The Vaccine

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Are you suggesting I put a drug into my body that I am not comfortable taking in order for the world to maybe return to normal?
Thats a big ask if you are





I can't tell you why you should be worried about the vaccine but if you have doubts, queries, concerns, ask yourself the following questions:

• Do you trust a vaccine that was developed in record time compared to other vaccines that took many many years to develop?
• Do you trust a vaccine that is being developed by companies that have pushed for exemptions from lawsuits from any harmful side effects and complications?
• Do you trust a government that has agreed to indemnify five drug companies producing Covid-19 vaccines against any liabilities that arise from complications?
• Do you trust RNA vaccines when there was very limited clinical studies for long term effects of the vaccine?
• Do you trust the clinical trials of the vaccine or believe they were done sufficiently?
• Do you believe the clinical trials were done for long enough to establish any medium to long term side effects?

These would be the questions I have asked myself and are the reasons I have based my decision on why I wont be taking it

I hope this answers your question

Why should people answer your questions (many of which have already been answered over and over on this thread) when you refuse to answer any posed to you?

Lex Luthor

EyesClosed wrote: »

Why should people answer your questions (many of which have already been answered over and over on this thread) when you refuse to answer any posed to you?

I never asked anyone to answer my questions, I asked them to ask themselves

I dont need to know

Hope this helps

EyesClosed

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I never asked anyone to answer my questions, I asked them to ask themselves

I dont need to know

Hope this helps

Not really...I'm still waiting for you to fulfil your promise to me of an explanation of your conspiracy theory...

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I can't tell you why you should be worried about the vaccine but if you have doubts, queries, concerns, ask yourself the following questions:

• Do you trust a vaccine that was developed in record time compared to other vaccines that took many many years to develop?
• Do you trust a vaccine that is being developed by companies that have pushed for exemptions from lawsuits from any harmful side effects and complications?
• Do you trust a government that has agreed to indemnify five drug companies producing Covid-19 vaccines against any liabilities that arise from complications?
• Do you trust RNA vaccines when there was very limited clinical studies for long term effects of the vaccine?
• Do you trust the clinical trials of the vaccine or believe they were done sufficiently?
• Do you believe the clinical trials were done for long enough to establish any medium to long term side effects?

These would be the questions I have asked myself and are the reasons I have based my decision on why I wont be taking it

I hope this answers your question

But as we've seen you don't have any rational reason for any of these fears beyond your general fear of scientific words and ignorance of how vaccines and viruses work.

And on top of that, you are have had to be very dishonest to pretend your concerns are based on rational reasons.
This is shown in your above questions which have many misrepresentation that have been explained to you in detail many times.

Again, the vaccines have been proved to be safe. That's simply a fact.
You have to invent a mad conspiracy theory to explain away from this fact.

You've been shown that the chances of ANY side effect from vaccines are thousands of times less likely than dying from covid.
You maintain that covid isn't something to worry about. Thus you should maintain that the vaccines are even less of a thing to worry about.
You've been asked to explain this contradiction before, but you ran away because you can't explain it. Another example of the dishonesty you have to engage it.

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Are you suggesting I put a drug into my body that I am not comfortable taking in order for the world to maybe return to normal?
Thats a big ask if you are





I can't tell you why you should be worried about the vaccine but if you have doubts, queries, concerns, ask yourself the following questions:

• Do you trust a vaccine that was developed in record time compared to other vaccines that took many many years to develop?
• Do you trust a vaccine that is being developed by companies that have pushed for exemptions from lawsuits from any harmful side effects and complications?
• Do you trust a government that has agreed to indemnify five drug companies producing Covid-19 vaccines against any liabilities that arise from complications?
• Do you trust RNA vaccines when there was very limited clinical studies for long term effects of the vaccine?
• Do you trust the clinical trials of the vaccine or believe they were done sufficiently?
• Do you believe the clinical trials were done for long enough to establish any medium to long term side effects?

These would be the questions I have asked myself and are the reasons I have based my decision on why I wont be taking it

I hope this answers your question

Only you can answer the first question but the world will return to normal with or without you taking it because there are enough people who don't see it as a conspiracy.

