Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

Eod100 · 13-12-2020 07:58PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I was talking specifically about Tony not NPHET in general . I found Ronan Glynn a much better communicator .

He was the one who was positive yesterday in fairness. https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1337818967788957700?s=19

Deeper Blue · 13-12-2020 08:05PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I thought level 5 was pretty grim personally.

And the idea of having to do it all again is pretty grim too.

Arghus wrote: »

What do you regard as grim.

I think some people are expecting a huge wave of cases and deaths in January. I think at worst it'll be like early October.

Regarding my definition of grim, we've been existing rather than living for 9 months now. I'd class that as grim.

Spanish Eyes · 13-12-2020 08:11PM

I think once the hospitals are not overrun, it will be fine no matter the numbers of people partying and gathering but less is more obv.

That was surely the premise of lockdowns and so on.

The fact that Flu has not featured in hospital admissions is a great help too... so far anyway.

How are the trolley watch figures going and A+E attendance? Can;t help but think a lot of A+E stuff was dubious TBH. In from the cold, give me a spliff, F off you, shouting and roaring. While the genuine cases were always looked after with great care and attention, from my experience anyway.

13-12-2020 08:12PM

I was (as transpired) duly pessimistic from almost the outset of 2020, couldn't see a way out until a vaccine. However I am really very optimistic for 2021 and hope this will also prove to be justified-I think it will quite honestly. When healthcare workers, & older and more vulnerable people vaccinated, we at least can reasonably relax in the knowledge that we are far less likely to be the subject or cause of morbidity & death in others, even if there is still an amount of virus passing around. As the rest of us duly await our turn to get the vaccine we can at least be more assured that the consequences of the virus being still around are far less serious overall. Whilst still exercising caution throughout most of 2021, it should generally be a more upbeat year, but with our negative focus transferring onto the fallout from Brexit. It is a year we might hope to again enjoy life, and actually start to appreciate and celebrate it in many little ways.

Spanish Eyes · 13-12-2020 08:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was (as transpired) duly pessimistic from almost the outset of 2020, couldn't see a way out until a vaccine. However I am really very optimistic for 2021 and hope this will also prove to be justified-I think it will quite honestly. When healthcare workers, & older and more vulnerable people vaccinated, we at least can reasonably relax in the knowledge that we are far less likely to be the subject or cause of morbidity & death in others, even if there is still an amount of virus passing around. As the rest of us duly await our turn to get the vaccine we can at least be more assured that the consequences of the virus being still around are far less serious overall. Whilst still exercising caution throughout most of 2021, it should generally be a more upbeat year, but with our negative focus transferring onto the fallout from Brexit. It is a year we might hope to again enjoy life, and actually start to appreciate and celebrate it in many little ways.

True,

Sorry now and not being personal, but you seem to have every illness or trouble going, are you in the first tranche for the vaccine?

IrishHomer · 13-12-2020 08:17PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I wonder will he still be your pal when he finds out you've turned into a Covid snitch.

As for 2021, most of us will be getting back to normal and enjoying ourselves. But you can keep wearing a mask and social distance as much as you want.

I wouldn't snitch on him and I didn't snitch

titan18 · 13-12-2020 08:20PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I think some people are expecting a huge wave of cases and deaths in January. I think at worst it'll be like early October.

Regarding my definition of grim, we've been existing rather than living for 9 months now. I'd class that as grim.

My worry would be that from September to October went from sub 100 cases a day to close to a 1000 and over in about 5-6 weeks. We're starting at a much higher base now and in a time period that will have more socialising so it could get a fair bit worse than that

JP Liz V1 · 13-12-2020 08:21PM

BurgundyRose wrote: »

A lot of gigs were cancelled during 2020 and some were deferred to 2021. What is this going to mean for deferred gigs? Will gigs the go ahead or could they go ahead with reduced capacity?

Deferred to 2022

It would not pay venues and artists to play to reduced capacity imo

thegreengoblin · 13-12-2020 08:21PM

IrishHomer wrote: »

I wouldn't snitch on him and I didn't snitch

You posted some fairly specific info about him and his family. I call that snitching.

TonyMaloney · 13-12-2020 08:28PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I think some people are expecting a huge wave of cases and deaths in January. I think at worst it'll be like early October.

Regarding my definition of grim, we've been existing rather than living for 9 months now. I'd class that as grim.

Some people are very confidently predicting rising cases that will lead to either heavy restrictions or lots of illness and death.

