Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

DrPhilG · 11-12-2020 10:45AM

Gervais08 wrote: »

I think it’s like Lion King and Aladdin and a live action remake.

Even if it was only a voice role, it would be hugely hypocritical given that the wokies lose their sh*t every time a white actor/actress voices a black or Latino character.

11-12-2020 10:46AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

What difference does it make, shes performing her voice?

Gas how that’s not the same standard for Apu from the Simpsons or Cleveland from Family Guy? White people playing them was insensitive and/or problematic.

But you’re wrong anyway. It’s live action.

Sardonicat · 11-12-2020 10:47AM

Gervais08 wrote: »

I think it’s like Lion King and Aladdin and a live action remake.

Oh right, but it's still a fantasy character, what difference does her skin, hair and eye colour make? I presume she has legs and not a tail, are people objecting to that, too?

CountNjord · 11-12-2020 10:50AM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

he isnt in any traditional conventional sense , neither is Bill Gates , Michael o Leary is , as is Alan Sugar

you can be highly successful without being alpha

Money talks and bullsh't walks.

Financial success and fame and fortune has its drawbacks.
I'd prefer to be a lone lumberjack with an earthy wife living in a log cabin or small farmhouse living within my means
Rugged and beautiful, rather than be one of these clean cut magnate.

Been in the cooperative world and did a total turnaround and bought my house with my earnings and blended into nature.

I got out when I had enough money to fulfill my dream and the lifestyle I always strived for...

Keeping it simple

Sardonicat · 11-12-2020 10:50AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Gas how that’s not the same standard for Apu from the Simpsons or Cleveland from Family Guy? White people playing them was insensitive and/or problematic.

But you’re wrong anyway. It’s live action.

I think it's all nonsense, TBH. Actors act, that's their job.

11-12-2020 10:50AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

I think it's all nonsense, TBH. Actors act, that's their job.

That’s consistent. I like you.

Cordell · 11-12-2020 10:55AM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

he isnt in any traditional conventional sense , neither is Bill Gates , Michael o Leary is , as is Alan Sugar

you can be highly successful without being alpha

All of them are, they're leaders of large successful organizations, they had a huge impact on their field, it doesn't get more alpha than this.

Gervais08 · 11-12-2020 10:56AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Gas how that’s not the same standard for Apu from the Simpsons or Cleveland from Family Guy? White people playing them was insensitive and/or problematic.

But you’re wrong anyway. It’s live action.

Oh good point!! I forgot Hank Azeria lost his job!!

Gervais08 · 11-12-2020 11:00AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

I think it's all nonsense, TBH. Actors act, that's their job.

You are spot on of course but sadly not everyone thinks that way.

Both Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul have took a spectacular amount of grief from wokerati for playing disabled characters.

They want anyone NOT straight, white and able bodied to be played by a person of that “minority”.

Not forgetting though that any real life character who was actually white can he played by anyone as apparently the other way round is fine.

Mental!

11-12-2020 11:29AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Oh right, but it's still a fantasy character, what difference does her skin, hair and eye colour make? I presume she has legs and not a tail, are people objecting to that, too?

You'd better avoid the whole area of YA (young adult) fantasy, especially where it's being applied to TV/Movies. It does matter. It matters a lot, because writing in certain genres has been swamped with writers who favor feminist, Trans, identity themes.... they're very interested in getting their message across, and they're very hooked into social media to gain support for their beliefs.

Fantasy, just like video games, has become the new battleground for the whole gender/identity politics bs.

Sardonicat · 11-12-2020 11:35AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You'd better avoid the whole area of YA (young adult) fantasy, especially where it's being applied to TV/Movies. It does matter. It matters a lot, because writing in certain genres has been swamped with writers who favor feminist, Trans, identity themes.... they're very interested in getting their message across, and they're very hooked into social media to gain support for their beliefs.

Fantasy, just like video games, has become the new battleground for the whole gender/identity politics bs.

Well, as I'm an old adult I dont think I will be troubled much. And it really shouldn't matter to anyone who plays a fantasy character or why.

11-12-2020 11:45AM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Well, as I'm an old adult I dont think I will be troubled much. And it really shouldn't matter to anyone who plays a fantasy character or why.

Oh, I agree. It shouldn't matter, but it does.

I'm in my 40s but I love adult fantasy as a genre. Always have. The problem being that YA authors move into fantasy after a few years. Fantasy suffers from the same problems as YA... probably because its consumer base spends so much time on social media.