My answer to all the other questions is yes except for the last because it is impossible to establish the medium to longterm side effects. I believe the correct procedures were followed albeit in a different sequence than they have for other vaccines. I am unlikely to be offered the vaccine in the first half of 2021 and by then millions of people will have been vaccinated by then so any harmful effects will most likely be discovered before then.

Are you sceptical of everything new or just this? The vaccine was developed in record time but maybe that's because they weren't starting from scratch like they have been with other vaccines. They used previous research on coronavirus and mRNA that has been in development for decades to develop the vaccine. It's a bit like a car company, they don't have to reinvent the wheel every time a new model is produced.

You've answered some questions now try this one....What is the conspiracy theory??

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

You've answered some questions now try this one....What is the conspiracy theory??

You used your lifeline

what really baffles me is that people are saying they are wearing masks in case they may have COVID to protect others as its difficult to tell if you have the virus

So when you get the vaccine and they take their mask off, do they still think they cant pass covid onto someone?

Because if they do they are wrong...!!!

Once you get the vaccine you can still get COVID, but you just wont get sick/hospitalized or die from it (as the vaccine is supposed to protect you)
So if you dont feel the symptoms, but if there is someone out there who is vulnerable, maybe cant take the vaccine for health reasons, the vaccinated person can still spread it
Thats similar to being a superspreader

runawaybishop

What is the conspiracy lex?

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

You used your lifeline

What conspiracy are you suggesting and why won't you elaborate on it?

enno99

aido79 wrote: »

I am unlikely to be offered the vaccine in the first half of 2021 and by then millions of people will have been vaccinated by then so any harmful effects will most likely be discovered before then.

Sums it up really
I will advocate for others to take it let them be guinea pigs see how it goes

Lex Luthor

enno99 wrote: »

Sums it up really
I will advocate for others to take it let them be guinea pigs see how it goes

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

You used your lifeline

what really baffles me is that people are saying they are wearing masks to protect others in case they may have COVID as its difficult to tell if you have the virus

So when you get the vaccine and they take their mask off, do they still think they cant pass covid onto someone?

Because if they do they are wrong...!!!

Once you get the vaccine you can still get COVID, but you just wont get sick/hospitalized or die from it (as the vaccine is supposed to protect you)
So if you dont feel the symptoms, but if there is someone out there who is vulnerable, maybe cant take the vaccine for health reasons, the vaccinated person can still spread it
Thats similar to being a superspreader

What lifeline? I just asked the only question that you don't seem to be able to answer.

I don't think anyone will be advised to stop wearing masks until it's proven that people who are vaccinated can't spread the virus. This is really simple stuff. Why are you trying to complicate it and make it sound like a conspiracy when it clearly isn't?

aido79

enno99 wrote: »

Sums it up really
I will advocate for others to take it let them be guinea pigs see how it goes

Just to clarify, if I was offered the vaccine tomorrow I would take it without hesitation. If that makes me a Guinea pig in your eyes then believe me I won't lose any sleep over it.

skooterblue2

EyesClosed wrote: »

So no, you can't answer me...so there is no conspiracy?

By the time you work out what is going on, It will all be over.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

By the time you work out what is going on, It will all be over.

Care to explain what's going on?
Cause it's been 54 pages and not a single conspiracy theorist has been able to explain it.
Just a lot of ignorance and lies.

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

until it's proven that people who are vaccinated can't spread the virus.

hmmm thats not how it works

Even though your vaccinated, you always have the potential to spread it

That wont change over time

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

Just to clarify, if I was offered the vaccine tomorrow I would take it without hesitation. If that makes me a Guinea pig in your eyes then believe me I won't lose any sleep over it.

for anyone who is not in the first few categories to get the vaccine, that is a very easy statement to make

Try telling that to an OAP in a care home who has no next of kin and is scared to death of someone putting a needle in their arm against their wishes

Ted_YNWA

Lex Luthor wrote: »

No begging at this corner

Lex Luthor wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Lex Luthor wrote: »

are you suggesting I should be excluded?

Mod

If you don't up your posting style & treat the thread & forum seriously, you will be excluded.

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

for anyone who is not in the first few categories to get the vaccine, that is a very easy statement to make

Try telling that to an OAP in a care home who has no next of kin and is scared to death of someone putting a needle in their arm against their wishes

Again, you've been telling us that the death toll from covid is not something to worry about. This death rate is far higher in these OAPs you're suddenly so worried about.
You've been shown the chances of any side effects of vaccines are thousands of times less likely than dying from covid.

