The Vaccine

Steve012 · 12-12-2020 11:15PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The issue with this is there is a overwhelming number of virologists and experts who maintain it made the jump from animals to humans, so much so that it's current consensus

Stand to be corrected that was July info at the time.

Lex Luthor · 14-12-2020 05:00PM

Luke O'Neill said its easily tweaked to adapt the vaccine for any new strains
They might have to dump that latest batch they manufactured though

EyesClosed · 14-12-2020 05:35PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Luke O'Neill said its easily tweaked to adapt the vaccine for any new strains
They might have to dump that latest batch they manufactured though

And this is a conspiracy...how?

14-12-2020 05:40PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Luke O'Neill said its easily tweaked to adapt the vaccine for any new strains
They might have to dump that latest batch they manufactured though

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

Lex Luthor · 14-12-2020 06:03PM

EyesClosed wrote: »

And this is a conspiracy...how?

I never said it was a conspiracy
I’m just repeating what he said
Once I find the clip I’ll post it

King Mob wrote: »

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

Not my words, his

EyesClosed · 14-12-2020 06:04PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I never said it was a conspiracy
I’m just repeating what he said
Once I find the clip I’ll post it

Right then why post it here at all? What is the vaccine conspiracy? You have never answered when I asked before

14-12-2020 06:14PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Not my words, his

Ah so why are you repeating his words but not actually giving the source or the quote?
Last time you did this, it turned out you were telling porkies.

And I still stand by my statement, given this silly things you've claimed and the nonsense you believe, I don't think you know how vaccines or viruses work.

silliussoddius · 14-12-2020 06:39PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I never said it was a conspiracy
I’m just repeating what he said
Once I find the clip I’ll post it

Not my words, his

Why do his words need to be posted here? Anything special about him?

jelem · 14-12-2020 11:04PM

King Mob wrote: »

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

And @kingmob Dont seem to know governments make them as weapons.
china with mainstay dish of pork has been hit with pig virus after pig virus despite their
best working to halt it.
trade\war and destroy country just keep introducing virusand virus to remove trade and food item.
oh its just a coincidence whilst western pharmas give "human error" when revealed a mix of
" live virus" being transported across europe. Was that the H1N1 LOOK it up yourself if the details
have not been removed from media.
im westerner but far from blind - sure this country is riddled with corruption and lies supported by garda
that do nothing but protect the political and large industry vested interests.
recent large fine for goog in france (yes again) france has a Working data protection act unlike here
with a pathetic poem thats a waste of print as
no criminal charges
no fines =============== for breaking any part (excepting criminal conviction data).
may be wild virus but with bankrupt western world with debt that can never be paid. no jobs
and increasing population with incompetant\ignorant\corrupt and arrogant politicians, it is
world war or other means and looks like jackboot rule (lockdowns\restrictions) whilst the
average seems 3% infection rate with expensive vaccine with no track record but pharmas own words
its coral and bleed for money for profit. this is all that has been seen and points at easy option to
reduce population and hold power --- man made virus--
like thw fake "save the children" whilst UN report claims approx 26,000 children killed by
political correct words of "intervention" in libya.
the real Perverts rule the roost and fool the majority, the majority of the time due to brainwash media.
(you prob looked at twitter or faceb__3 or 4 times whilst looking at this).

14-12-2020 11:13PM

jelem wrote: »

And @kingmob Dont seem to know governments make them as weapons.

No the vaccine is not a weapon.
Your post was odd and rambling and it was impossible to decipher.

jelem · 14-12-2020 11:21PM

King Mob wrote: »

No the vaccine is not a weapon.
Your post was odd and rambling and it was impossible to decipher.

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

Dohnjoe · 14-12-2020 11:27PM

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

No offense, but this is pretty unintelligible

14-12-2020 11:27PM

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans

No thanks. You post are rambling and devoid of any substance or coherent argument.

jelem wrote: »

which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

They're*

silliussoddius · 14-12-2020 11:31PM

Wow, some of these posts look like an eye exams.

jelem · 14-12-2020 11:42PM

King Mob wrote: »

No thanks. You post are rambling and devoid of any substance or coherent argument.