But I'll give an example of something similar. I still roleplay. Vampire the Masquerade, Mage the Ascension, etc This being an industry normally left to nerdy guys, stoners and the odd goth girl. I've always loved the LARPS, which are 'live action role play', which has the participants running around acting out the game. It's hilarious. But. the identity politics has made it's way there too. The woke crowd have gate-crashed events in groups, to break up what they consider to be racist, sexist, or whatever. Because they can. Now, many have been employed by the game companies as official representatives to 'manage' events.. because the woke crowd have so much influence in the US (most of the companies that do this stuff are US based)

This matters because they'll do it everywhere they can.... and they have the influence/pressure to get what they want..

EmmetSpiceland · 11-12-2020 11:59AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You'd better avoid the whole area of YA (young adult) fantasy, especially where it's being applied to TV/Movies. It does matter. It matters a lot, because writing in certain genres has been swamped with writers who favor feminist, Trans, identity themes.... they're very interested in getting their message across, and they're very hooked into social media to gain support for their beliefs.

Fantasy, just like video games, has become the new battleground for the whole gender/identity politics bs.

This isn’t anything new. Sci fi/Fantasy writers have been writing about sex and gender for decades. When was Ursula Le Guin’s ‘Left Hand of Darkness’ published? Late 60’s anyway. Even in Roger Zelazny’s ‘Lord of Light’ you have men living as female “deities”.

These genres are always moving with the times. Fantasy isn’t always going to be about elves, dwarves and goblins and sci fi isn’t always going to be stories of Captain Kirk types trying to bone sexy green “aliens”. But, of course, those stories are still there if you want to read them.

11-12-2020 12:02PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

This isn’t anything new. Sci fi/Fantasy writers have been writing about sex and gender for decades. When was Ursula Le Guin’s ‘Left Hand of Darkness’ published? Late 60’s anyway. Even in Roger Zelazny’s ‘Lord of Light’ you have men living as female “deities”.

These genres are always moving with the times. Fantasy isn’t always going to be about elves, dwarves and goblins and sci fi isn’t always going to be stories of Captain Kirk types trying to bone sexy green “aliens”. But, of course, those stories are still there if you want to read them.

I didn't say otherwise. I think you missed my point... That you'll find the woke crowd heavily invested in fantasy.

Which is why it will matter to all of us, because woke people need to ensure that everyone plays ball to their perception of what's acceptable.

Sardonicat · 11-12-2020 12:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I didn't say otherwise. I think you missed my point... That you'll find the woke crowd heavily invested in fantasy.

Which is why it will matter to all of us, because woke people need to ensure that everyone plays ball to their perception of what's acceptable.

You could always find your own people to play with. Unofficially, I mean.

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2020 12:07PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Disney’s The Little Mermaid has promotional material out and features Halle Bailey as Ariel. Some folks are making the point that Ariel is a white character with flame red hair but they’re been shut down as racists for opposing a POC getting cast.

is that a new version of the movie ? , if it is , i dont see a problem

if they were airbrushing the original and inserting an african american character , thats different as its insinuating that it was wrong to have the character white in the original

no reason a new movie cannot have a black mermaid though

11-12-2020 12:09PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

You could always find your own people to play with. Unofficially, I mean.

Sure, and I do... although the whole point of conventions is that you can meet others living far away or meet strangers. Also access to the best game masters, which is something that can be difficult to do well.

Some games have large numbers of players.. but also it's the aspect of being able to play a campaign of Vampire, in the morning, MTG in the afternoon, Paranoia (larp) in the evening, and then Wereworlf in the evening. Variety is nice.

Sardonicat · 11-12-2020 12:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sure, and I do... although the whole point of conventions is that you can meet others living far away or meet strangers. Also access to the best game masters, which is something that can be difficult to do well.

Some games have large numbers of players.. but also it's the aspect of being able to play a campaign of Vampire, in the morning, MTG in the afternoon, Paranoia (larp) in the evening, and then Wereworlf in the evening. Variety is nice.

I'll have to take your word for it, as most of that went over my head. If enough people are getting sick of 'wokeness' taking over, you st least can use the conventions to network with each other and get your own, more free flowing, set up going. I think its only a matter of time before there is real kick back.

Salvation Tambourine · 11-12-2020 12:43PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

is that a new version of the movie ? , if it is , i dont see a problem

if they were airbrushing the original and inserting an african american character , thats different as its insinuating that it was wrong to have the character white in the original

no reason a new movie cannot have a black mermaid though

I think it's a reaction to the presumed outrage if the skin colours were switched. Most 'outrage' from anti-woke people is usually pointing out hypocrisy and double standards.

