The Vaccine

Dohnjoe

gar32 wrote: »

If you are under 50 years old and get the Covid you have 99.95% chance of surviving. There is no need for a vaccine.

You can spread Covid to older relatives and people who have a higher chance of dying. It's like this thread has become a sluice for every uninformed comment related to Covid. Any conspiracy theory in any of this?

Lex Luthor

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You can spread Covid to older relatives and people who have a higher chance of dying. It's like this thread has become a sluice for every uninformed comment related to Covid. Any conspiracy theory in any of this?

You can also spread Covid to the same people if vaccinated

Lex Luthor

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What's the conspiracy?

General ignorance of how vaccines work and lack of understanding is not evidence of a conspiracy.

Do you know how vaccines work?
If so please explain with reference to the Covid vaccine and give examples

Steve012

Lex Luthor wrote: »

You can also spread Covid to the same people if vaccinated

Only within the first 8 to 10 weeks of being vaccinated, not after that apparently.

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Do you know how vaccines work?
If so please explain with reference to the Covid vaccine and give examples

I'm still waiting for you to show this about yourself. You've show a lot of evidence that you don't understand what vaccines are.

Lex Luthor

Steve012 wrote: »

Only within the first 8 to 10 weeks of being vaccinated, not after that apparently.

Can you show evidence of this?

Lex Luthor

King Mob wrote: »

I'm still waiting for you to show this about yourself. You've show a lot of evidence that you don't understand what vaccines are.

That’s the answer I was expecting

skooterblue2

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Can you show evidence of this?

There is little or no evidence for any results so far. I would urge anyone who wants it to go before me. You are more than welcome to my place in the queue.

Just remember you wont be vaccinated with the same vaccine that the politicians and the Doctors and their families will be injected with.

https://www.thelocal.de/20091018/22649

gar32

gar32 wrote: »

If you are under 50 years old and get the Covid you have 99.95% chance of surviving. There is no need for a vaccine.

No. It's closer to 99%.
Also you seem to be ignoring the other side effect of the virus and the secondary effects such as strain on medical infrastructure.
You also ignore any potential long term effects, which is ironic how people are whinging about the potential long term effects of the the vaccine. I'm curious how you can conclude that covid has no harmful long term effects yet still claim we can't possibly know that for a vaccine.
Seems contradictory to me.

Also remember that it's been show that the chances of any side effects of a vaccine are vanishingly small.
If you take the vaccine you have a 99.99988% Chance of not experiening any serious side effect. Your figure only includes death alone.

So if you are saying that a 0.05% chance of death is nothing to worry about, then a 0.00012% chance of any side effect is even less than nothing to worry about.
So you've no reason to not take the vaccine.

So according to you why do doctors and medical organisations believe that vaccines are nessesary?
What's the "real" reason for this in your view? What's the conspiracy?

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

That’s the answer I was expecting

Cool. So please answer it.
Cause I think it's pretty clear to most people that you can't answer it.

enno99

U.S. Food and Drug Administration staff recommends monitoring people who get Pfizer or Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine shots for possible cases of Bell’s palsy, saying it’s not necessarily a side effect but worth watching out for after a handful of trial participants got the condition, which causes half of your face to droop.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staff-recommends-watching-for-bells-palsy-in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html

In one vaccine maybe but two ?

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

U.S. Food and Drug Administration staff recommends monitoring people who get Pfizer or Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine shots for possible cases of Bell’s palsy, saying it’s not necessarily a side effect but worth watching out for after a handful of trial participants got the condition, which causes half of your face to droop.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staff-recommends-watching-for-bells-palsy-in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html

In one vaccine maybe but two ?

However, "currently available information is insufficient to determine a causal relationship with the vaccine," the FDA wrote in briefing documents.

This is why you guys usually avoid posting the reference for your claims. They usually contradict you claims once you actually read them.

skooterblue2

King Mob wrote: »

Cool. So please answer it.
Cause I think it's pretty clear to most people that you can't answer it.

I dont think any of ye understand how it works because it is a completely new technology (mRNA) being rolled out on a mass scale. It is for the masses to try, the ones that scare easy.

Smart people do jump in on the first thing.

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I dont think any of ye understand how it works because it is a completely new technology (mRNA) being rolled out on a mass scale. It is for the masses to try, the ones that scare easy.

Smart people do jump in on the first thing.

MRNA is not new. It's 50 years old, talked about in the 70's, poc in the 80's and used in cancer treatment for 20 or 30 years. It was not financially viable for vaccines previously, but it is not new tech.

