Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 03:34PM

Dr Pierre Kory pleading with a senate committee to get people working on granting a license for use of Ivermectin in the treatment of coronavirus.

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/dr-pierre-kory-president-of-the-flccc-alliance-testifies-before-senate-committee-on-homeland-security-and-governmental-affairs-looking-into-early-outpatient-covid-19-treatment

11-12-2020 04:06PM

growleaves wrote: »

He is "heightening the contradictions" as Marxists used to say.

Assuming the tests he used were accurate, the bureaucratic rules become in this case an end in themselves rather than a way to stop covid from spreading.

“Assuming the tests he used were accurate”.....I’m just imaging a testing regime run by Al Murray....

ShyMets · 11-12-2020 04:08PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Dr Pierre Kory pleading with a senate committee to get people working on granting a license for use of Ivermectin in the treatment of coronavirus.

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/dr-pierre-kory-president-of-the-flccc-alliance-testifies-before-senate-committee-on-homeland-security-and-governmental-affairs-looking-into-early-outpatient-covid-19-treatment

So when can we expect the big announcement. You're Brother seems to have his figure on the pluse.

stephenjmcd · 11-12-2020 04:16PM

ShyMets wrote: »

So when can we expect the big announcement. You're Brother seems to have his figure on the pluse.

After multiple clinical trials and the full regulatory process.... so eh a long time yet.

Regulators won't touch it yet, nowhere near enough trials or data. Its been mentioned all the way back to last April.

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 04:18PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Dr Pierre Kory pleading with a senate committee to get people working on granting a license for use of Ivermectin in the treatment of coronavirus.

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/dr-pierre-kory-president-of-the-flccc-alliance-testifies-before-senate-committee-on-homeland-security-and-governmental-affairs-looking-into-early-outpatient-covid-19-treatment

Working in a licence. A bit of a wait so. Any update on when from your brother? I thought the other night that it was imminent.

Martina1991 · 11-12-2020 04:23PM

growleaves wrote: »

He is "heightening the contradictions" as Marxists used to say.

Assuming the tests he used were accurate, the bureaucratic rules become in this case an end in themselves rather than a way to stop covid from spreading.

This pub was apparently using tests they bought from a company based in Claremorris called Communicare Medical Supplies. They have no information on their website as to what Covid tests they sell, what they measure or how accurate they are. Any claims of being 99% accurate are likely from the manufacturer themselves and cannot be trusted to apply to a real life setting.

These rapid tests havent been approved for use by the HSE. Any positive results from this pub would therefore not be reported to the HSPC or be contact traced. Its completely uncontrolled.

These rapid tests have poor sensitivity. They WILL miss cases due to not being able to detect low levels of the virus. You have to be highly infectious and likely symptomatic to produce a positive result. Anyone displaying Covid symptoms shouldn't be anywhere near a pub.

Also this pub in Aghamore is not far from Claremorris which currently has one of the highest incidence of Covid cases in the country.
With Covid circulating in the community, using this test would lead to a false sense of security and could lead to further transmission.

TLDR: It was a stupid idea and was always going to lead to trouble.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 04:28PM

Jim_Hodge wrote:

Working in a licence. A bit of a wait so. Any update on when from your brother? I thought the other night that it was imminent.

I never said anything like that.

All I said is my brother stated as a fact that it works and that's good enough for me because he only says those things when he's certain.

seamus · 11-12-2020 04:30PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I never said anything like that.

All I said is my brother stated as a fact that it works and that's good enough for me because he only says those things when he's certain.

I appreciate your confidence in your brother, but thankfully the process for approving treatments requires more than just the personal certainity of some randomer.

lukas8888 · 11-12-2020 04:31PM

ShyMets wrote: »

So when can we expect the big announcement. You're Brother seems to have his figure on the pluse.

In fairness to Eagle and the amount of ridicule heaped on him,it may yet turn out to be a big help in treatment in the future.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 04:54PM

seamus wrote:

I appreciate your confidence in your brother, but thankfully the process for approving treatments requires more than just the personal certainity of some randomer.

And that's all fine, you don't know him like I do and wouldn't share the history we have.