I think the former is more likely than the latter, but nothing is certain and they're not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Either way this Christmas is going to be very expensive

landofthetree · 13-12-2020 08:30PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Tony is concerned
Tony is concerned
Tony is concerned
Tony is concerned

Its like white noise now , he is never not concerned

Germany had to go back into lockdown till mid Jan.

There health system has the most ICU beds per capita in Europe.

It's obvious we will have to lockdown in Jan. What's the alternative?

Jim_Hodge · 13-12-2020 08:31PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

You posted some fairly specific info about him and his family. I call that snitching.

Would you cop on! An anonymous post on Boards about somebody somewhere supposedly having a party. Snitching my eye.

Happy4all · 13-12-2020 08:33PM

I make the CoI primate's comments correct about the treatment of Old People during this pandemic. C&P

"The treatment of older people during the pandemic “has been not far short of a disgrace,” Church of Ireland Primate Archbishop John McDowell has said.

Referring to those in nursing homes, he said “it will be interesting to learn just how much effort was put into finding ways for close relatives to visit very confused, frightened and in many cases dying residents, who had to make do with ‘she can’t visit, it’s for your own safety,’”he said.

“Safety is important but it’s not everything in such circumstances,” not least when dealing with “people nearing the end of their lives, some of them barely able to understand why they were being abandoned (or so it may have appeared to them) by their loved ones,” he said.

“We rightly accept slightly increased risks to keep schools open so that children will not lose out on their education. Perhaps, on balance, there is a case for the benefit of allowing the physical presence of someone who the person loves, and who could provide a unique sense of reassurance to them as against any threat to safety. We can only hope that someone actually asked the question,” he said."

Jim_Hodge · 13-12-2020 08:33PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Tony is concerned
Tony is concerned
Tony is concerned
Tony is concerned

Its like white noise now , he is never not concerned

Much as I hate to say it, in his position he has every right to be and anybody would be.

This constant berating him whether he says anything or not is childish in the extreme.

iamwhoiam · 13-12-2020 08:37PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Much as I hate to say it, in his position he has every right to be and anybody would be.

This constant berating him whether he says anything or not is childish in the extreme.

I am entitled to my opinion of him and his method of communication without being called childish . I wouldn’t dream of belittling your opinion like that
My very point is that if you keep repeating a mantra people will loose interest at no stage did I say he should not be concerned but he needs to communicate better . Ronan Glynn was a much better communicator . Tony Holohon is simply not getting the attention of the public

I think we are all entitled to a frustrated rant without the need to be called childish to be honest .

13-12-2020 08:44PM

landofthetree wrote: »

No it won't. Not by spring.

We will still have restrictions till summer 2023 at least. World governments need to start being honest with people

Last March I told people who thought it would be over by Sep that wasn't the case. This isn't going away even with vaccine for years.

No we won’t. The world can’t afford it economically or socially.

Society would breakdown. Do you think we can afford to have 20% of the workforce out of work for 3 years?

Happydays2020 · 13-12-2020 08:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No we won’t. The world can’t afford it economically or socially.

Society would breakdown. Do you think we can afford to have 20% of the workforce out of work for 3 years?

Agree. But I see a lock down in January.
Maybe retail open but hospitality not.

landofthetree · 13-12-2020 08:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No we won’t. The world can’t afford it economically or socially.

Society would breakdown. Do you think we can afford to have 20% of the workforce out of work for 3 years?

Nobody would have thought the restrictions from March onwards would still be happening now.

It will be level 1 or 2 for years here.

Piehead · 13-12-2020 08:59PM

Lifting the lockdown was a mistake. We need hard lockdown level 5+ until vaccinations are complete. Anything else will cause needless deaths.

landofthetree · 13-12-2020 09:00PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Got the nipple rings on there whilst **** with barbed wire yeah ?

Summer 2023 !!! Will ye GERRUP OURRA DA!!

Your assuming the vaccine works. Fair enough.

Some suggest the trials were designed for it to be a success.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=168f9fb15247

Happydays2020 · 13-12-2020 09:01PM

Piehead wrote: »

Lifting the lockdown was a mistake. We need hard lockdown level 5+ until vaccinations are complete. Anything else will cause needless deaths.

