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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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  • #2222
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    pickarooney wrote: »
    It never ends, reams and reams of meaningless stats and references and never once even an attempt at looking at people as humans..
    Meaningless or uncomfortable? And that's the problem with too much of the "woke". It's well meaning and that's a good thing, but refuses to look at realities too often because they're uncomfortable and require a different tack to approach and hopefully fix. Much easier to run with the empathy and sympathy card.
    This kind of 'intellectualised' racial pontification is toxic and serves very little purpose other than to legitimise the lowbrow racism that clings to it for justification.
    Then defend your position with intellect and stats and references rather than respond emotionally. Like I say it's not working in western societies and that's a problem.

    I notice you didn't respond to a single one of my points and attempt to refute them.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2223
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Biker79 wrote: »
    I love the way you say ' utter tosh ', and then proceed to deliver a load of hysterical tosh.

    I'm glad you like it. Careful though, I might not be part of your tribe. You don't want to be liking anything that isn't from one if your own. It's how the rot sets in and Its the first step on the road to ruination.


  • #2224
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,524 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Biker79 wrote: »
    It's very strange to empathize with a complete stranger, over someone who is closer to you in terms of family, friends, or national ' tribe ' . It's not normal behaviour, according to evolutionary psychology. So your remarks about empathy are disingenuous at best.

    How about wokies have some empathy for the culture they are destroying with all of their ideological empathy?


    I’m pretty sure you’re misunderstanding the theory of evolutionary psychology in order to form the opinion that empathy with a person or group who you imagine a person doesn’t share any traits in common with, and therefore could not reasonably be expected to empathise with them, is abnormal.

    “National tribe” me bolix, that can go in the same category of bullshìt ideas as “evolutionary psychology”, which doesn’t amount to anything more than pseudoscience.


  • #2225
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Like I say it's not working in western societies and that's a problem.

    I was going to ask what exactly you are referring to here? However on reflection I think it is fair to say that you could be referring to any contentious issue in western society?

    Not a lot actually works.

    There is no answer, nothing will evolve to anyones' satisfaction, there is always issues. There will always be road works in December.

    I am uncomfortable with some of your opinions on welfare abuse though, generic shaming is futile. The reality is that if the government is handing out freebies people are going to throw the hand out. I don't blame anyone here to be honest and I would rather have a welfare state where we look after people who are less off than have a state where we don't. I am passed arguing this point either. I would rather give people more free shight than give them less and if they don't want to work for it I am fine with that too. There is plenty to go around and begrudgery will annihilate your soul over time.


  • #2226
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    There is plenty to go around and begrudgery will annihilate your soul over time.

    Wanted to reiterate that part of your quote. That is all.


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  • #2227
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I'm glad you like it. Careful though, I might not be part of your tribe. You don't want to be liking anything that isn't from one if your own. It's how the rot sets in and Its the first step on the road to ruination.

    Wokies are like a mix between a spoiled teenage brat and a nagging wife.


  • #2228
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I’m pretty sure you’re misunderstanding the theory of evolutionary psychology in order to form the opinion that empathy with a person or group who you imagine a person doesn’t share any traits in common with, and therefore could not reasonably be expected to empathise with them, is abnormal.

    “National tribe” me bolix, that can go in the same category of bullshìt ideas as “evolutionary psychology”, which doesn’t amount to anything more than pseudoscience.

    Wokies do like their science to be ' a-la carte ' - so your comments aren't surprising.

    The evidence on this is fairly robust. It doesn't say there is a lack of empathy for people outside an immediate group, of course. It says that we are selected to prioritize our group first and then outside the group second.

    Not surprised you choose to jump the gun and misinterpret that, so you could engage in some vigorous finger-wagging. In the absence of making a reasonable point, I guess that's all you can do.


  • #2229
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Biker79 wrote: »
    It's very strange to empathize with a complete stranger, over someone who is closer to you in terms of family, friends, or national ' tribe ' . It's not normal behaviour, according to evolutionary psychology. So your remarks about empathy are disingenuous at best.

    How about wokies have some empathy for the culture they are destroying with all of their ideological empathy?

    Whataboutisis, reference to some vague study, "they're not like us". It's like an instinctive reaction.


