The Vaccine

Dohnjoe · 12-12-2020 02:41AM

Interesting how almost every thread is identical. Conspiracy supporters with no coherent conspiracy, just resorting to being contrarian and pedantic for the sake of it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-12-2020 09:49AM

Approved User Assesment wrote: »

Easily? Or would it be a very long drawn out process, lots of documents, reports, costs, time and labour?

https://www.thejournal.ie/swine-flu-narcolepsy-court-cases-4578353-Apr2019/

I dunno, let me consult my magic 8 ball :rolleyes:

12-12-2020 10:36AM

Approved User Assesment wrote: »

Easily? Or would it be a very long drawn out process, lots of documents, reports, costs, time and labour?

https://www.thejournal.ie/swine-flu-narcolepsy-court-cases-4578353-Apr2019/

It would be pretty reasonable to expect for it to be proven that it's vaccine related... Out of interest, where do you stand on the hpv vaccine and mmr vaccine? Do you think we'd be better off without them?

enno99 · 12-12-2020 11:13AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'll ask again, it's quite simple, why did cases decrease after the first increase?

The number of people in ICU wards, on ventilators, started to fall after the first rise, why is that?

There are children who can answer these questions.

God your thick

They found better treatments

greenspurs · 12-12-2020 12:47PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Interesting how almost every thread is identical. Conspiracy media/government/narrative supporters with no the coherent conspiracy agenda, just resorting to being contrarian and pedantic the narrative for the sake of it.

Easy to argue

greenspurs · 12-12-2020 12:53PM

King Mob wrote: »

Again, the chances of side effects of vaccines are thousands of times less likely than dying from covid.
No one seems to want to acknowledge this point...

Can you type any other reply ?

Where has influenza gone ??

"In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter.

Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths."
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

NONE in Ireland this year ! WOW .....
https://www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/

"Professor Ian Barr, deputy director of the World Health Organisation’s collaborating centre for reference and research on influenza in Melbourne told The Guardian that flu cases had “fallen off a cliff since March”.

12-12-2020 01:01PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Can you type any other reply ?

Of course I can. But not sure why I should just drop the point cause you cats want to run away from it.

Perhaps you could try addressing it?
But I predict more deflection and running away.

Which is more dangerous, Covid or vaccines?
The evidence says it's covid by a factor of at least 10000.
You guys are saying it's the vaccine.

Why be more afraid of the vaccine than covid?

greenspurs · 12-12-2020 01:02PM

King Mob wrote: »

Of course I can. But not sure why I should just drop the point cause you cats want to run away from it.

Perhaps you could try addressing it?
But I predict more deflection and running away.

You use it as a reply to any other questions??
Not clever really is it.

Wheres flu gone ??

US2 · 12-12-2020 01:06PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Can you type any other reply ?

Where has influenza gone ??

"In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter.

Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths."
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

NONE in Ireland this year ! WOW .....
https://www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/

"Professor Ian Barr, deputy director of the World Health Organisation’s collaborating centre for reference and research on influenza in Melbourne told The Guardian that flu cases had “fallen off a cliff since March”.

Coronavirus is the flu, just renamed.

12-12-2020 01:08PM

greenspurs wrote: »

You use it as a reply to any other questions??
Not clever really is it.

Only because you guys keep trying to deflect away from it.
You keep trying to deflect away from it because you can't address it.
You can't address it because your beliefs aren't true and are based on irrational nonsense.

If that's not the case, please address the point.

greenspurs wrote: »

Wheres flu gone ??

We can address the point after we address the one that's been left hanging.
From experience, I know that if I try to address this next point, you guys will likewise ignore the explanation and counter points and try to deflect from that one too.

The topic of the thread is not the flu, it's the vaccine.
So, why are you more worried about the vaccine than covid when covid is ten thousand times more dangerous?

Again, I predict you won't answer and you'll deflect.

12-12-2020 01:10PM

greenspurs wrote: »

You use it as a reply to any other questions??
Not clever really is it.

Wheres flu gone ??

There's been a huge degree of care taken by people that would be absent most other years. Eg distancing and masks. On top of that, we barely even have inward travel to the country plus it's less infectious than coronavirus. So all of this adds up to no flu in Ireland. Every country has faced a decrease in flu because of measures.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-12-2020 01:34PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Can you type any other reply ?

Where has influenza gone ??

"In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter.

Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths."
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

NONE in Ireland this year ! WOW .....
https://www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/

"Professor Ian Barr, deputy director of the World Health Organisation’s collaborating centre for reference and research on influenza in Melbourne told The Guardian that flu cases had “fallen off a cliff since March”.

You mean when social distancing started? When people worked from home instead of packed into offices? When less people used public transport? When less people were out socialising in packed bars and clubs?

Its almost as if this proves social distancing and lockdowns work.

greenspurs · 12-12-2020 01:43PM

King Mob wrote: »

Only because you guys keep trying to deflect away from it.
You keep trying to deflect away from it because you can't address it.
You can't address it because your beliefs aren't true and are based on irrational nonsense.

If that's not the case, please address the point.

We can address the point after we address the one that's been left hanging.
From experience, I know that if I try to address this next point, you guys will likewise ignore the explanation and counter points and try to deflect from that one too.

The topic of the thread is not the flu, it's the vaccine.
So, why are you more worried about the vaccine than covid when covid is ten thousand times more dangerous?

Again, I predict you won't answer and you'll deflect.

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ??

:rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

:rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-12-2020 01:46PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ?? :rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

:rolleyes:

So people should be able to make any ludicrous claim they want and not answer when questions are asked? Is it an echo chamber you want where only people who agree with you post?

Its never ceases to amaze me how many conspiracy theorists get angry like this when asked to back up thier claims. Why dodge the questions?

