US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

relax carry on · 04-12-2020 09:41PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

When you and others on the left/quote]

Why is it that Trump defenders declare anyone who doesn't agree with their musings is on the "left"? "Left" by Irish standards? American? Left of Republicans? Left of Trump? Left of whatever ideas the particular poster holds dear? Its truly baffling.

I think Trump is terrible human being, a 3rd rate conman, a failure as businessman and POTUS. Am I now left because I believe the above?

martingriff · 04-12-2020 10:05PM

one armed dwarf wrote: »

I wonder what will happen with some of these QAnon types when Biden gets inaugurated, I'm expecting that they will argue that Trump is secretly a shadow president dictating to Biden while he works on exposing a Epstein collusion ring or something

Or will they begin the sudden and painful but badly needed adjustment to reality

I was watching a stream from a lawyer a few days ago who was fairly balanced and was saying it has been decided was getting it in the neck from his viewers. The 2 comments I loved was 1. The constitution says you have to have a presidents but it doesn't say how many. His answer was it says a president which means one.

2. Trump should sack all those democratic lawyers and hire republicans. His answer you need to see how the law works

MisterAnarchy · 04-12-2020 10:08PM

Why is it that Trump defenders declare anyone who doesn't agree with their musings is on the "left"?

Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??

pixelburp · 04-12-2020 10:20PM

What even IS the criticism here? Biden seems to have picked well qualified people, but because they betray a likely tactic of inclusion this is worth criticism ... ... because? Beyond fatuous snark about PC this n that I don't see the angle. I wouldn't mind if they were a bunch of Sarah Palins but by all accounts they seem to have good CVs and prior relevent experience. It's the boring work of assembling a competent government; truly discussion is starved for outrage if a lopsided number of vaginas in a lineup if civil servants is somehow worthy of contempt.

prawnsambo · 04-12-2020 11:01PM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??

They usually declare themselves. Generally up front, but often with fact free posts.

looksee · 05-12-2020 12:18AM

There may well be reason to criticise Biden in the future, when, and if, he has had chance to do something and failed. However he is, for the moment a breath of sanity, honesty and integrity, and even if this proves to be relative, it is so welcome at the moment that there is no point or need to criticise him.

Windmill100000 · 05-12-2020 08:25AM

looksee wrote: »

There may well be reason to criticise Biden in the future, when, and if, he has had chance to do something and failed. However he is, for the moment a breath of sanity, honesty and integrity, and even if this proves to be relative, it is so welcome at the moment that there is no point or need to criticise him.

Amen. And you know, when he does well, Trump supporters will not acknowledge it. I'm sure he can live with that. I personally am delighted for Amerca that they have an intelligent leader at the helm.

Midlife · 05-12-2020 08:33AM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Why is it that anyone on this thread who criticises Biden is declared a Trumpster or a Trump fan ??

I'm fairness, you're actively giving out about CNN, those on the left, BLM, Biden.

You can understand why people would assume you're a Trump fan.

Maybe you can show us all the posts where you gave about his administration, those on the right, fox news and his pretty much all-white appointments.

eire4 · 07-12-2020 01:47AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Trump has set the bar so low that a roomful of monkeys typing randomly on typewriters acting as hilarious random number generator connected to a yes/no light for any executive/presidential decision would do a better job of running the US.

Not only is Trump a terrible president he was willfully so. Sort of how premeditated murder is a worse offence than manslaughter

Funny post gave me a good laugh but sadly so very true as well. There was a time when I used to think of the US as a country to look up to and admire. Now I just shake my head and think what a disaster and that is being generous.

Igotadose · 07-12-2020 11:00AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

One thing missed in all the noise is that Puerto Rico voted for statehood with 53% vote

So we now could endup with 52 states (+DC as well)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/06/washington_must_grant_puerto_rico_statehood_finally_144793.html

This is a real big deal, would've been top news in a normal election.

Now, the gaming of the process begins; Congress already approved DC.

That Georgia election has become hypercritical. F*ck the voters of Maine who didn't boot Susan Collins.

Francie Barrett · 07-12-2020 02:41PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

One thing missed in all the noise is that Puerto Rico voted for statehood with 53% vote

So we now could endup with 52 states (+DC as well)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/06/washington_must_grant_puerto_rico_statehood_finally_144793.html

That vote was a non-binding plebiscite. There is no obligation for the United States to accept it.

prawnsambo · 07-12-2020 02:46PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

That vote was a non-binding plebiscite. There is no obligation for the United States to accept it.