Your concern here is obviously false.
You aren't actually all that bothered about the welfare of older people. If you were, you'd be far more concerned about the effects of covid than the possible effects of a vaccine that you can't actually point to or explain.

This is simply a dishonest ploy you're trying to save face by appealing to emotion about the safety of older people.

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

hmmm thats not how it works

Even though your vaccinated, you always have the potential to spread it

That wont change over time

How do you know this?

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

for anyone who is not in the first few categories to get the vaccine, that is a very easy statement to make

Try telling that to an OAP in a care home who has no next of kin and is scared to death of someone putting a needle in their arm against their wishes

How many of these people have you spoken to in your research? What about the OAP's in a care home who are scared to death of covid19 because it has caused the death of so many people like them?

Lex Luthor

Lex Luthor wrote: »

hmmm thats not how it works

Even though your vaccinated, you always have the potential to spread it

That wont change over time

Again, you're showing you don't really know how vaccines or viruses work.
I'm pretty sure that you don't now.

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

How do you know this?

read some of Peter Doshi's articles from the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

Tal Zaks, chief medical officer at Moderna
Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission,” Zaks said

So none of the 7 companies producing a vaccine ran tests for the interruption of transmission (person to person spread)

I think thats an important key factor, dont you?

ohnonotgmail

Lex Luthor wrote: »

read some of Peter Doshi's articles from the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

Tal Zaks, chief medical officer at Moderna
Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission,” Zaks said

So none of the 7 companies producing a vaccine ran tests for the interruption of transmission (person to person spread)

I think thats an important key factor, dont you?

the oxford trial did run tests for transmission https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-23-oxford-university-breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

read some of Peter Doshi's articles from the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

Tal Zaks, chief medical officer at Moderna
Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission,” Zaks said

So none of the 7 companies producing a vaccine ran tests for the interruption of transmission (person to person spread)

I think thats an important key factor, dont you?

There are vaccine and Covid threads for this stuff, what's the conspiracy relevance of any of this?

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

read some of Peter Doshi's articles from the BMJ

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

Tal Zaks, chief medical officer at Moderna
Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission,” Zaks said

So none of the 7 companies producing a vaccine ran tests for the interruption of transmission (person to person spread)

I think thats an important key factor, dont you?

So from that you managed to jump to the conclusion that the vaccine will never stop the transmission of the virus?

Seriously this is nothing to do with a conspiracy. You're just looking for a reason not to take the vaccine.

Lex Luthor

aido79 wrote: »

So from that you managed to jump to the conclusion that the vaccine will never stop the transmission of the virus?

Seriously this is nothing to do with a conspiracy. You're just looking for a reason not to take the vaccine.

It wasnt tested, WHY? Because they knew it cant stop the transmission
2 months of testing wouldnt allow for that

I know my reasons for not taking the vaccine

I guarantee you that you wont hear or see many main stream media broadcaster divulge that crucial information
I'd love to know why

They will just tell you about the 95% efficacy

Lex Luthor

I apologise if any of my posts today caused stress to anyone on here

aido79

Lex Luthor wrote: »

It wasnt tested, WHY? Because they knew it cant stop the transmission
2 months of testing wouldnt allow for that

I know my reasons for not taking the vaccine

I guarantee you that you wont hear or see many main stream media broadcaster divulge that crucial information
I'd love to know why

They will just tell you about the 95% efficacy

What crucial information? It's been well reported that there is unsurity about whether the vaccine stops transmission of the virus.
Will the crucial information help me to figure out what the conspiracy is?

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

It wasnt tested, WHY? Because they knew it cant stop the transmission
2 months of testing wouldnt allow for that

I know my reasons for not taking the vaccine

I guarantee you that you wont hear or see many main stream media broadcaster divulge that crucial information
I'd love to know why

They will just tell you about the 95% efficacy

What's the conspiracy?

General ignorance of how vaccines work and lack of understanding is not evidence of a conspiracy.

gar32

If you are under 50 years old and get the Covid you have 99.95% chance of surviving. There is no need for a vaccine.