Pablo Escobar · 12-12-2020 01:49PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You mean when social distancing started? When people worked from home instead of packed into offices? When less people used public transport? When less people were out socialising in packed bars and clubs?

Its almost as if this proves social distancing and lockdowns work.

It is indeed an incredible co-incidence.

fergus1001 · 12-12-2020 02:02PM

penno wrote:

It is terrible that anyone who voices their reservations about taking the vaccine are called 'conspiracy theorists' or shot down straight away as having no clue as to how a vaccine works.

1. because they dont

2. its usually accompanied by george soros wants to track me (while they are using a phone that is doing that already) spew

enno99 · 12-12-2020 02:09PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Can you type any other reply ?

Where has influenza gone ??

"In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter.

Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths."
https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/adult/fluva/

NONE in Ireland this year ! WOW .....
https://www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/

"Professor Ian Barr, deputy director of the World Health Organisation’s collaborating centre for reference and research on influenza in Melbourne told The Guardian that flu cases had “fallen off a cliff since March”.

Not to mention decrease in heart failure and other causes of death

Ted_YNWA · 12-12-2020 02:17PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ?? :rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

:rolleyes:

Mod

Everyone is entitled to post here. This is a discussion forum. Regardless what side of the topic you post an opinion on, prepare to DISCUSS it further and expand on it.

As stated above, this is not a echo chamber for one side of any topic.

12-12-2020 02:25PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Do you think you are the chairman of Conspiracy Theories ?? :rolleyes:
You have some cheek to DEMAND answers, get a grip lad, maybe log out of boards for a while and allow others talk .
Theres more than your agenda allowed in here !!

Sure.
I'm asking you to elaborate and explain your position.
You aren't actually doing this for some reason.

I'm simply asking you to explain why you and other conspiracy theorists are so afraid of the vaccine when it's been shown that covid is far more dangerous.

To me, this doesn't make sense. So I'm asking you why it makes sense to you.
For some reason, no one seems to want to answer this (or any question) but they won't explain this reason either.

Again, I don't understand how "please explain and elaborate on your position" can be taken to be somehow trying to limit or stop those positions being expressed.

Lex Luthor · 12-12-2020 04:09PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nope, try again

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

12-12-2020 04:17PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

What do you believe is the true reason for this?

Dohnjoe · 12-12-2020 06:15PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

It's a straightforward question. Why did cases increase in March/April and then decrease just after that?

If you can't answer, then try this: you're running a country, suddenly a very infectious disease hits, you need to reduce it spreading between everyone, so what do you do? (whilst balancing the economy and other factors)

kippy · 12-12-2020 07:30PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so you think its perfectly normal to be sent for a COVID test if you show up at your GP for a skin rash on your leg pre Level 5 lockdown and also having GP's saying they wont see anyone at their surgery without getting a COVID PCR test, but then as soon as L5 hits, the number of tests and people being sent drops significantly?

So too did the positivity rate.....from over 7 percent to circa 2.5 percent......it's fairly basic matchs here.....
People's close contacts went down on average over the periods of increased restrictions....less people need to be tested as a result....
Any btw, doctors requirements did not chance before and during the last set of level 5 restrictions....

JJayoo · 12-12-2020 08:44PM

I have heard that the vaccine will cause reverse anus syndrome??

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-12-2020 08:49PM

JJayoo wrote: »

I have heard that the vaccine will cause reverse anus syndrome??

Only on the antivaxx arseholes :pac:

Steve012 · 12-12-2020 09:24PM

So what is the latest conspiracy theory on C19 ?

It's there we have to deal with it.

One thing I do remember from back in July, 2 Japanese high up virologists said covid19 couldn't have come from bats to humans, plus one of the worlds best scientists at looking at bat virus's (cause they carry so many) also said it might of come from a bat originally but, it looks very unlikely that this strain came purely from a bat, the non scientific term she used was "far too complicated to have solely come from a bat"

It certainly isn't too far fetched that something happened in a lab near Wuhan.

Other than that it's there now, so are vaccines, and if you research and have a good look at the vaccines, they are relatively very safe.

Steve012 · 12-12-2020 09:28PM

JJayoo wrote: »

I have heard that the vaccine will cause reverse anus syndrome??

Fckin hell a reversed arse "didn't some young fella in the sun paper have a reverted arse" he said when he was in hospital he heard in the bed next to him Elvis singing a chorus from "Teddy bear"

Dohnjoe · 12-12-2020 09:42PM

Steve012 wrote: »

So what is the latest conspiracy theory on C19 ?

It's there we have to deal with it.

One thing I do remember from back in July, 2 Japanese high up virologists said covid19 couldn't have come from bats to humans, plus one of the worlds best scientists at looking at bat virus's (cause they carry so many) also said it might of come from a bat originally but, it looks very unlikely that this strain came purely from a bat, the non scientific term she used was "far too complicated to have solely come from a bat"

The issue with this is there is a overwhelming number of virologists and experts who maintain it made the jump from animals to humans, so much so that it's current consensus

storker · 12-12-2020 09:57PM

King Mob wrote: »

Again, I don't understand how "please explain and elaborate on your position" can be taken to be somehow trying to limit or stop those positions being expressed.

Perhaps because you left out "...if you don't want rational people to assume you're just a crank."

Dohnjoe · 12-12-2020 10:13PM

King Mob wrote: »

Again, I don't understand how "please explain and elaborate on your position" can be taken to be somehow trying to limit or stop those positions being expressed.

It exposes that the position is baseless, and some people don't like that.

It's the double-whammy of demonstrating that someone is not just deluding others, but deluding themselves. And in most cases can substitute deluding with "lying to".

The Vaccine

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