The Vaccine

enno99 · 11-12-2020 10:59PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY7xyg-kHqg

Mr Donnelly also confirmed that the State had indemnified drug companies against any liabilities arising from complications with the vaccine.

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2020 11:06PM

enno99 wrote: »

Mr Donnelly also confirmed that the State had indemnified drug companies against any liabilities arising from complications with the vaccine.

And why are they doing this?

All of this has been addressed multiple times in these threads.

Lex Luthor · 11-12-2020 11:14PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yup

Think. This is quite simple stuff. Why did Covid cases decrease and then start increasing again?

Because they ramped up and slowed down testing in and out of lockdown
And before you ask how? Proof?

I know people working at 2 test centres and they confirmed this but I’m wasting my time anyway as the doubters will say otherwise

enno99 · 11-12-2020 11:17PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Again, it's not complex, why did Covid rates start increasing again in the autumn? and bonus question: why have these cases started decreasing?

https://www.britannica.com/science/autumn-season

While seasonal influenza (flu) viruses are detected year-round in the United States, flu viruses are most common during the fall and winter.

Covid test figures fall for seventh week
The number of people being tested for Coronavirus in Cavan has fallen for the seventh consecutive week.

https://www.anglocelt.ie/2020/12/01/covid-test-figures-fall-for-seventh-week/

Lex Luthor · 11-12-2020 11:18PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And why are they doing this?

All of this has been addressed multiple times in these threads.

Because it tries to give people confidence that the vaccine is safe

If you trust this government then you don’t know your history

enno99 · 11-12-2020 11:20PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And why are they doing this?

All of this has been addressed multiple times in these threads.

Ah but why delete it in the later version of the article ?

11-12-2020 11:27PM

enno99 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY7xyg-kHqg

Mr Donnelly also confirmed that the State had indemnified drug companies against any liabilities arising from complications with the vaccine.

I'm pretty sure if the smallpox or polio vaccines came out, there would be legal cases and conspiracy theories. That's effectively the rationale, they simply wouldn't be worth the risk if the pharma companies were sued for every 1 in a million side effect. On top of this, this would not apply if they were knowingly covering up side effects etc.

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2020 11:33PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Because they ramped up and slowed down testing in and out of lockdown

Nope, try again

kippy · 11-12-2020 11:34PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Because they ramped up and slowed down testing in and out of lockdown
And before you ask how? Proof?

I know people working at 2 test centres and they confirmed this but I’m wasting my time anyway as the doubters will say otherwise

You don't think less testing as numbers went down in late October into November was as a result of lower numbers getting the disease, as a result of increased restrictions and as a result less contacts to be tested....

enno99 · 11-12-2020 11:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm pretty sure if the smallpox or polio vaccines came out, there would be legal cases and conspiracy theories. That's effectively the rationale, they simply wouldn't be worth the risk if the pharma companies were sued for every 1 in a million side effect. On top of this, this would not apply if they were knowingly covering up side effects etc.

let government take the risk so would you agree if someone is harmed they should be compensated

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2020 11:36PM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Because it tries to give people confidence that the vaccine is safe

If you trust this government then you don’t know your history

Nope, this isn't some trick, and I don't even know what you are going on about in the above. All of this has been patiently explained in this thread. If you are paranoid this thread is all a "trick", you can go and ask on any medical forum.

11-12-2020 11:38PM

enno99 wrote: »

let government take the risk so would you agree if someone is harmed they should be compensated

Again, the chances of side effects of vaccines are thousands of times less likely than dying from covid.
No one seems to want to acknowledge this point...

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2020 11:38PM

enno99 wrote: »

let government take the risk so would you agree if someone is harmed they should be compensated

Normally vaccine companies take on liabilities, but that's with normal vaccine development cycles. In this (exceptional) case they are being asked to speed up that process, so the government is taking on liability.

enno99 · 11-12-2020 11:39PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nope, this isn't some trick, and I don't even know what you are going on about in the above. All of this has been patiently explained in this thread. If you are paranoid this thread is all a "trick", you can go and ask on any medical forum.

Or you could enlighten us ? you seem to know al the answers

enno99 · 11-12-2020 11:41PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Normally vaccine companies take on liabilities, but that's with normal vaccine development cycles. In this (exceptional) case they are being asked to speed up that process, so the government is taking on liability.