They're*

flamer proving ignorant and pathetic. touch type and no time to suit your
pedantic wish for perfect grammeer grammar gramear - ADD spelling too
sad fool

14-12-2020 11:52PM

jelem wrote: »

flamer proving ignorant and pathetic. touch type and no time to suit your
pedantic wish for perfect grammeer grammar gramear - ADD spelling too
sad fool

Lol dude if you're going to rant about how much smarter you are than everyone who disagrees with you, maybe up your writing game.

Also you could try using those superior brains of yours to actually make coherent, supported claims rather than false nonsense.

Pablo Escobar · 15-12-2020 12:05AM

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

I actually can't make head nor tail of your posts.

Lex Luthor · 15-12-2020 12:36AM

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/next-four-to-six-months-could-be-worst-of-pandemic-bill-gates/amp_articleshow/79709807.cms?__twitter_impression=true

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

Hey king mob and dohnjoe, maybe you could both interrogate him

runawaybishop · 15-12-2020 12:41AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/next-four-to-six-months-could-be-worst-of-pandemic-bill-gates/amp_articleshow/79709807.cms?__twitter_impression=true

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

Hey king mob and dohnjoe, maybe you could both interrogate him

It looks like Bill can read. Not much of a conspiracy

The IHME (Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation) forecast shows over 200,000 additional deaths.

15-12-2020 12:49AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

Hey king mob and dohnjoe, maybe you could both interrogate him

Reads books for one.
Listens to actual experts, not cranks on YouTube and Twitter for two.

It's not hard to learn more about vaccines and virology. There's tons of resources out there to do it.

But then you don't get to believe in a fun secret conspiracy you can roleplay resisting against.

AMKC · 15-12-2020 01:27AM

I see that John Giles will be getting the Vaccine later today. He was on Claire Byrne talking about it yesterday.

Dohnjoe · 15-12-2020 01:42AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/next-four-to-six-months-could-be-worst-of-pandemic-bill-gates/amp_articleshow/79709807.cms?__twitter_impression=true

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

There's a documentary on him on Netflix, you'll find out why there.

gar32 · 15-12-2020 06:19AM

So some studies estimate 35 - 60% of people in the EU have had Covid and just did not know. (They don't need a vaccine.) Less the 1% of people have been worried or sick enough to go for the test. The test inventor said it was not invented to detect Covid. Bill Gates Father was a founding member of the family planning group. (Population control) Bill Gates says in his TED talk about a digital vaccine/Passport. It was later removed but there are still copies of him saying it online.

Plandemic the movie. HOLD up Movie

Enjoy

15-12-2020 06:59AM

gar32 wrote: »

Plandemic the movie. HOLD up Movie

Plandemic is utter bull**** propaganda that has been completely debunked. No one should waste their time with it.

The virus was not planned. The virus is not artificial.

The rest of your post is either completely untrue or misrepresentation equally as nonsense.

Ted_YNWA · 15-12-2020 07:52AM

jelem wrote: »

read line by line and let sink in - oooooooooooops sorry you
may be recent wave of born humans whom have an attention span of less than 3 seconds and
show atzheimer symptoms.
statement with many reasons\assumptions added to support.
ya not get it oooooooooooooops must be that useless leaving cert "education" showing
through again.
1 line you are constantly lied to and fooled by those in positions of authority and power
which is fact the majority fail to accept as either stupid or do not want to admit they dumb.

jelem wrote: »

flamer proving ignorant and pathetic. touch type and no time to suit your
pedantic wish for perfect grammeer grammar gramear - ADD spelling too
sad fool

Grammar and spelling mistakes are ok as long as post is readable. You are just throwing random words together.

I'd suggest slowing down your touch typing & read your input before submitting.