Cordell · 11-12-2020 12:58PM

I don't see any reason against a black, indian, oriental or whatever mermaid. It's their film to make, the can make whatever they wish.
But the double standard is huge, this is a film based on an European story, just try imagine the woke outrage if a white character were to feature in a film based on an African story.

11-12-2020 01:06PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

I'll have to take your word for it, as most of that went over my head. If enough people are getting sick of 'wokeness' taking over, you st least can use the conventions to network with each other and get your own, more free flowing, set up going. I think its only a matter of time before there is real kick back.

Maybe, although there is some kick back happening now. The problem is the same in most areas.. if you kick back then you're promoting/justifying racism, sexism, etc so it's difficult to gain traction before being thrown into some extremist/freak grouping. I know a number of groups who have tried campaigning or objecting to the woke presence, but have since been banned from official events.. that's hard considering the nature of the community and the expense involved.

Still I get what you're saying.

Feisar · 11-12-2020 01:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd better avoid the whole area of YA (young adult) fantasy, especially where it's being applied to TV/Movies. It does matter. It matters a lot, because writing in certain genres has been swamped with writers who favor feminist, Trans, identity themes.... they're very interested in getting their message across, and they're very hooked into social media to gain support for their beliefs.

Fantasy, just like video games, has become the new battleground for the whole gender/identity politics bs.

The Wheel of Time, Perrin played by a black actor? Makes no sense.

11-12-2020 02:31PM

Feisar wrote: »

The Wheel of Time, Perrin played by a black actor? Makes no sense.

TBF I can't recall their skin color being mentioned throughout the books. Can you?

The only suggestion of skin color is with reference to Trollocs or after Tuon arrives on the scene. Or maybe I'm misremembering.. it's been a while since I read them. Sanderson's ending left a bad taste for me, so I have't returned to it.

Feisar · 11-12-2020 02:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

TBF I can't recall their skin color being mentioned throughout the books. Can you?

The only suggestion of skin color is with reference to Trollocs or after Tuon arrives on the scene. Or maybe I'm misremembering.. it's been a while since I read them. Sanderson's ending left a bad taste for me, so I have't returned to it.

You are right, however on meeting the Atha'an Miere, the gang thought these dark skinned people were very exotic. I thought Sanderson done a reasonable job, I feel the series grew beyond something that could be tied up properly. Also it's not like every book was top notch, a couple could be left out of a reread.

1800_Ladladlad · 11-12-2020 02:59PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Disney’s The Little Mermaid has promotional material out and features Halle Bailey as Ariel. Some folks are making the point that Ariel is a white character with flame red hair but they’re been shut down as racists for opposing a POC getting cast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69XxYjfx-k

There was such a major issue made about whites voicing characters that were black, remember all the twitter statements made. Those same dopes who were outraged cannot abide by their own standards and whites should just deal with it. Double standards. Hypocrisy. Petulance blah blah

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2020 03:30PM

A mermaid is a fictional creature, i don't see a problem with the mermaid being black

keano_afc · 11-12-2020 03:45PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

A mermaid is a fictional creature, i don't see a problem with the mermaid being black

Thats not the issue though, Ariel is a white character and casting a non-white person to voice her should be problematic, if those who gave out about Apu or Cleveland were consistent.

If its ok for a non-white person to voice a white character, it should also be fine for a white person to voice a non-white character. But wokeness says it isnt, so thats why this is hypocritical.

11-12-2020 03:50PM

Feisar wrote: »

You are right, however on meeting the Atha'an Miere, the gang thought these dark skinned people were very exotic. I thought Sanderson done a reasonable job, I feel the series grew beyond something that could be tied up properly. Also it's not like every book was top notch, a couple could be left out of a reread.

Oh, Jordan lost his focus.. but some characters were built up to something (mat), and sanderson just ended them too quickly. A bit like the last season of Game of Thrones. Cutting things short just to end it.. Sanderson did some good things,,. I like most of his other books, but some endings of the character arcs bugged me.

EmmetSpiceland · 11-12-2020 03:56PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

A mermaid is a fictional creature, i don't see a problem with the mermaid being black

I guess it would depend on how often they were “visiting” the surface over the millennia?

EmmetSpiceland · 11-12-2020 03:58PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Thats not the issue though, Ariel is a white character and casting a non-white person to voice her should be problematic, if those who gave out about Apu or Cleveland were consistent.

But in this “version” she’s a womxn of colour. Having a white person voice her would lead to backlash.

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