Also what's the conspiracy?

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I dont think any of ye understand how it works because it is a completely new technology (mRNA) being rolled out on a mass scale. It is for the masses to try, the ones that scare easy.

Smart people do jump in on the first thing.

Cool.
What evidence do you have of any serious side effects?
What reason do you have to be suspicious of the technology other than that it is relatively new.

Kinda ironic that you talk about others "scaring easily" yet we have people claiming that the vaccine is part of some vaguely defined global conspiracy.

Do you believe that the vaccine is a part of a conspiracy?

skooterblue2

runawaybishop wrote: »

MRNA is not new. It's 50 years old, talked about in the 70's, poc in the 80's and used in cancer treatment for 20 or 30 years. It was not financially viable for vaccines previously, but it is not new tech.

Also what's the conspiracy?

not it is not but mRNA vaccines are, There are no previous mRNA vaccines rolled out on a global scale. The massive rollout with no testing of an appropriate scale? What is all this about a "digital certificate"? Why is Bill Gates a proponent of sustainable population, suddenly all for these vaccines?

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

not it is not but mRNA vaccines are, There are no previous mRNA vaccines rolled out on a global scale. The massive rollout with no testing of an appropriate scale? What is all this about a "digital certificate"? Why is Bill Gates a proponent of sustainable population, suddenly all for these vaccines?

These vaccines had massive testing scale, a lot more than most other vaccines - uptake on trials was huge. They are also just medicine, mRNA has been used in medicine for decades.

I would guess bill gates doesn't want people dying needlessly. Occam's razor and all that. All the data on these vaccines is widely published and peer reviewed. Being a proponent on sustainable population doesn't mean you want people to die needlessly, it means you want sustainable population growth.

skooterblue2

King Mob wrote: »

Cool.
What evidence do you have of any serious side effects?
What reason do you have to be suspicious of the technology other than that it is relatively new.

Kinda ironic that you talk about others "scaring easily" yet we have people claiming that the vaccine is part of some vaguely defined global conspiracy.

Do you believe that the vaccine is a part of a conspiracy?

No I dont have evidence but I welcome you to try it first.
The last few vaccines havent worked out that well. You do know they were settled quietly and got very little press coverage.
The first few of anything are always dodgy.

I have family and friends have been told before it was imagination and been denied by the government, that was later proven wrong in court. You want to trust a Government who are pursuing a UN Agenda 2020 policy of sustainable growth and Then there is the Agenda 2030.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The massive rollout with no testing of an appropriate scale?

There has been testing. Not sure why you're trying to lie and say there wasn't.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What is all this about a "digital certificate"? Why is Bill Gates a proponent of sustainable population, suddenly all for these vaccines?

Why not tell us?
What's the conspiracy theory you're suggesting?

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No I dont have evidence but I welcome you to try it first.
The last few vaccines havent worked out that well. You do know they were settled quietly and got very little press coverage.
The first few of anything are always dodgy.

I have family and friends have been told before it was imagination and been denied by the government, that was later proven wrong in court. You want to trust a Government who are pursuing a UN Agenda 2020 policy of sustainable growth and Then there is the Agenda 2030.

The incident rate of vaccine issues is orders of magnetude smaller than the risk from covid19.

You know what sustainable population growth means, right? Because it doesn't seem like you do.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No I dont have evidence but I welcome you to try it first.

So no evidence then. Great. At least you've the balls to admit that directly.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The last few vaccines havent worked out that well. You do know they were settled quietly and got very little press coverage.
The first few of anything are always dodgy.

Cool. Source for this?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I have family and friends have been told before it was imagination and been denied by the government, that was later proven wrong in court.

Yea funny how many people here have had friend or family they know...

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You want to trust a Government who are pursuing a UN Agenda 2020 policy of sustainable growth and Then there is the Agenda 2030.

What are you talking about and what had it to do with vaccines. Please detail your conspiracy theory here.

skooterblue2

runawaybishop wrote: »

I would guess bill gates doesn't want people dying needlessly. Occam's razor and all that. All the data on these vaccines is widely published and peer reviewed. Being a proponent on sustainable population doesn't mean you want people to die needlessly, it means you want sustainable population growth.