[This post is made without a Mod hat on. Don't make me put it on]

Lex Luthor · 15-12-2020 09:24AM

gar32 wrote: »

So some studies estimate 35 - 60% of people in the EU have had Covid and just did not know. (They don't need a vaccine.) Less the 1% of people have been worried or sick enough to go for the test. The test inventor said it was not invented to detect Covid. Bill Gates Father was a founding member of the family planning group. (Population control) Bill Gates says in his TED talk about a digital vaccine/Passport.

Allowing us to return to our normal way of life
Allows scanning to protect those around us
They show an airport terminal gate where you will be scanned to get on the plane
The colour code system will ALLOW you to go about your daily activities in a safer way
The idea behind it is to use it for many ways, travel, entertainment, offices, education, construction and MUCH MUCH more
Reminders will be sent when its time for you to be tested again and again and again
Your vaccination status can be displayed

Lex Luthor · 15-12-2020 09:30AM

EyesClosed wrote: »

And this is a conspiracy...how?

I'll get to that shortly

King Mob wrote: »

No, this is not how a vaccine works.
The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now. It still exists and will still be a problem.
There's no need for them to get rid of the vaccine they've already made.

Again, I suspect that you don't actually know how vaccines and viruses work...

you do realise the pfizer & Moderna vaccines are not conventional vaccines

Check this out
Once you've watched this clip, you can move onto the next bit

EyesClosed wrote: »

Right then why post it here at all? What is the vaccine conspiracy? You have never answered when I asked before

don't worry I havent forgotten about you

King Mob wrote: »

it turned out you were telling porkies.

afraid to burst your bubble, here's the clip of the slippery snake being interviewed
You dont have to go too far in to get to the part where he is asked about mutations of the virus
Answer to Question 1 - "if it does mutate the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly"

Modified quickly? So there is a necessity then to modify the vaccine if a new strain develops
If the current vaccine is supposedly effective (95%), then why would he say it can be modified for a new strain?
Surely he should just say this vaccine works for all strains
Is the current vaccine 95% effective for the new strain?

silliussoddius wrote: »

Why do his words need to be posted here? Anything special about him?

Well he is the face of RTE for all things vaccine & COVID since the beginning of this and Tubbs cant get enough of him

silliussoddius wrote: »

Wow, some of these posts look like an eye exams.

for an eye exam you are supposed to open your eyes

...............................
So we now have 2 conflicting approaches from Luke O'Neill and Prof Whitty
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-strain-travel-5299901-Dec2020/

Luke O'Neill has said that if the virus mutates, then the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly
Prof Whitty has said it would be “surprising” if the vaccines already in development were not effective against it.

So which is it?

I would also like to call on our resident virologist expert on here King Mob who has stated that "The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now"

Luke O'Neill basically said that for any new strains the vaccine can be modified quickly which means a new vaccine for a new strain
Does that mean for the new strain there will be a 2nd vaccine? Whats your opinion?
If they do need to have a 2nd vaccine, then anyone going for the vaccine would need to get 2 vaccines for the 2 strains that are currently out there, meaning 4 jabs
And then you would be part of that Phase 4 trial and be a statistic for the safety analysis for the 2nd vaccine aswell as the first vaccine

He also stated that he doesnt know what long term effects these vaccines will have on the people taking it, but "thats the hope"

But 1000's of brilliant minds worked on this new vaccine, but here he is, the face of the government & RTE stating that he doesnt know what the long term effects will be
That doesnt matter though because its got 95% efficacy. To hell with the long term effects

I would also like to quote Ronan "its too early to tell" Glynn, we cant leave him out of this
“There’s very little information available on it at the moment and there’s further epidemiological and virological investigation going on by colleagues in the UK."

Does he not believe what Prof Whitty is saying. Whitty says "there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous or that symptoms are any worse or different"
How does he know? Its too early to tell they say

“There’s very little information available on it at the moment"
"there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous"
Which is it?

Just as well they have this information from the "official early warning system with European colleagues and the UK"

OR, is it just a possibility that this new strain is just a variant of the flu?

