The Vaccine

ohnonotgmail

Lex Luthor wrote: »

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/next-four-to-six-months-could-be-worst-of-pandemic-bill-gates/amp_articleshow/79709807.cms?__twitter_impression=true

How does a computer geek know so much about a virus?

Hey king mob and dohnjoe, maybe you could both interrogate him

he is a multi billionaire with a lot of time on his hands to read and access to the best medical minds on the planet to ask questions of. Combined with generally being the smartest man in the room it is no surprise he knows so much about it.

ohnonotgmail

Lex Luthor wrote: »

EyesClosed wrote: »

And this is a conspiracy...how?

I'll get to that shortly

any idea when? will it be this century?

Lex Luthor

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he is a multi billionaire with a lot of time on his hands to read and access to the best medical minds on the planet to ask questions of. Combined with generally being the smartest man in the room it is no surprise he knows so much about it.

and a spokesman for the big pharma companies and WHO aswell?

Where's Tedros Adhanom? Surely he should be doing this?

Oh ya I forgot, he's possibly facing genocide charges

ohnonotgmail

Lex Luthor wrote: »

and a spokesman for the big pharma companies and WHO aswell?

Where's Tedros Adhanom? Surely he should be doing this?

Oh ya I forgot, he's possibly facing genocide charges

bill is not a spokesman for anybody. Does he claim to be?

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

...what?
What money...where..who..why? Any Answers at all?

pwurple

Lex Luthor wrote: »

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So we now have 2 conflicting approaches from Luke O'Neill and Prof Whitty
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-strain-travel-5299901-Dec2020/

Luke O'Neill has said that if the virus mutates, then the RNA vaccines can be modified quickly
Prof Whitty has said it would be “surprising” if the vaccines already in development were not effective against it.

So which is it?

Both.

You know that picture that goes along with Covid, the spikey ball? I think of it like a stickle-brick. For the vaccine to work, it only needs a partial match to stick. So, a vaccine is usually effective for multiple strains.

It's also true that vaccines can be adjusted /modified if needed. "Quickly".... That's subjective. It's not days... more like months. But that's a fallback, it's not expected to be needed.



If you think about the beginnings of Vaccines.... all this knowledge is based on finding that having had Cowpox was protective against smallpox. (Vacca is the latin for Cow, always wondered why the anti-vac groups use sheep instead of Cow for their insults, what a miss! Cows would be way more fitting). Previously people were doing things like eating smallpox pus , or ground up smallpox scabs in crappy attempts to protect themselves. That clobbered as many people who tried it as it saved. Cowpox was much better, a partial match that didn't come with the risk of killing you.


Anyway, the point is, cowpox was a partial fit with smallpox and so offered that protection. just like the various covid vaccines can be a partial match for multiple strains of covid.

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Well tons of conspiracy mongers make a ton of money out of selling their nonsense to you guys.
So therefore they're actually behind the corona virus.

Follow the money!

pwurple

I know from my job in supply chain that at least one of the vaccines is being produced not for profit. Ie, supplied at cost.

(And I didn't see any line item for snakey expensive nano-technology on there either by the way! but if you see any jabs being sold at 100,000$ a go to cover that kind of tech, let me know.)

What money?

EyesClosed

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

any idea when? will it be this century?

He replied with a music video...that's me answered so

runawaybishop

pwurple wrote: »

Both.

You know that picture that goes along with Covid, the spikey ball? I think of it like a stickle-brick. For the vaccine to work, it only needs a partial match to stick. So, a vaccine is usually effective for multiple strains.

It's also true that vaccines can be adjusted /modified if needed. "Quickly".... That's subjective. It's not days... more like months. But that's a fallback, it's not expected to be needed.



If you think about the beginnings of Vaccines.... all this knowledge is based on finding that having had Cowpox was protective against smallpox. (Vacca is the latin for Cow, always wondered why the anti-vac groups use sheep instead of Cow for their insults, what a miss! Cows would be way more fitting). Previously people were doing things like eating smallpox pus , or ground up smallpox scabs in crappy attempts to protect themselves. That clobbered as many people who tried it as it saved. Cowpox was much better, a partial match that didn't come with the risk of killing you.


Anyway, the point is, cowpox was a partial fit with smallpox and so offered that protection. just like the various covid vaccines can be a partial match for multiple strains of covid.

Right, much like the flu vaccine/s. If it varies a lot a new vaccine may need to be developed.