As regards approval, in the link provided above he states they have results from 20 studies with more than 10 being randomised controlled trials.

He mentions a compassionate use authorisation which was given to remdesivir with a lot less evidence.

giveitholly · 11-12-2020 04:55PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And that's all fine, you don't know him like I do and wouldn't share the history we have.

As regards approval, in the link provided above he states they have results from 20 studies with more than 10 being randomised controlled trials.

He mentions a compassionate use authorisation which was given to remdesivir with a lot less evidence.

In fairness it would be kinda hard for some stranger on the internet to know your brother as well as you do

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 05:01PM

giveitholly wrote:

In fairness it would be kinda hard for some stranger on the internet to know your brother as well as you do

This is what I said.

speckle · 11-12-2020 05:04PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I never said anything like that.

All I said is my brother stated as a fact that it works and that's good enough for me because he only says those things when he's certain.

I have ivermectin in the house for months. Been following the small trials and reading the research and listening to medical professionals using it. I would not rule it out yet..it may yet have a place in the tool kit of treatments. Do not use without medical professional advice... note I have the human kind not the animal kind.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 05:08PM

speckle wrote: »

I have ivermectin in the house for months. Been following the small trials and reading the research and listening to medical professionals using it. I would not rule it out yet..it may yet have a place in the tool kit of treatments. Do not use without medical professional advice... note I have the human kind not the animal kind.

There's another very recent breakthrough too with it. A company has discovered how to make it soluble. I'll see if I can find a link and I'll edit this post and put it in if I do.

This is the only link I could find, don't know anything about Canada Newswire.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/mountain-valley-md-confirms-800-increase-in-ivermectin-absorption-with-solubilization-technology-in-pre-clinical-trial-885662622.html

manofwisdom · 11-12-2020 05:21PM

Swab count today?

BlondeBomb · 11-12-2020 05:24PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Swab count today?

Someone will post exact but seems to have gone up 325 (12582 tests) 2.58%

stephenjmcd · 11-12-2020 05:24PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Swab count today?

325 from 12,582, 7 day positivity still at 2.5% so no major change really. Its been holding just under or just above most days this week.

Probably around 300 or so again today, steady enough anyway.

speckle · 11-12-2020 05:28PM

That hopefully will be a game changer for many third world countries for both human and other animal species.. A new thing I didnt know about in that article was its use regarding TB. Here is a paper on its history of use in both animal and human medicine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

A medicinal treatment for covid or not, its one to keep an eye on.

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 05:28PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I never said anything like that.

All I said is my brother stated as a fact that it works and that's good enough for me because he only says those things when he's certain.

I also have a brother who categorically states things as fact until it's proven wrong. It's in the nature of people with strong opinions. I even do the same myself.

It doesn't happen to be wrong that often but it does happen.

Recommending drugs that have not been robustly trialled for that purpose is quackery!

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 05:33PM

speckle wrote: »

That hopefully will be a game changer for many third world countries for both human and other animal species.. A new thing I didnt know about in that article was its use regarding TB. Here is a paper on its history of use in both animal and human medicine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

A medicinal treatment for covid or not, its one to keep an eye on.

Yeah that's the drug that hasn't been properly clinically tested in relation to COVID yet but some doctors want to use it now.

seamus · 11-12-2020 05:41PM

BlondeBomb wrote: »

Someone will post exact but seems to have gone up 325 (12582 tests) 2.58%

7-day stays at 2.5%

We're definitely as low as we're going to get.

If you want a positive outlook: If tomorrow and Sunday are sub-3% that'll be the first time in 3 months that we've had a full week under 3%.

I know it feels like things are bad when the numbers are stable (because the only way is up), but we're still doing fine.

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 05:57PM

seamus wrote: »

7-day stays at 2.5%

We're definitely as low as we're going to get.

If you want a positive outlook: If tomorrow and Sunday are sub-3% that'll be the first time in 3 months.

I know it feels like things are bad when the numbers are stable (because the only way is up), but we're still doing fine.

It is those stubborn counties that are keeping the numbers up! The NI vaccinations may do us a favour with the two border counties.

speckle · 11-12-2020 06:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah that's the drug that hasn't been properly clinically tested in relation to COVID yet but some doctors want to use it now.