Lads, the wool that is growing on your backs is well & truly being pulled over your eyes

15-12-2020 09:44AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you do realise the pfizer & Moderna vaccines are not conventional vaccines

Yes.
What's your point. You've failed entirely to detail any rational concerns about them.
The best you had was they used "nano-" in the name of an ingredient.

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Check this out
Once you've watched this clip, you can move onto the next bit

afraid to burst your bubble, here's the clip of the slippery snake being interviewed
You dont have to go too far in to get to the part where he is asked about mutations of the virus
Answer to Question 1 - "if it does mutate the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly"

Modified quickly? So there is a necessity then to modify the vaccine if a new strain develops
If the current vaccine is supposedly effective (95%), then why would he say it can be modified for a new strain?
Surely he should just say this vaccine works for all strains
Is the current vaccine 95% effective for the new strain?

Ok. You're going to have to show that you actually understand at a basic level what vaccines and viruses are. Because I'm now convinced by this ridiculous argument above that you don't know how vaccines and viruses work or what they are..

EyesClosed · 15-12-2020 09:59AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I'll get to that shortly

you do realise the pfizer & Moderna vaccines are not conventional vaccines

Check this out
Once you've watched this clip, you can move onto the next bit

don't worry I havent forgotten about you

afraid to burst your bubble, here's the clip of the slippery snake being interviewed
You dont have to go too far in to get to the part where he is asked about mutations of the virus
Answer to Question 1 - "if it does mutate the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly"

Modified quickly? So there is a necessity then to modify the vaccine if a new strain develops
If the current vaccine is supposedly effective (95%), then why would he say it can be modified for a new strain?
Surely he should just say this vaccine works for all strains
Is the current vaccine 95% effective for the new strain?

Well he is the face of RTE for all things vaccine & COVID since the beginning of this and Tubbs cant get enough of him

for an eye exam you are supposed to open your eyes

...............................
So we now have 2 conflicting approaches from Luke O'Neill and Prof Whitty
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-strain-travel-5299901-Dec2020/

Luke O'Neill has said that if the virus mutates, then the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly
Prof Whitty has said it would be “surprising” if the vaccines already in development were not effective against it.

So which is it?

I would also like to call on our resident virologist expert on here King Mob who has stated that "The vaccine is still effective for the strain we're dealing with now"

Luke O'Neill basically said that for any new strains the vaccine can be modified quickly which means a new vaccine for a new strain
Does that mean for the new strain there will be a 2nd vaccine? Whats your opinion?
If they do need to have a 2nd vaccine, then anyone going for the vaccine would need to get 2 vaccines for the 2 strains that are currently out there, meaning 4 jabs
And then you would be part of that Phase 4 trial and be a statistic for the safety analysis for the 2nd vaccine aswell as the first vaccine

He also stated that he doesnt know what long term effects these vaccines will have on the people taking it, but "thats the hope"

But 1000's of brilliant minds worked on this new vaccine, but here he is, the face of the government & RTE stating that he doesnt know what the long term effects will be
That doesnt matter though because its got 95% efficacy. To hell with the long term effects

I would also like to quote Ronan "its too early to tell" Glynn, we cant leave him out of this
“There’s very little information available on it at the moment and there’s further epidemiological and virological investigation going on by colleagues in the UK."

Does he not believe what Prof Whitty is saying. Whitty says "there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous or that symptoms are any worse or different"
How does he know? Its too early to tell they say

“There’s very little information available on it at the moment"
"there is no evidence the strain is more dangerous"
Which is it?

Just as well they have this information from the "official early warning system with European colleagues and the UK"

OR, is it just a possibility that this new strain is just a variant of the flu?

Lads, the wool that is growing on your backs is well & truly being pulled over your eyes

....and for the third time...whats the conspiracy???

greenspurs · 15-12-2020 10:11AM

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Grammar and spelling mistakes are ok as long as post is readable. You are just throwing random words together.

I'd suggest slowing down your touch typing & read your input before submitting.

[This post is made without a Mod hat on. Don't make me put it on]

WOW .........

:eek:

The Vaccine

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