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Veg plans for 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Hi

    I collected some (dead) seaweed from the beach at the weekend and I'm planning to dig it into my veg patch, cover it until Spring; then dig again and plant. Is that okay or do I need to do anything different?

    Thanks

    Neil


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    I will mostly stick with peas, mange touts, french beans, broad beans and runner beans in 2021. I will have a bed of lettuce, beetroot, kale and spinach. I will try some outdoor tomatoes. That's about it.

    Can anyone recommend a variety of outdoor tomatoes? Does anyone collect tomato seeds from their own harvest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Can anyone recommend a variety of outdoor tomatoes? Does anyone collect tomato seeds from their own harvest?

    This year, yes! While travelling, I was given a few coeur de boeuf tomatoes that I couldn't eat straight away and didn't survive the journey home too well, so I've saved the seed for next year.

    Most years, even though I sow seed from packets, I'd have at least a dozen "wild" plants come up from seed that self-sowed the previous autumn. They're generally the sturdiest specimens ... but I never really know what they're going to be until their fruit ripens.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    was quite happy with myself, got about 60 cloves of garlic in the ground two weeks ago, tidied the bed up and top dressed it. then went back indoors and realised i'd forgotten to plant the elephant garlic. got that done today anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Got delivery of some walking onions and good king Henry perennial spinach.

    Planted out 2x crab apple, hazel, rowan,wild pear and wild cherry.

    Realised on the way in that I put a crab apple in the way of next years greenhouse.
    Need to fix it over the winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    A couple of courses here for any one interested, run by the National Organic Training Skillnet (NOTS).
    https://nots.ie/our-courses/


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Hey guys,

    anyone got a good site for ordering tomato seed. Was late last year and ended up with too many stalks and leaves and no enough tomatoes. Happy to listen to suggestions for variety, I have a decent sized greenhouse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Calvin001


    Only have a small long bed for planting, so usually plant some peas at the back, with cauliflower and broccoli (6-8 plants) and then maybe some beetroot. Will have strawberries, hopefully the rasberrys and bluberries come back also.

    This year, thinking of putting in some herbs, and less brassica (suffer from snails/slugs)

    Need to get the garden more "table friendly", maybe even need to get good fertilizer into it (and pest killer!!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Emmmm ... how did it get to be the middle of December so fast? :eek:

    All of my "best laid plans" in respect of next year's planting seem to have come to a juddering halt. I know what I want to grow and (for the most part) have all the seed in stock ... but have found it impossible to make progress with reorganising my beds, not least because there's too much stuff growing where I want to dig up ... :(

    Really need to get my head back in this particular game within the next ten days.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    anyone got a good site for ordering tomato seed. Was late last year and ended up with too many stalks and leaves and no enough tomatoes. Happy to listen to suggestions for variety, I have a decent sized greenhouse.

    This might be an obvious question, but were you pinching out the side shoots last year? I think most varieties of vine tomatoes will put out side shoots and these take up the growth rather than the plant forming decent amounts of fruit if they aren't removed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Calvin001 wrote: »
    Only have a small long bed for planting, so usually plant some peas at the back, with cauliflower and broccoli (6-8 plants) and then maybe some beetroot. Will have strawberries, hopefully the rasberrys and bluberries come back also.

    This year, thinking of putting in some herbs, and less brassica (suffer from snails/slugs)

    Need to get the garden more "table friendly", maybe even need to get good fertilizer into it (and pest killer!!)

    Here's a natural remedy for slugs. It's a nematode that preys on the slugs.
    https://www.nematodesdirect.co.uk/6-nemaslug#:~:text=Nemaslug%20is%20a%20unique%20product,%2C%20pets%2C%20birds%20and%20wildlife

    One of the great benefits of DIY gardening is, the option of minimising the use of pesticides and chemical fertiliser.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    hirondelle wrote: »
    This might be an obvious question, but were you pinching out the side shoots last year? I think most varieties of vine tomatoes will put out side shoots and these take up the growth rather than the plant forming decent amounts of fruit if they aren't removed.

    I was, just a poor variety I grabbed from Woodies I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    lordgoat wrote: »
    I was, just a poor variety I grabbed from Woodies I think.

    Funny enough, I get mine from Woodies or Lidl every year (the ones in the 9cm pots) and have always found them to be good. I watch like a hawk until they are on sale (the Lidl ones are a euro cheaper and I get about 16 0f them). I'm mad keen to get them growing on and into the greenhouse asap as in Ireland I think tomatoes need every beam of sunshine going!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash



    Really need to get my head back in this particular game within the next ten days.