Far more deaths will be caused by ongoing lock down.

marno21 · 13-12-2020 09:05PM

Those of us who have been realistic have known since mid March that this would go on until a certain proportion of the population is immune to Covid-19. Governments didn't come out in March and say this because there would have been societal meltdown. It's been clear since then that this will be over when ~70% of the population are vaccinated. Restrictions will be significantly eased when those who are vulnerable are vaccinated as it will ease pressure on the healthcare system and reduce the IFR.

Those who say restrictions will continue beyond this summer must have missed the news that one vaccine is now approved in the UK, US and Canada, another will be approved in the next few weeks, a third will be approved shortly after and two more will be in Q1 2021, the latter 3 of which are significantly easier to deploy in the general population.

There are some people here who haven't had much change in their life since March, and those of you are free to continue to live as such after this pandemic ends. No one will be forced to go to pubs, attend matches or concerts, or go on foreign holidays after this. But for the love of God the majority of people do want to do these things and bringing a life back, rather than the current existance, is a big deal for a lot of people in this country.

I for one cannot wait for life to be back to normal, the coronavirus forum locked and the misery merchants to find something else to indulge themselves in.

ElJeffe · 13-12-2020 09:07PM

Piehead wrote: »

Lifting the lockdown was a mistake. We need hard lockdown level 5+ until vaccinations are complete. Anything else will cause needless deaths.

Massive mistake. The damage come January is going to be horrific. Most won't care though as they are selfish and just want their life back to normal. The Me generation.

BobbyMalone · 13-12-2020 09:08PM

BurgundyRose wrote: »

A lot of gigs were cancelled during 2020 and some were deferred to 2021. What is this going to mean for deferred gigs? Will gigs the go ahead or could they go ahead with reduced capacity?

I had tickets for a gig (May 2020) that was postponed until May 2021, and heard recently it was cancelled. I imagine a lot of those postponed for early 2021 will be cancelled.

manofwisdom · 13-12-2020 09:08PM

marno21 wrote: »

I for one cannot wait for life to be back to normal, the coronavirus forum locked and the misery merchants to find something else to indulge themselves in.

Same here looking forward to it.

TomSweeney · 13-12-2020 09:09PM

marno21 wrote: »

Those of us who have been realistic have known since mid March that this would go on until a certain proportion of the population is immune to Covid-19. Governments didn't come out in March and say this because there would have been societal meltdown. It's been clear since then that this will be over when ~70% of the population are vaccinated. Restrictions will be significantly eased when those who are vulnerable are vaccinated as it will ease pressure on the healthcare system and reduce the IFR.

Those who say restrictions will continue beyond this summer must have missed the news that one vaccine is now approved in the UK, US and Canada, another will be approved in the next few weeks, a third will be approved shortly after and two more will be in Q1 2021, the latter 3 of which are significantly easier to deploy in the general population.

There are some people here who haven't had much change in their life since March, and those of you are free to continue to live as such after this pandemic ends. No one will be forced to go to pubs, attend matches or concerts, or go on foreign holidays after this. But for the love of God the majority of people do want to do these things and bringing a life back, rather than the current existance, is a big deal for a lot of people in this country.

I for one cannot wait for life to be back to normal, the coronavirus forum locked and the misery merchants to find something else to indulge themselves in.

Wouldn;t even say it needs 70% of the overall pop to be vaccinated, lockdowns are all about protecting the health service, once most of the vulnerable are vaccinated and hospitals aren't overwhelmed, i'd say things will relax a bit.

They need to stop using cases as a metric too.

TomSweeney · 13-12-2020 09:11PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Massive mistake. The damage come January is going to be horrific. Most won't care though as they are selfish and just want their life back to normal. The Me generation.

I wouldn't respond, poster has to be a troll, put him on ignore list.

ElJeffe · 13-12-2020 09:11PM

BobbyMalone wrote: »

I had tickets for a gig (May 2020) that was postponed until May 2021, and heard recently it was cancelled. I imagine a lot of those postponed for early 2021 will be cancelled.

There will be no concerts, festivals or nightclubs in 2021. People need to be mature now and face reality.

sonofenoch · 13-12-2020 09:12PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

429 from where? Even with that inflated daily number we still finished the week with less cases this week than last week. Half the amount of weekly deaths reported and nearly 40 less in hospital than last Sunday.

Prolly the gob****es who couldn't wait to do in the first 5 mins what they hadn't been allowed do the previous few weeks

stephenjmcd · 13-12-2020 09:14PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

There will be no concerts, festivals or nightclubs in 2021. People need to be mature now and face reality.

We'll see. Nobody can say either way with any certainty

A few vaccines change things Big time.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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