Maybe go and check out the early trials data first. It has potential . And then ask yourself why some 'doctors' want to use it or least under the same conditions remdesivir was released to be used. I am not saying it is a miracle cure but definetly I would rather it in my doctors tool kit than not.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 06:16PM

is_that_so wrote:

I also have a brother who categorically states things as fact until it's proven wrong. It's in the nature of people with strong opinions. I even do the same myself. It doesn't happen to be wrong that often but it does happen.

I don't want to get into comparisons but my brother very rarely states anything definitively. This is why I take them as fact.

is_that_so wrote:

Recommending drugs that have not been robustly trialled for that purpose is quackery!

As I said, he is very secretive, for want of a better word, about his work. There's no chance he'd tell me if he had clinical trial information. I believe he's studied it in a work environment with colleagues because I don't think he'd be so certain otherwise.

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 06:18PM

speckle wrote: »

Maybe go and check out the early trials data first. It has potential . And then ask yourself why some 'doctors' want to use it or least under the same conditions remdesivir was released to be used. I am not saying it is a miracle cure but definetly I would rather it in my doctors tool kit than not.

Therein lies the problem, early trials, in other words, nowhere near confirming that it is an option. An Australian vaccine candidate has been scrapped after early trials showed it gave participants HIV antibodies, hydroxychloroquine was stopped in mass trials as it proved ineffective. Lots of things can happen on the road to approval including failure.

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 06:19PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't want to get into comparisons but my brother very rarely states anything definitively. This is why I take them as fact.

As I said, he is very secretive, for want of a better word, about his work. There's no chance he'd tell me if he had clinical trial information. I believe he's studied it in a work environment with colleagues because I don't think he'd be so certain otherwise.

He wouldn't because none exists.

podgeandrodge · 11-12-2020 06:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's another very recent breakthrough too with it. A company has discovered how to make it soluble. I'll see if I can find a link and I'll edit this post and put it in if I do.

This is the only link I could find, don't know anything about Canada Newswire.
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/mountain-valley-md-confirms-800-increase-in-ivermectin-absorption-with-solubilization-technology-in-pre-clinical-trial-885662622.html

But this is alll a good bit away. You mentioned you're bringing your kids back to school on foot of it next week. That's what I don't understand.

speckle · 11-12-2020 06:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Therein lies the problem, early trials, in other words, nowhere near confirming that it is an option. An Australian vaccine candidate has been scrapped after early trials showed it gave participants HIV antibodies, hydroxychloroquine was stopped in mass trials as it proved ineffective. Lots of things can happen on the road to approval including failure.

Well as a drug it has a good historical base to start from the australian one didnot. HCQ is another kettle of mixed results and some flawed trials but yet may still be of a minority use. So you are not comparing like with like. But yes you are correct alot of things can happen on the road to aprroval but it is absolutely too early to knock it on its head as the trial data is looking good so far.

Alot of people understandbly are very happy with the good news part regarding vaccines but we cannot lose sight of searching for even more effective treatments as the vaccines may not cover all eventualitys. I look ahead always how about you?

Should we loose sight of those who are vaccine non responders or those who cannot take them due to their immune systems or pregancy status at the moment or older people who may mount a good enough response?

ShyMets · 11-12-2020 06:35PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

In fairness to Eagle and the amount of ridicule heaped on him,it may yet turn out to be a big help in treatment in the future.[/QUOTE

It may well be and I hope it is. But the OP proclaimed that the Pandemic was over. These claims require extraordinary proof. The OP has provided none so far.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 06:35PM

is_that_so wrote: »

He wouldn't because none exists.

As I mentioned earlier, Lorry claims to have 20 different studies including more than 10 randomised controlled clinical trials.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

But this is alll a good bit away. You mentioned you're bringing your kids back to school on foot of it next week. That's what I don't understand.

I truly believe they'll get a compassionate use authorisation in the US in a matter of weeks. Things are horrendous over there right now, they can't just ignore this.
If they do get authorisation over there it won't be long before it's an option everywhere.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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