Lex Luthor

So it is all about control

Gives himself plenty of air time, but wont engage in a debate

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

So it is all about control

Gives himself plenty of air time, but wont engage in a debate

what control? can you answer my questions now please...you promised you would

Lex Luthor

Did you not hear what he just said?
No vaccine no school, thats the usual response to people who wont take the vaccine and their children
Exclude them

But he said schools were safe

Lex Luthor

and you have Eilis Ryan of the Workers Party weighing in saying the vaccine should be mandatory

She's done a bit of a u-turn then in regard to her campaign on abortion when she was a bit advocate for the STOP POLICING MY BODY CAMPAIGN

I'd say the local office supplies stores around Kildare St have all run out of brown envelopes

olestoepoke

I'm all for vacinnes, my two children were born in the us and spent their first few years there and so were needled up more than kids here in Ireland. Their doc here couldn't believe the amount of jabs they got. That said I'm uncomfortable the way this one is being rolled out. It all feels a little rushed and forced to me. I read that my chances of survival if I get covid is around the 98% mark so why not just vaccinate the vulnerable and those that want it and let people alone who don't want it?

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

and you have Eilis Ryan of the Workers Party weighing in saying the vaccine should be mandatory

She's done a bit of a u-turn then in regard to her campaign on abortion when she was a bit advocate for the STOP POLICING MY BODY CAMPAIGN

I'd say the local office supplies stores around Kildare St have all run out of brown envelopes

You're really clutching at straws now. Might be time to have a little think about whether there is actually a conspiracy or if you just want there to be one to satisfy your wild imagination.

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Did you not hear what he just said?
No vaccine no school, thats the usual response to people who wont take the vaccine and their children
Exclude them

But he said schools were safe

I won't watch a random video no...I am asking you what the conspiracy is.
I don't want music videos, youtube videos, tweets, blog posts etc etc.
Just a direct answer from you...what is the vaccine conspiracy in your own words...please

Dohnjoe

EyesClosed wrote: »

I am asking you what the conspiracy is.

Seems to be a recurring theme with every "conspiracy" here.

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

You're really clutching at straws now. Might be time to have a little think about whether there is actually a conspiracy or if you just want there to be one to satisfy your wild imagination.

are you suggesting I should be excluded?

EyesClosed

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Seems to be a recurring theme with every "conspiracy" here.

This is my 4th time asking now

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

are you suggesting I should be excluded?

Could you answer me? Please?

Lex Luthor

EyesClosed wrote: »

I won't watch a random video no...I am asking you what the conspiracy is.
I don't want music videos, youtube videos, tweets, blog posts etc etc.
Just a direct answer from you...what is the vaccine conspiracy in your own words...please

you guys are constantly looking for proof, links, etc

give them to you and you say they are not proof

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you guys are constantly looking for proof, links, etc

give them to you and you say they are not proof

That is not what I said at all...I said... in your own words...what is the conspiracy?

Lex Luthor

EyesClosed wrote: »

Could you answer me? Please?

No begging at this corner

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

No begging at this corner

So no, you can't answer me...so there is no conspiracy?

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

are you suggesting I should be excluded?

Excluded from what? Who is going to exclude you?
Seriously why are you so against a vaccine that may be the only way for the world to return to normal? Why are you having trouble accepting this? Is it paranoia or are you so against big corporations that you are willing for every year for the foreseeable future to be like 2020?

Even if you can't answer those questions( none of them are particularly difficult) just answer this one...why should I be worried about the vaccine?

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

you guys are constantly looking for proof, links, etc

give them to you and you say they are not proof

You rarely provide the links and evidence you're asked for, when when you do, it becomes very apparent that you were lying or where misunderstanding what was in the link. And this was likely the reason you were so reluctant to provide them.

Likewise the reason you are so afraid to actually state your beliefs, is that you know they are ridiculous and will be torn apart very easily.
Or worse yet, it will expose that you're talking out of your arse and you can't even invent a ridiculous conspiracy that hasn't been fed to you by youtube cranks.

ohnonotgmail

Lex Luthor wrote: »

are you suggesting I should be excluded?

probably more that you haven't actually contributed much except vagueness.

Dohnjoe

"There's a conspiracy"

-"Okay what it the conspiracy?"

50 pages of dodging, evading and vapid whataboutery

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

Seriously why are you so against a vaccine that may be the only way for the world to return to normal?

Are you suggesting I put a drug into my body that I am not comfortable taking in order for the world to maybe return to normal?
Thats a big ask if you are

aido79 wrote: »

Even if you can't answer those questions( none of them are particularly difficult) just answer this one...why should I be worried about the vaccine?

I can't tell you why you should be worried about the vaccine but if you have doubts, queries, concerns, ask yourself the following questions:

• Do you trust a vaccine that was developed in record time compared to other vaccines that took many many years to develop?
• Do you trust a vaccine that is being developed by companies that have pushed for exemptions from lawsuits from any harmful side effects and complications?
• Do you trust a government that has agreed to indemnify five drug companies producing Covid-19 vaccines against any liabilities that arise from complications?
• Do you trust RNA vaccines when there was very limited clinical studies for long term effects of the vaccine?
• Do you trust the clinical trials of the vaccine or believe they were done sufficiently?
• Do you believe the clinical trials were done for long enough to establish any medium to long term side effects?

These would be the questions I have asked myself and are the reasons I have based my decision on why I wont be taking it

I hope this answers your question