Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I imagine its aimed at little kids who are in the room while their parents watch the briefings

Surely that could be classed as child cruelty

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Thanks my missus has tested postive and is afraid of being around the kids

One other quick question can the HSE give you any detials of your close contact, as in when they got notfied of being a close contact themselves or when they actually tested, She trying to figure out when exactly she would have got it, but they never mentioned anything about when her close contact was tested, is that procedure or just because she never asked

Procedure
They will tell you that you are a close contact of a positive case ,but not the name of that positive case

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yes thanks i do

Interesting article on transmission via surfaces here. Basically, wash your hands regularly but the reality is that you are extremely unlikely to be infected by surface transmission.

Russman wrote: »

I have a very vague recollection that back in Feb/Mar it was around 20. Totally open to correction on that, but its a figure that has stuck in my mind for some reason.

That sounds very high. Although I must say I was pretty shocked to hear the average number of contacts seeing as many people are in school or workplaces and would surely have a dozen or so contacts just from those places alone. So there must be a large number of people seeing nearly absolutely nobody to bring the average nationally down as low as 3.5. I guess most elderly people are probably only limiting close contacts to 1 or 2 or even nobody if they are high risk

Widescreen wrote: »

In a country the size of Ireland there was absolutely no requirement to open up the country from the 18th Dec to 6th Jan. You can drive from anywhere to anywhere in Ireland in a matter of hours.

With the virus about to spiral out of control here again now they should change this to 22/23 Dec to 2nd Jan max and that is being generous and possibly foolish.

The government have gone from protecting people from the virus to basically saying at this stage does it really matter if more people die.

if they could have a referendum about Christmas, which obviously they can't, majority would have voted to maintain restrictions.

It could be nasty in the hospitals in a few weeks time unfortunately.

Pretty big assumptions there

bb1234567 wrote: »

That sounds very high. Although I must say I was pretty shocked to hear the average number of contacts seeing as many people are in school or workplaces and would surely have a dozen or so contacts just from those places alone. So there must be a large number of people seeing nearly absolutely nobody to bring the average nationally down as low as 3.5. I guess most elderly people are probably only limiting close contacts to 1 or 2 or even nobody if they are high risk

30-40 a day would not be uncommon in my line of work
Those in retail could have been close to a hundred

bb1234567 wrote: »

I think you'd be surprised. Despite it looking like many people are out socialising in large groups in town, of the confirmed positive cases in Ireland as of 5 days ago the average person only has 3.5 social contacts that need to be traced. Up from an average of 3 social contacts per person during the middle of level 5. So majority of Irish people are still quite severely limiting their social contacts despite reopening, and are not meeting significantly more people than usual since the restrictions ended.

I imagine upcoming mingling with older relatives is largely the reason. My entire family are limiting contacts so that we can spend time safely with our grandparents who are 79 and 81 with some health problems.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1210/1183642-coronavirus-briefing-update/

Totally agree, hopefully people who who want to socialise or are around a lot of people at work will keep away form the vulnerable around Christmas.

I will go to eat out coming up to Christmas because I will not be visiting my vulnerable parents this year. If I was visiting them I would not, can't have it both ways.

pc7 wrote: »

My folks at this stage just don't care what comes out from Government etc. about Christmas, they are coming to us for Christmas dinner and to spend the day with the grandkids no matter what. Rightly or wrongly that is their decision, we'll do our best to stop the smallies climbing all over them, will ventilate the rooms, everything will be bleached to an inch of its life, they'll have their own bathroom and we'll take it from there. They have had enough, they are even asking can they have them for a sleep over a few days after christmas as they'll be out of school/creche 2 weeks at that stage.

Exactly, their choice. My parents aren't taking the risk which is also their choice.

One other thing to lessen the risk is for you and your immediate family limit contacts as much as possible coming up to Christmas. know that's impossible for the kids being at school but probably more doable for yourselves.

Breaking news now from the EMA - Pfizer vaccine meeting brought forward to before Christmas.
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/update-assessment-biontech-pfizer-bnt162b2-vaccine-marketing-authorisation-application

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Breaking news now from the EMA - Pfizer vaccine meeting brought forward to before Christmas.
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/update-assessment-biontech-pfizer-bnt162b2-vaccine-marketing-authorisation-application

They're going to approve it christmas morning aren't they.........

Crafty bastards......

crossman47 wrote: »

Pointless and also gives a false sense of being ok.

People home from England getting a free test maybe
I know a few who are doing this rather than paying
WFH means they can come home earlier

seamus wrote: »

Talking about close contacts here. Less than 2m for more than 15 minutes. People in retail wouldn't have many except for colleagues.

Given that we are about 10 months into the Pandemic here, I have to admit I don't understand the whole 15 minute thing. You can easily get the virus by spending less than 15 minutes close to someone.

Yes, I fully understand that you are at a greater risk of catching COVID-19 the longer you spend with someone, but I think sticking to the whole 15 minute thing is helping people think that they are safe if they spend less than 15 minutes within 2m of someone.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Given that we are about 10 months into the Pandemic here, I have to admit I don't understand the whole 15 minute thing. You can easily get the virus by spending less than 15 minutes close to someone.

Yes, I fully understand that you are at a greater risk of catching COVID-19 the longer you spend with someone, but I think sticking to the whole 15 minute thing is helping people think that they are safe if they spend less than 15 minutes within 2m of someone.

It's all just statistics. If you're more than 15 minutes in someone's company the liklihood of transmission is very high. Below 15 minutes, it's less. It's not zero, you could theoretically pass by someone in the the street and get unlucky, but the risk of that is low.

Even if someone does think they're "safe" if it's less than 15 minutes, they will at least reduce their contacts to < 15 minutes, which reduces their chances of infection.

It's main usefulness is in identifying those with whom you are most likely to have passed the infection on to. You may have a lot of contacts in a given day that you have been within a metre of, and you won't have their details. By setting the 15 minute rule, you narrow the set of close contacts to those who are most likely to have been infected, and therefore concentrate the test/trace resources where they're most needed.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Im waiting for a test as we speak, so are two of my kids and my parents, The missus tested positive on Monday as a close contact but had no symptoms and still doesnt and seen the person for about 30 minutes a week previous,

Got to say sitting it about my parents, although currently they feel great,

Another family member who was around all weekend woth us got her result and was negative,

best wishes hope all works out