    I haven't even been out in my back garden in the past couple of weeks. My compost heap could do with a turn. I think I need to get to the other side of Christmas for the energy to start flowing again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    think I need to get to the other side of Christmas for the energy to start flowing again.

    My problem is that a fortnight of ungardenable weather diverted my energy into other things that weren't on the To Do list! And now that they're started, they have to be finished before Christmas, even if the weather's improved. :pac:

    Getting there though. Have been looking into the use of underbed storage boxes as portable propagatory type things. Jan-Feb-Mar are the months that best suit me for working ("proper" work, as my mother calls it - the type you get paid for :D ) which involves being away from home at the very time I need to be sowing and supervising my solanaceous crops. I think I can get six of them into the "boot" of my camper where they'll be lovely and warm for germination, and then easy to shift around once they need light for growth.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    hirondelle wrote: »
    Funny enough, I get mine from Woodies or Lidl every year (the ones in the 9cm pots) and have always found them to be good. I watch like a hawk until they are on sale (the Lidl ones are a euro cheaper and I get about 16 0f them). I'm mad keen to get them growing on and into the greenhouse asap as in Ireland I think tomatoes need every beam of sunshine going!

    Normally I am exactly the same, this year though I want to pick a couple of bush varieties and maximise the greenhouse rather than fill it with a load of plants.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Normally I am exactly the same, this year though I want to pick a couple of bush varieties and maximise the greenhouse rather than fill it with a load of plants.

    Funny enough I got two bush plants this year from Woodies to try them- I have to say I was very unimpressed. The fruiting was much slower and they got to that hard pale green stage and just stopped- whereas my Gardeners Delight, Ailsa Craigs etc. were proper. My experiment the previous year was getting yellow varieties and I won't be repeating that one either!


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭scilover


    Good infoo, thanks mate


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭scilover


    damn this is useful mate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Harvested my first oca and mashua yesterday in time for Christmas Dinner :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Have heard rumors that seeds are becoming hard to get. Usually I wait until after the new year to order but will be ordering soon, and then wait....


  • Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    teroknor83 wrote: »
    I have never grown veg before but I'm keen to set some into next year. I live in a town so would probably be restricted to small raised beds or containers. Any recommendations for a first time grower? I have already been recommended to try growing garlic.

    Are there any allotments near you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    teroknor83 wrote: »
    I have never grown veg before but I'm keen to set some into next year. I live in a town so would probably be restricted to small raised beds or containers. Any recommendations for a first time grower? I have already been recommended to try growing garlic.

    Garlic you put out in fall and harvest the next year in most cases. I'd start with simpler faster things like lettuce and peas, if you like them. If you have a bit of room, squash and beetroot. If you have use for them, most common cooking herbs are very easy, in fact the hard part is keeping them from taking over.

    Tomatoes want sun and warm and moisture, so if that's appropriate to your area they grow fine in containers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Have heard rumors that seeds are becoming hard to get. Usually I wait until after the new year to order but will be ordering soon, and then wait....

    Ive been saying it here for months.
    I've all mine ordered months ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    Bought some Money Maker tomato seeds today in Woodies. Can I start putting them in pots on the window sill soon?

    A packet cost €2.99, can you get them cheaper elsewhere?


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭gigglybits


    Wild Boar Farm in America have a great selection. I think if you don't order more than 5 you do not incur customs charges - I didn't anyway. Tomato Eden have a super selection too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Seedaholics are brilliant. In Ireland, super fast service and a great selection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Seedaholics are brilliant. In Ireland, super fast service and a great selection.

    I was about to post this! My seeds from them last year did so well. and I am very very soon to order from them again. Packets are more generous numerically than other places so they work out cheaper.

    Once Christmas is over the gardening itch sets in.. ;)

    I love buying local! And makes sense. Especially this year. Our own people need our support


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Anyone who hasn't bought yet should do so soon or face another spring with no seeds being available


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Bill Hook


    Bought some Money Maker tomato seeds today in Woodies. Can I start putting them in pots on the window sill soon?

    A packet cost €2.99, can you get them cheaper elsewhere?


    I got a variety called Polen from Irish Seed Savers last year (around 2.97 euro I think) and they grew well outdoor in big pots against the gable end as well as in my rubbish Lidl greenhouse.

    I started mine indoors in a propagator at the end of February last year and was worn out carting them in and out in May trying to avoid the late frosts. Hopefully I will have my polytunnel in time to house them this year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Bill Hook


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Seedaholics are brilliant. In Ireland, super fast service and a great selection.


    Another vote for Seedaholics!