I dont think you understand what "sustainable population" means, Its the equivalent of downsizing in a company. So how do you down size in a company? The ones closest to retirement and last in go first (that usually curbs the population fairly fast). Then you have medicines that make people infertile (Depo Provera, love how the Israelis used it on the black jews). There is the layout.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I dont think you understand what "sustainable population" means, Its the equivalent of downsizing in a company. So how do you down size in a company? The ones closest to retirement and last in go first (that usually curbs the population fairly fast). Then you have medicines that make people infertile (Depo Provera, love how the Israelis used it on the black jews). There is the layout.

Ah so you believe in the conspiracy idea that Bill Gates is going to use the vaccine to depopulate the world.

What was that about people being "easily scared"?

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I dont think you understand what "sustainable population" means, Its the equivalent of downsizing in a company. So how do you down size in a company? The ones closest to retirement and last in go first (that usually curbs the population fairly fast). Then you have medicines that make people infertile (Depo Provera, love how the Israelis used it on the black jews). There is the layout.

That's just pure bull****. Sustainable growth does not mean killing people off. Nor is there the slightest bit of evidence that any of the several peer reviewed and widely scrutinised vaccines could do anything of the sort.

runawaybishop

King Mob wrote: »

Ah so you believe in the conspiracy idea that Bill Gates is going to use the vaccine to depopulate the world.

What was that about people being "easily scared"?

It's clever right, he introduces a virus but instead of using that to kill a ton of people he kills a lot less of them with the vaccine.

skooterblue2

King Mob wrote: »

So no evidence then. Great. At least you've the balls to admit that directly.
Cool. Source for this?

Yea funny how many people here have had friend or family they know...

What are you talking about and what had it to do with vaccines. Please detail your conspiracy theory here.

Yeah the Avian Flu and Swine flu vaccines and heard nasty stories about Gardasil. They were hushed up quietly.

My mother was infected with Hep C when I was born, they tested her blood afterwards for years and never told her.
I went to the same school as Vicky Phelan. Did you read how they intimidated her? Did you wonder how many women before her they made sign non disclosure contracts?

The HSE and their employees are scum, all on the teat from the pharmaceutical industry. I had my GP strongly suggesting that I get a flu vaccine for sarcoidosis last summer. He got told where to shove it.

enno99

Bells Palsy

herpes simplex, which causes cold sores and genital herpes
HIV, which damages the immune system
sarcoidosis, which causes organ inflammation
herpes zoster virus, which causes chickenpox and shingles
Epstein-Barr virus, which causes mononucleosis
Lyme disease, which is a bacterial infection caused by infected ticks

https://www.healthline.com/health/bells-palsy#causes

Australia's billion dollar coronavirus vaccine is SCRAPPED after trial participants returned HIV false positives - causing order for 51million doses of the home-grown jab to be terminated

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9040785/Queenslands-billion-dollar-coronavirus-vaccine-sensationally-SCRAPPED.html

COVID-19 and HIV Are Not the Same. But They’re Similar in Many Ways That Matter.

https://www.thebody.com/article/covid-19-aids-not-same-but-similar-in-many-ways

Might be nothing but they are a lot of unknowns with this

skooterblue2

runawaybishop wrote: »

It's clever right, he introduces a virus but instead of using that to kill a ton of people he kills a lot less of them with the vaccine.

Or he makes them infertile like those Black Jews from Ethiopia in Israel? Just knock out the next generation and see what happens?

runawaybishop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Or he makes them infertile like those Black Jews from Ethiopia in Israel? Just knock out the next generation and see what happens?

Or he makes a magic ray gun that irradiates them.

These vaccines are peer reviewed. There are way easier ways to slow population growth. Why look for such a convoluted hypothesis?

silliussoddius

enno99 wrote: »

Bells Palsy

herpes simplex, which causes cold sores and genital herpes
HIV, which damages the immune system
sarcoidosis, which causes organ inflammation
herpes zoster virus, which causes chickenpox and shingles
Epstein-Barr virus, which causes mononucleosis
Lyme disease, which is a bacterial infection caused by infected ticks

https://www.healthline.com/health/bells-palsy#causes

Australia's billion dollar coronavirus vaccine is SCRAPPED after trial participants returned HIV false positives - causing order for 51million doses of the home-grown jab to be terminated

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9040785/Queenslands-billion-dollar-coronavirus-vaccine-sensationally-SCRAPPED.html

COVID-19 and HIV Are Not the Same. But They’re Similar in Many Ways That Matter.

https://www.thebody.com/article/covid-19-aids-not-same-but-similar-in-many-ways

Might be nothing but they are a lot of unknowns with this

They scrapped it! Bill gates won't be happy the Aussies got in the way of his secret plan.