  • #2230
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,524 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Biker79 wrote: »
    The evidence on this is fairly robust. It doesn't say there is a lack of empathy for people outside an immediate group, of course. It says that we are selected to prioritize our group first and then outside the group second.


    “We are selected to prioritise our group first”, and how do you imagine we weigh up different groups and prioritise them accordingly? We do it based upon empathy, we do it based upon traits we identify as common in others with ourselves.

    While national identity for example might be a priority for you and you prioritise people who share your national identity (apart from the ones you call “wokies” of course, I imagine they don’t rank highly on your priorities as to who you care to empathise with), it doesn’t stand to reason, clearly, that anyone else prioritises a shared national identity in the same way you do. Their empathy may be based upon any number of traits they identify others have in common with themselves.

    As it relates to evolutionary psychology, they claim capacity for empathy is an adaptive evolutionary trait which explains tribalism in humans which is important for groups survival. But it’s hardly a theory unique to evolutionary psychology, they just borrowed it from actual science and put it through the BroSpin wash, out it came as politicised nonsense, not science.


  • #2231
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I am uncomfortable with some of your opinions on welfare abuse though,
    I really think you're confusing me with someone else IAM. I am most certainly not to be found among the usual "free market" types bitching about how those on welfare have it easy, while they're taking all their stuff in tax. If you can find any post where I come within an asses roar of that, good luck.

    I fully support a welfare state, run properly. Just as I support a subsidised public health and education service and a roof over people's heads. And I am fully behind supporting those who fall by the wayside for whatever reason, and yes even including those who will never be suitable for work for whatever reason, including the permanently indolent. I only have issue with the waste in welfare, health and other governmental departments, which I think the majority of us would agree are in dire need of review in many respects.

    It may come as a shock to some - not necessarily you IAM - who appear to make their minds up someone's opinions on one subject and assume that translates beyond that but I'm about as "left wing" as one could get on that score and fully believe in full equality of opportunity for everybody regardless of creed, colour or circumstance.
    I would rather have a welfare state where we look after people who are less off than have a state where we don't.
    As would I. We are or should be a society of people, not individuals, but with an environment that also allows individuals to shine where they may. Never mind that welfare keeps money circulating in the economy. It's not "dead money" even if it's spent on fags and booze and free prams(joke). It also reduces crime and poverty and makes for a better society overall.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #2232
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Just look at the enthusiasm on this site alone for knacker bashing. The Irish are no saints when it comes to snobbery in particular, we are well capable of it, particularly inverse snobbery, it is rife

    It's not inverse snobbery for me to have an opinion that has been sculpted by many, many negative experiences and incidents with the travelling community throughout my life.

    When it comes to stating an opinion in a discussion and it has been back up with factual evidence, its regarded to as an outrageous statement. Its become a trend to protect and be outranged on behalf of travellers now. You must follow the wokest creed. It's rife on this site. Any dissent or criticism is whaled at.

    Nobody will be taking away my freedom of expression either :)


  • #2233
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Never mind that welfare keeps money circulating in the economy. It's not "dead money" even if it's spent on fags and booze and free prams(joke). It also reduces crime and poverty and makes for a better society overall.

    I've been making this point for some time now. To listen to the welfare-bashers* you'd think recipients were rolling around on beds covered in banknotes, cackling gleefully. Welfare money gets spent, and a lot of it finds its way back into the exchequer, directly or indirectly. If some of it is spent on booze and fags, then even more gets back to the exchequer. A lot of the pensioners' Christmas bonus will end up in the hands of their grandchildren who won't be able to inject it back into the economy fast enough...


    *This is the flip-side of what you were saying upthread; people adopting an attitude that makes them feel good, but having little interest in what really works and what doesn't. It's not just the left who need to learn that facts don't care about feelings.


  • #2234
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Meaningless or uncomfortable? And that's the problem with too much of the "woke". It's well meaning and that's a good thing, but refuses to look at realities too often because they're uncomfortable and require a different tack to approach and hopefully fix. Much easier to run with the empathy and sympathy card.

    Then defend your position with intellect and stats and references rather than respond emotionally. Like I say it's not working in western societies and that's a problem.

    I notice you didn't respond to a single one of my points and attempt to refute them.

