this is all over, but for now, for the common good I think it's fair that we're asked to stay out of pubs for a while. I know others don't agree.

PommieBast · 14-12-2020 06:40PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Yes, it's a coarse seive that's been used to try and limit socialising in an environment that is a high level suspect for the spread of Covid, and it's not ideal, but in theory, it has helped to reduce the numbers, and that should be a good thing.

Short of banning on-sales completely I doubt they could have come up with any alternative that was not a fudge in one way or another. Trouble is the way the summer reopening was incrementally pushed back and then giving pubs the de-facto choice between bending rules and remaining closed was only ever going to end badly.

helimachoptor · 14-12-2020 07:39PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Think it depends where you go. I was in a big pub in Dun Laoghaire on Saturday night and once we'd finished the meal, it seemed pretty much like your standard 'wet' pub for the rest of the evening. Seemed to be a lot of very young wans in there who didn't seem to be eating at all.

Was in one not far from DL, wen sunday at 2, ordered food at 6, left about 10.
Like old times tbh

boombang · 14-12-2020 11:03PM

Enzo Narrow Tannery wrote: »

The regulations on 9e meals have 0 scientific basis. "Flouting" these rules have no correlation to spread of covid.
Numbers are stable, quit the scare tactics.

I'm pretty sure the experts don't claim any scientific basis for €9 meals. I'm not sure if that's the point.

14-12-2020 11:05PM

Enzo Narrow Tannery wrote: »

The regulations on 9e meals have 0 scientific basis. "Flouting" these rules have no correlation to spread of covid.
Numbers are stable, quit the scare tactics.

Don't expect anything approaching honest debate. Retiring/socially inept sorts who don't go near pubs not having a clue what actually happens inside one (shocker), meanwhile dreaming up paranoid fantasies about secret knocks or prohibition era whimsy. The reality is somewhat more prosaic, just heading in the door and giving a place the once over. Food or no food, I haven't witnessed any shenanigans. People respectfully socially distancing and minding their own business. The way it ought to be. The only leniency has been in terms of food service with a jar, and there are now a handful of places in my home town not strictly enforcing the meal. I'm far from alone in exploiting this, and those who don't like that are well entitled to mind their own business. As you rightly point out, the "nine euro" invention has no credible basis to support it. Or why traditional pubs have been unfairly discriminated against. Only fretful homebodies who don't possess one iota about the pub setting leaning on the jaded stereotype of drunken buffoonery.

AdrianBalboa · 15-12-2020 09:22AM

Yes, we're the "socially inept" ones while this thread is page after page of people begging to go to the pubs and drink pints of gargle alone without talking to anyone. Something isn't adding up there, I'm afraid.

Let's get real here: if the pubs reopened (especially now at Christmas!) without the substantial meal levy they would be packed with pissed up revelers, bumping into each other, giving each other headlocks and spraying each other with spittle. Cases of the virus would explode and increase exponentially and our health system would collapse. That's all it is. Nobody cares if you drink, nobody cares if you're just a regular guy lookin' for a brewskie. There's no conspiracy from the upper crust to keep the common man out of their drinking holes.

All of the posters in here boasting about their "say nothin' and dere's yore change" anecdotes are just as bad as the cute hoor politicians you complain about. Bending the rules to suit your own interests, looking for loopholes, "sure it's alright if you..."

You're just as bad as them. You're hypocrites.

Oops! · 15-12-2020 09:27AM

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

Yes, we're the "socially inept" ones while this thread is page after page of people begging to go to the pubs and drink pints of gargle alone without talking to anyone. Something isn't adding up there, I'm afraid.

Let's get real here: if the pubs reopened (especially now at Christmas!) without the substantial meal levy they would be packed with pissed up revelers, bumping into each other, giving each other headlocks and spraying each other with spittle. Cases of the virus would explode and increase exponentially and our health system would collapse. That's all it is. Nobody cares if you drink, nobody cares if you're just a regular guy lookin' for a brewskie. There's no conspiracy from the upper crust to keep the common man out of their drinking holes.

All of the posters in here boasting about their "say nothin' and dere's yore change" anecdotes are just as bad as the cute hoor politicians you complain about. Bending the rules to suit your own interests, looking for loopholes, "sure it's alright if you..."

You're just as bad as them. You're hypocrites.[/QUOTE[/B]

Is'nt that what we were told at the start of all this? Life needs to go on....

SB79 · 15-12-2020 09:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't expect anything approaching honest debate. Retiring/socially inept sorts who don't go near pubs not having a clue what actually happens inside one (shocker), meanwhile dreaming up paranoid fantasies about secret knocks or prohibition era whimsy. The reality is somewhat more prosaic, just heading in the door and giving a place the once over. Food or no food, I haven't witnessed any shenanigans. People respectfully socially distancing and minding their own business. The way it ought to be. The only leniency has been in terms of food service with a jar, and there are now a handful of places in my home town not strictly enforcing the meal. I'm far from alone in exploiting this, and those who don't like that are well entitled to mind their own business. As you rightly point out, the "nine euro" invention has no credible basis to support it. Or why traditional pubs have been unfairly discriminated against. Only fretful homebodies who don't possess one iota about the pub setting leaning on the jaded stereotype of drunken buffoonery.

well said agree totally

AdrianBalboa · 15-12-2020 09:33AM

Oops! wrote: »

Is'nt that what we were told at the start of all this? Life needs to go on....