It definitely should happen for Puerto Rico if only to give them some status within the USA. Very much treated as a second-class citizen as are the PRs themselves. Not sure of the process, is it like the one for Constitutional amendments?

Quin_Dub · 07-12-2020 02:56PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

It definitely should happen for Puerto Rico if only to give them some status within the USA. Very much treated as a second-class citizen as are the PRs themselves. Not sure of the process, is it like the one for Constitutional amendments?

As far as I can see , it's just an act of congress - So a Vote passed in each House and it's done.

MJohnston · 07-12-2020 03:18PM

The Republicans actually had support for Puerto Rico statehood in their 2016 platform (this part of which they didn't modify for 2020). There are probably enough Republican votes in the Senate for it to happen. The problem is, as ever, Mitch McConnell, who won't bring it to a vote.

dogbert27 · 07-12-2020 03:24PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

That vote was a non-binding plebiscite. There is no obligation for the United States to accept it.

You mean like when the UK government didn't have to act on the Brexit Referendum!

07-12-2020 04:34PM

Once they're part of the states I wouldn't expect Puerto Rico to be completely Blue. Would have 5 or 6 seats in congress, could well have 2 of them be GOP. Senate might be both Blue at the the start.
GOP have little interest in allowing DC in though.

Brussels Sprout · 08-12-2020 02:58PM

49/50 states have now certified their results. Missouri is the final one. I cannot think why - it wasn't particularly close. Georgia managed 2 recounts in the same time.

MJohnston · 08-12-2020 03:22PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

49/50 states have now certified their results. Missouri is the final one. I cannot think why - it wasn't particularly close. Georgia managed 2 recounts in the same time.

In general, the less close a state is, the slower it counted. They put less resources into counting because there is less uncertainty about the outcome.

It's why most of the 'safe' red or blue states were called essentially as soon as voting closed, regardless of whether counting had begun or not.

dogbert27 · 08-12-2020 11:45PM

Supreme court rejects Republican demands to overturn Pennsylvania

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032445/Supreme-Court-REJECTS-Republican-demand-overturn-Joe-Bidens-victory-Pennsylvania.html

I wonder if Ken Paxton is fishing for a pardon!!

dogbert27 · 08-12-2020 11:46PM

Supreme court rejects Republican demands to overturn Pennsylvania

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032445/Supreme-Court-REJECTS-Republican-demand-overturn-Joe-Bidens-victory-Pennsylvania.html

I wonder if Ken Paxton is fishing for a pardon!!

BonnieSituation · 09-12-2020 01:53AM

It just never ends:

The Irish Times wrote:

The state of Texas, aiming to help US president Donald Trump upend the results of the election, said on Tuesday it has sued Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin at the supreme court, calling changes those states made to election procedures amid the coronavirus pandemic unlawful.

The long-shot lawsuit, announced by the Republican attorney general of Texas Ken Paxton, was being filed directly with the supreme court rather than with a lower court, as is permitted for certain litigation between states. The supreme court has a 6-3 conservative majority including three justices appointed by Mr Trump.

The legal action represents the latest effort intended to reverse the Republican president’s loss to Democratic president-elect Joe Biden in the November 3rd election. Those efforts have so far failed and experts said the Texas suit is also unlikely to succeed.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/texas-asks-us-supreme-court-to-help-trump-upend-election-1.4431137

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The futility of all of this just beggars belief.

When does it end?

MJohnston · 09-12-2020 10:47AM

Well yesterday was the "Safe Harbor Deadline", which is a bit of a legal deadline in terms of challenging the results in state courts, although pending lawsuits can continue.

Monday December 14th is when the Electoral College will vote. There shouldn't be any hiccups here because all the states have certified, and the states Biden won will send Democrat electors.

January 6th is when Congress counts the electoral votes, more of a ceremonial process than anything. Congresspeople can challenge the count, but both the House and Senate would have to vote to uphold any challenge, and that won't happen.

Igotadose · 09-12-2020 10:51AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It just never ends:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/texas-asks-us-supreme-court-to-help-trump-upend-election-1.4431137

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The futility of all of this just beggars belief.