    No, Wibbs. You don't simply get to lay down the rules and drag people into endless, tiresome, pages-long back and forth with no discernible aim apart from victory through exhaustion.

    You want to validate ugly stereotypes and mean-spirited judgements through whatever links and references you deem fit for purpose, knock yourself out. But don't pretend you actually believe in equality of opportunity while espousing these prejudices.


  • #2235
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    That feminist who was always giving out about toxic male culture and how all men were sexually aggressive, yet she was a big Gangsta Rap fan :confused:


    When was the last time you heard of a famous lgbt rapper?


  • #2236
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    It's not inverse snobbery for me to have an opinion that has been sculpted by many, many negative experiences and incidents with the travelling community throughout my life.

    When it comes to stating an opinion in a discussion and it has been back up with factual evidence, its regarded to as an outrageous statement. Its become a trend to protect and be outranged on behalf of travellers now. You must follow the wokest creed. It's rife on this site. Any dissent or criticism is whaled at.

    Nobody will be taking away my freedom of expression either :)

    Sure, express what you like.

    But bitching online about travellers is an extremely futile event, I just don't see the point.

    Trying bitching at them, they appreciate the honesty more, they love fighting.


  • #2237
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Wokies are like a mix between a spoiled teenage brat and a nagging wife.

    Pity they will never reach the evolutionary pinnacle of name calling, isn't it?


  • #2238
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    pickarooney wrote: »
    You want to validate ugly stereotypes and mean-spirited judgements through whatever links and references you deem fit for purpose, knock yourself out.
    AKA You have no rebuttal and references and links which contradict mine. You've made your mind up and that's that.

    Never mind that you completely missed or ignored where I pointed out that in the same hierarchy of unemployment, economic success, single parent families, divorce, criminality et al White Europeans do worse than East Asians in multicultural societies and that African nations on average do better on the same metrics than both the various African diaspora and the various White natives and diaspora. No, you just immediately zeroed in on the Black stats and run straight to prejudice.

    This is a pretty damned good example of "Woke" and the all too blinkered hierarchy of victimhood present in identity politics and it does nobody any good, least of all those people who others get offended on behalf of. Don't get me wrong it comes from a good place and a place of optimism, but it also has a tendency to avoid some realities like the plague and we end up with platitudes and the same problems. Again.
    But don't pretend you actually believe in equality of opportunity while espousing these prejudices.
    I don't have to pretend. I do. I'm also aware of the realities. Realities that are too often ignored and that's one reason why they continue the way they always have.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2239
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Trying bitching at them, they appreciate the honesty more, they love fighting.
    I really don't know how to unwrap that sentence. :D

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2240
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I really don't know how to unwrap that sentence. :D

    I think they respect it more when you converse with them. It is cowering and avoiding them and then going on line to bitch about them that winds them up the most.

    Not acknowledging someone because of their culture is not only bad manners, it is also the epitome of racism.

    When I said fighting I mean it in the purest form of the word, they will accept verbals, they just want to feel involved. I get it. Travellers don't fight with "country people" if they can avoid it, they would consider it rude and it is not in their culture to get into it. Unless you cross them and then good luck to you.


  • #2241
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    the purple tin wrote: »
    That feminist who was always giving out about toxic male culture and how all men were sexually aggressive, yet she was a big Gangsta Rap fan :confused:
    The one that always gets me is those feminists who are self identifying fashionistas. An industry that regularly pimps insecurity to women and is anything but diverse in its portrayal of women in general. The same feminists are usually anti porn and there's good reasons why they would be, but the same genre aimed mostly at the "male gaze" shows more diversity of size, shape, colour and age in a week than any fashion outlet has in decades.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #2242
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Pity they will never reach the evolutionary pinnacle of name calling, isn't it?

    It is. They might start by developing some critical thinking skills, and then applying them to their own beliefs about how the world actually is. Not how they wish it to be.

    They could then follow that by applying these skills to their own personal circumstances so that they might begin to solve their own problems rather than scapegoating others. Growing up, in other words.

    Once they've put in the work and got some results, they can then ' name call ' those who have not.


  • #2243
    Rothko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Pity they will never reach the evolutionary pinnacle of name calling, isn't it?

    Oh, but they have.


  • #2244
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    pickarooney wrote: »
    It never ends, reams and reams of meaningless stats and references and never once even an attempt at looking at people as humans.