So you can sue the government if you are harmed ?
Are taxpayers onboard with this ?

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2020 11:41PM

enno99 wrote: »

Or you could enlighten us ? you seem to know al the answers

It's next to impossible to believe some posters, who I presume are adults, in this thread are not trolling.

When cases surged in Mar/April, why did those cases start to decrease?

The answer is not "flu season", what is the answer?

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-12-2020 11:44PM

enno99 wrote: »

So you can sue the government if you are harmed ?
Are taxpayers onboard with this ?

Yes you can yes they are.

Dohnjoe · 11-12-2020 11:44PM

enno99 wrote: »

So you can sue the government if you are harmed ?
Are taxpayers onboard with this ?

In certain cases the choice is a) no vaccine for the foreseeable future or b) government liability. It's a representative government, so they've made the decision.

harrylittle · 11-12-2020 11:44PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Again, it's not complex, why did Covid rates start increasing again in the autumn? and bonus question: why have these cases started decreasing?

They increased when the flu shots came out ... coincidence? ... and they decreased again due to herd immunity .. no need for vaccines

11-12-2020 11:46PM

enno99 wrote: »

So you can sue the government if you are harmed ?
Are taxpayers onboard with this ?

Again, why are you guys so worried about side effects when the chances of them are far far smaller than the effects of covid?
You keep saying that covid isn't dangerous. So then this must mean the vaccine isn't dangerous either.

The fear here is not rational.

11-12-2020 11:47PM

harrylittle wrote: »

They increased when the flu shots came out ... coincidence?

Lol are you suggesting it's not?

enno99 · 11-12-2020 11:52PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's next to impossible to believe some posters, who I presume are adults, in this thread are not trolling.

When cases surged in Mar/April, why did those cases start to decrease?

The answer is not "flu season", what is the answer?

Tests were in short supply worldwide if you were following the news you would know this
And stop asking silly questions

enno99 · 11-12-2020 11:54PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

In certain cases the choice is a) no vaccine for the foreseeable future or b) government liability. It's a representative government, so they've made the decision.

have you a source for the government accepting liability ?

Lex Luthor · 12-12-2020 12:25AM

kippy wrote: »

You don't think less testing as numbers went down in late October into November was as a result of lower numbers getting the disease, as a result of increased restrictions and as a result less contacts to be tested....

Less tests equals less positive cases
What part of that do you not understand?

kippy · 12-12-2020 12:45AM

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Less tests equals less positive cases
What part of that do you not understand?

And less positive cases means less tests....what part of that don't you understand?
There were up on 112k test per 7 day week with a positivity rate of over 7 percent in late October.
Last time I checked there were 75 odd k tests done in the past 7 days with a 2.6 percent positivity rate.
I think there's a fairly static 15k tests a week reserved for environments where regular testing is required.

As case numbers go down so too does the requirement for testing in the community.....

Again the logic you are using is as flawed as it gets.....

Those of you saying less testing is the reason for reduced cases as opposed to people adhereing to restrictions is as flawed a logic as you get when the numbers show otherwise......

Dohnjoe · 12-12-2020 02:27AM

harrylittle wrote: »

They increased when the flu shots came out ... coincidence? ... and they decreased again due to herd immunity .. no need for vaccines

It's nothing to do with the flu. Why did the Covid cases generally decrease after the initial rise?

Dohnjoe · 12-12-2020 02:31AM

enno99 wrote: »

have you a source for the government accepting liability ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idUSKCN24V2EN

Dohnjoe · 12-12-2020 02:34AM

enno99 wrote: »

Tests were in short supply worldwide if you were following the news you would know this
And stop asking silly questions

I'll ask again, it's quite simple, why did cases decrease after the first increase?

The number of people in ICU wards, on ventilators, started to fall after the first rise, why is that?

There are children who can answer these questions.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 12-12-2020 02:35AM

I heard off my friend that the vaccine can give you a rock hard erection and a serious urge to plough the living **** out of a few birds. Sounds quite fabulous to be fair.

Approved User Assesment · 12-12-2020 02:37AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yes you can yes they are.

Easily? Or would it be a very long drawn out process, lots of documents, reports, costs, time and labour?

https://www.thejournal.ie/swine-flu-narcolepsy-court-cases-4578353-Apr2019/

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