    I have been trying to use all Irish grown seed for my vegetables so have bought mainly from Irish Seed Savers and Brown Envelope Seeds in Cork this year. Anything I can't get from them I get from Seedaholics or Fruit Hill Farm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Bill Hook


    Harvested my first oca and mashua yesterday in time for Christmas Dinner :)

    How did the oca and mashua turn out?

    Haven't touched my mashua yet but harvested some yacon here last week and they were worse than Jerusalem artichokes on the digestive front!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Brown envelope are very good too and are usually my go to supplier. FD as so little was available last year I did plant seeds from Lidl. It was hit or miss, courgettes were fine, peas and beans were fails. Brown envelopes "Irish Green" peas were a big success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Graces7 wrote: »
    I was about to post this! My seeds from them last year did so well. and I am very very soon to order from them again. Packets are more generous numerically than other places so they work out cheaper.

    Once Christmas is over the gardening itch sets in.. ;)

    I love buying local! And makes sense. Especially this year. Our own people need our support

    List half done. ie I have entered what I would like, Next I will go back and halve the list! Works well!

    Some of the historic and medicinal plants are so lovely.

    NB I don't have much viable space.

    Had to stop when I got to sunflowers and sweet peas as the sheer choice.. Glorious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Donalde


    Sadly, my experience of Seedaholic has not been so good. Almost total failure of germination of lettuce and onion (Red Baron). I had successful sowings of other varieties at the same time to compare, so I suspect old seed - no dates of any sort on the packets!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Bill Hook wrote: »
    How did the oca and mashua turn out?

    Haven't touched my mashua yet but harvested some yacon here last week and they were worse than Jerusalem artichokes on the digestive front!

    Turned out really well.
    The JA needs to be left in daylight for 2-3weeks before eating.

    Have yacon for next year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Donalde wrote: »
    Sadly, my experience of Seedaholic has not been so good. Almost total failure of germination of lettuce and onion (Red Baron). I had successful sowings of other varieties at the same time to compare, so I suspect old seed - no dates of any sort on the packets!

    It happened with me with bulbs from Future Forests. As they were using stock from a firm no longer in business... even bulbs have a limited life,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Just got the last of my seeds from seed savers in the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    I ordered seeds of a few basic veg like carrots parsnips and salads the other day. I need to get onion sets and possibly seed potatoes. I don't want to get too much as I currently don't have any veg beds :/

    We moved house earlier this year, the previous owners had a small greenhouse which they left but no veg beds, so my early 2021 job is to get that built.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭The Master.


    last year i bit off more than i could chew and it was a disaster.
    this year I want to just grow potatoes.

    I have 12 x square metre beds.

    how many kilos should I get for 1 square metre?

    where is a good place to get them? I feel I may have missed the boat going by some posts on here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    how many kilos should I get for 1 square metre?

    kilos per square metre, or potatoes per square metre? Depending on the variety, four seed potatoes with 3-5 eyes per spud would be about right. For 12m² that'd work out at around 2kg.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭gigglybits


    Turned out really well.
    The JA needs to be left in daylight for 2-3weeks before eating.

    Have yacon for next year

    Interesting, so does leaving them in daylight for 2-3 weeks reduce the wind factor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    Onion sets and seed potatoes, any recommendations of where to get them online?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    gigglybits wrote: »
    Interesting, so does leaving them in daylight for 2-3 weeks reduce the wind factor?

    Converts the inulin to starch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,812 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    scarepanda wrote: »
    Onion sets and seed potatoes, any recommendations of where to get them online?

    Fruithill Farm has quite a few on their site. Have been happy with their garlic in the past.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Converts the inulin to starch


    I have read a good amount about inulin and Jerusalem artichoke and never found a reference to sunlight having the ability to change inulin to starch and read plants that use inulin generally do not form normal starch. Do you have a link to where this information was published?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    macraignil wrote: »
    I have read a good amount about inulin and Jerusalem artichoke and never found a reference to sunlight having the ability to change inulin to starch and read plants that use inulin generally do not form normal starch. Do you have a link to where this information was published?

    Sorry no link. I was told about it and didn't have any issue with them.

    Dug up a wheelbarrow of mashua and oca today.

    Set aside 50 and 70 respectively for planting this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Started germinating chillies today, I didn't do this till March last year and I found it way too late, but I still got plenty of fruit, actually still have some on plants even now.
    Today I got beetroot, parsnips, and more chillies. Am going to put a raised bed together in the next few days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The quickcrop videos on youtube are very good, filmed just under Benbulben in Sligo. They are worth it alone for Klaus's amazing accent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    Turned my compost heap yesterday. Looking good. I will work on my raised beds at the end of the month. Trimmed some hedges.....beginning to enjoy it again.


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