    People are by definition, humans. I'm not sure why that means we're expected to feel responsible for all of them.


  • #2245
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Sure, express what you like.

    But bitching online about travellers is an extremely futile event, I just don't see the point.

    Trying bitching at them, they appreciate the honesty more, they love fighting.

    Bitching? You must be upset. :D
    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I think they respect it more when you converse with them. It is cowering and avoiding them and then going on line to bitch about them that winds them up the most.

    Not acknowledging someone because of their culture is not only bad manners, it is also the epitome of racism.

    When I said fighting I mean it in the purest form of the word, they will accept verbals, they just want to feel involved. I get it. Travellers don't fight with "country people" if they can avoid it, they would consider it rude and it is not in their culture to get into it. Unless you cross them and then good luck to you.

    Since you are the conveyer of all thing "knacker" what do they have for breakfast?

    Yeah you're talking through your arse. You go on about honor and respect as if they have some sort of code. A moral structure. Well, they don't. It's a pity that they're incapable of respecting law-abiding citizens and the laws of the land instead of their own creed.

    We caught the two travelers who broke into my nannies' house (broke her nose, 94), who bet my grandad black and blue, leaving him in the hospital. The only time he left that hospital after it was when he died. They were made to feel very involved when we found what site they were on. The one thing they could not comprehend was how we found them, not why we were there. They don't have morals, cause no one who got involved on their site tired to ecuse what they did, you are right, they love a fight even when they can't acknowledge what they did. No responsibilities taken, as usual. And you talk about cowering. Contrapasso. I think both were apologizing for 9/11 at one stage.

    They love to fight as a form of honor or respect. Not ordinary people that they start on or try to get to fight back through anti social behavior and intimidation. They'll also fight you when you question their "craftsmanship". They don't like to converse nor do they take any feedback. They don't like being questioned nor to be told they are wrong.

    Ah but sure they like a good knock.


  • #2246
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Rothko wrote: »
    Oh, but they have.

    Pretty much, because they've created categories and sub-categories for us all to be put in.

    I love the way they claim they're aiming to remove all the offensive labels, but will create a host of new words, all the same negative connotations, but their way is cleaner, nicer.. meh,


  • #2247
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Bitching? You must be upset. :D



    Since you are the conveyer of all thing "knacker" what do they have for breakfast?

    Yeah you're talking through your arse. You go on about honor and respect as if they have some sort of code. A moral structure. Well, they don't. It's a pity that they're incapable of respecting law-abiding citizens and the laws of the land instead of their own creed.

    We caught the two travelers who broke into my nannies' house (broke her nose, 94), who bet my grandad black and blue, leaving him in the hospital. The only time he left that hospital after it was when he died. They were made to feel very involved when we found what site they were on. The one thing they could not comprehend was how we found them, not why we were there. They don't have morals, cause no one who got involved on their site excused what they did, you are right, they love a fight even when they can't acknowledge what they did. No responsibilities taken, as usual. Contrapasso. I think both were apologizing for 9/11 at one stage.

    They love to fight as a form of honor or respect. Not ordinary people they start on or try to get to fight back through anti social behavior and intimidation. They'll also fight you when you question their "craftsmanship". They dont like to talk nor do take any feedback. They don't like being questioned nor to be told they are wrong.

    Ah but sure they like a good knock

    There is a difference between criminals and travellers.

    You just haven't worked that out yet.

    I am sorry for your troubles, I mean that, but not all travellers are criminals.


  • #2248
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Bambi wrote: »
    People are by definition, humans. I'm not sure why that means we're expected to feel responsible for all of them.

    You are not responsible for anyone, apart from your own kids.

    But you are responsible for your opinion on other people. You need to own that at least.


  • #2249
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Has this been posted here already?

    Gardening/horticulture is racist.

    https://twitter.com/Botanygeek/status/1337692740268777473


  • #2250
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Nothing escapes wokes pooping all over it.


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  • #2251
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    I have in the pastexpressed my doubts about the Website Everydayfeminism.com and whether or not it is a false flag trolling site, akin to the Tatiana McGrath spoof.

    But assuming it isn't, the question it ponders: "Are you transphobic if you refuse to date a woman just because she has a penis?" is one for the ages.


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