When does it end?

With the recent USSC ruling the message is clear - stop wasting the court's time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics/trump-election-fraud-claims-supreme-court-rebuke/index.html

Great quote from that article: "The only questions now are how many more times President Donald Trump wants to lose the election to President-elect Joe Biden "

Quin_Dub · 09-12-2020 11:47AM

Igotadose wrote: »

With the recent USSC ruling the message is clear - stop wasting the court's time.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics/trump-election-fraud-claims-supreme-court-rebuke/index.html

Great quote from that article: "The only questions now are how many more times President Donald Trump wants to lose the election to President-elect Joe Biden "

Hopefully they'll bounce the rubbish from Texas/Paxton very shortly as well.

Carfacemandog · 09-12-2020 01:19PM

So Texas is suing multi other states in an effort to subvert their democratic systems.

And here I was thinking "states rights" was just a lie Republicans use to try and get away with racist and disciminatory practices...

Quin_Dub · 09-12-2020 02:23PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

So Texas is suing multi other states in an effort to subvert their democratic systems.

And here I was thinking "states rights" was just a lie Republicans use to try and get away with racist and disciminatory practices...

Oddly though , Texas are suing the swing states for doing things that they did in Texas - Like extended the dates for mail-in voting , expanding early voting dates etc.

They aren't suing themselves though.. Is that because Trump won in Texas??

Carfacemandog · 09-12-2020 02:53PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Oddly though , Texas are suing the swing states for doing things that they did in Texas - Like extended the dates for mail-in voting , expanding early voting dates etc.
They aren't suing themselves though.. Is that because Trump won in Texas??

They are not suing any states that Trump won.

We're really at a tipping point as to whether the GOP should be considered a criminal enterprise at this point, particularly after the last month. And at this stage, any claims of ignorance their supporters could previously try to hide behind are completely and utterly gone. They know what they are, and they support it anyway, while happily lying about the reasons why daily - "states rights" is today's one. There will be another tomorrow.

serfboard · 09-12-2020 03:52PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

They are not suing any states that Trump won.

There was a funny piece on one of Seth Myers' "Closer Look" segments lately where they juxtaposed Trump supporters demonstratiing outside count centres in two states - in the state where Trump was ahead they were chanting "Stop the count", and in the state where he was behind they were chanting "Count the votes". Myers reckoned that both sets of Republicans should be put into a room together where they could roar at each other.

Manic Moran · 09-12-2020 04:27PM

I must admit to being displeased that my tax dollars are going on that Texas thing.

Puerto Rican politics are a strange bag. If anything, they're a "swing" state. For example, their current representative in congress caucuses with Republicans, her predecessor hung out with the Democrats. Their current governor swapped from being Democrat to Republican last year (PR politicians tend to be members of two parties, the internal party based on statehood, and the external party for relations with the rest of the US, which is basically a "closest alignment"). The question of statehood dominates the larger PR political landscape, and feelings are very strong. I honestly would not expect an application to the Union from PR unless the margin of victory in favour of statehood, without boycotts or other silliness like recent votes had, is akin to 60-65%.

Republicans may be dead set against statehood for DC for both practical (read: Senate) and historical reasons, but I don't see them denying PR should the latter actually submit a formal request. But until sentiment in PR moves much more towards statehood, I don't see it happening.

duploelabs · 09-12-2020 04:47PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I must admit to being displeased that my tax dollars are going on that Texas thing.

Puerto Rican politics are a strange bag. If anything, they're a "swing" state. For example, their current representative in congress caucuses with Republicans, her predecessor hung out with the Democrats. Their current governor swapped from being Democrat to Republican last year (PR politicians tend to be members of two parties, the internal party based on statehood, and the external party for relations with the rest of the US, which is basically a "closest alignment"). The question of statehood dominates the larger PR political landscape, and feelings are very strong. I honestly would not expect an application to the Union from PR unless the margin of victory in favour of statehood, without boycotts or other silliness like recent votes had, is akin to 60-65%.

Republicans may be dead set against statehood for DC for both practical (read: Senate) and historical reasons, but I don't see them denying PR should the latter actually submit a formal request. But until sentiment in PR moves much more towards statehood, I don't see it happening.

Bad enough to change your vote?

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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