Yes it is what we were told at the start of all this. Guess what? It hasn't changed. And it won't change until we get a vaccine out in the wider public. That's life, pal.

Oops! · 15-12-2020 09:35AM

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

Yes it is what we were told at the start of all this. Guess what? It hasn't changed. And it won't change until we get a vaccine out in the wider public. That's life, pal.

If you say so....:rolleyes:

AdrianBalboa · 15-12-2020 09:37AM

Oops! wrote: »

If you say so....:rolleyes:

Yeah that's right, I do say so.

copeyhagen · 15-12-2020 09:38AM

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

Yeah that's right, I do say so.

you're coming across as a right idiot if your trying to be all high and mighty.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 15-12-2020 09:50AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

you're coming across as a right idiot if your trying to be all high and mighty.

It's the internet.

Most people come across as right idiots to someone.

hynesie08 · 15-12-2020 12:01PM

Oops! wrote: »

If you say so....:rolleyes:

Do you see them fully lifting restrictions without a majority being vaccinated?

IAMAMORON · 15-12-2020 05:30PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Do you see them fully lifting restrictions without a majority being vaccinated?

It is not a great question in fairness. I don't think they will be using the Vaccine rollout as a measurement of when they can reduce lockdown?

But the rollout of inoculations will inevitably lead to a decrease in hospital admissions and infections, when this starts materialising you will see restrictions easing.

Everyone will be back drinking and cavorting again, bring it on please.

Once the important demographies are inoculated you will see the gubbermint immediately looking for a return on their investment, that will mean getting pubs, restaurants, and other indoor venues open fully again.

It is only a matter of time now.

hynesie08 · 15-12-2020 05:49PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is not a great question in fairness. I don't think they will be using the Vaccine rollout as a measurement of when they can reduce lockdown?

But the rollout of inoculations will inevitably lead to a decrease in hospital admissions and infections, when this starts materialising you will see restrictions easing.

Everyone will be back drinking and cavorting again, bring it on please.

Once the important demographies are inoculated you will see the gubbermint immediately looking for a return on their investment, that will mean getting pubs, restaurants, and other indoor venues open fully again.

It is only a matter of time now.

I mostly agree, but I can't see the magic day when the bells of Christchurch ring and we all meet on o connell St and hug...... I think it'll very much be a slowly phased reduction in restrictions, and while I'd love to see "we're vaccinating group x, so food pubs only need 1m and pint pubs can open with time limit and distance restrictions" I think we'll be at least be at 25% vaccination before anything extra is lifted....

IAMAMORON · 15-12-2020 06:14PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I mostly agree, but I can't see the magic day when the bells of Christchurch ring and we all meet on o connell St and hug...... I think it'll very much be a slowly phased reduction in restrictions, and while I'd love to see "we're vaccinating group x, so food pubs only need 1m and pint pubs can open with time limit and distance restrictions" I think we'll be at least be at 25% vaccination before anything extra is lifted....

It is not just the pubs they need opening, the airports also and the country as a whole.

Once the HSE and the elderly get their jabs it will rollout quick enough. It is more cost efficient to vaccinate everyone than fork out 350 a week. Believe.

I reckon we are back drinking by Paddy's day. Flights too.

hynesie08 · 15-12-2020 06:19PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is not just the pubs they need opening, the airports also and the country as a whole.

Once the HSE and the elderly get their jabs it will rollout quick enough. It is more cost efficient to vaccinate everyone than fork out 350 a week. Believe.

I reckon we are back drinking by Paddy's day. Flights too.

I hope you're right, but I don't think you are....

Necro · 15-12-2020 06:41PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is not just the pubs they need opening, the airports also and the country as a whole.

Once the HSE and the elderly get their jabs it will rollout quick enough. It is more cost efficient to vaccinate everyone than fork out 350 a week. Believe.

I reckon we are back drinking by Paddy's day. Flights too.

Probably for another thread but the main stumbling block will likely be supply in the first few months. I am hopeful of a normal summer though.

IAMAMORON · 15-12-2020 06:54PM

Necro wrote: »

Probably for another thread but the main stumbling block will likely be supply in the first few months. I am hopeful of a normal summer though.

Fair point... and I think we can ( or should ) also factor in the " Irishness " of how things roll out. Lets be honest, we are not best known for our efficiency?

But the way I see it once health workers, the elderly and the vulnerable get their jabs I cannot see why restrictions don't start getting lifted?

The question should be what is the population of people over 70 + healthcare workers + vulnerable persons? That is basically the break even point from a safety point of view?

hynesie08 · 15-12-2020 06:58PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Fair point... and I think we can ( or should ) also factor in the " Irishness " of how things roll out. Lets be honest, we are not best known for our efficiency?

But the way I see it once health workers, the elderly and the vulnerable get their jabs I cannot see why restrictions don't start getting lifted?

The question should be what is the population of people over 70 + healthcare workers + vulnerable persons? That is basically the break even point from a safety point of view?

I actually have more faith in the "Irishness" than anything else, I really don't think we'll stick the vaccine in the boot of the Dublin/galway gobus. If worst comes to worst I absolutely see the army pulling rank and organising the transport, set up and possibly even the injections........

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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