Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

Eivor · 08-12-2020 08:58PM

Sconsey wrote: »

That's a bad reason, it's rewarding stupidity and penalizing people that have done what the government/HSE have asked them to do.

In what way does it relate to stupidity? The majority of healthy members of the public had no option but to continue working and meeting people throughout the pandemic. Someone had to keep the country going. Not everyone has the ability to stay indoors indefinitely like the very high risk probably do for a lot of the time anyway.

Turtwig · 08-12-2020 08:58PM

crazy 88 wrote: »

Or any vaccine? A person with a severely compromised immune system I would imagine is better risking a reaction than risking getting a virus.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/adults/rec-vac/health-conditions/weakened-immune.html

Depends on the vaccine.
Some vaccinations contain a 'live' virus and so would be very risky for someone with compromised immunity. In effect, you would be giving them the viral infection. People on immunosuppressants therapies are advised to get vaccinated but they are also advised to talk to their doctor before receiving any vaccination.
There are usually different variants of a vaccine available for this reason.

iamwhoiam · 08-12-2020 09:00PM

crazy 88 wrote: »

And the priorities have people with underlying conditions all at number 7:
7 People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions

Where/how have they split it out to people with severe underlying conditions and those with mild conditions like I suggested should be done?

That list of conditions below applies to number 7 as far as I can understand it

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions* * which put them at high risk of severe disease

( The doube ** leads you to this list )

* *Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

Goldengirl · 08-12-2020 09:04PM

BurgundyRose wrote: »

If the Pfizer vaccine is approved how will vaccinations be worked? Will there be vaccine clinics and will they be at confident locations like at hospitals for an example? Or will there be vaccine vans or trucks travelling around Ireland. One of my parents remembers vaccines for TB or something else in the 50s and remembers being lined up at the sode of the road and vaccine vans.

It would be great of trucks could come to confident locations around Ireland. Like the blood banks.

I don't see trucks with vaccines unless it's a refrigerated lorry

Seriously though , it will be vaccine clinics , or repurposed testing centres in set locations , because the storage of the Pfizer vaccine would be important , and people will need to be able to assessed safely and monitored for a short period after the vaccine.
I would say no health professional would be happy to vaccinate anyone at the side of the road or at a drive thru location in case of the patient had reaction .

Goldengirl · 08-12-2020 09:09PM

Eivor wrote: »

In what way does it relate to stupidity? The majority of healthy members of the public had no option but to continue working and meeting people throughout the pandemic. Someone had to keep the country going. Not everyone has the ability to stay indoors indefinitely like the very high risk probably do for a lot of the time anyway.

If you read the list of high risk individuals , you will see that those people are those who are generally out and about working like anyone else , not invalided at home !
And that is not that I agree with the op you were replying to either, btw .

Sconsey · 08-12-2020 09:14PM

Eivor wrote: »

In what way does it relate to stupidity? The majority of healthy members of the public had no option but to continue working and meeting people throughout the pandemic. Someone had to keep the country going. Not everyone has the ability to stay indoors indefinitely like the very high risk probably do for a lot of the time anyway.

The theory I was responding to was that healthy over 65's are a priority because they are less likely to protect themselves appropriately, so we need to give them the vaccine because they are more likely to get infected than the high-risk groups.

So it is saying, those people are not following the guidance we better help them, the ones that are at risk but trying to protect themselves can just wait. The stupid ones get the vaccine, the cautious ones have to wait.

Now i don't know if this theory is the reason for the the healthy over 65's being prioritized over the at-risk, but it if it is then I stick by my earlier statement.

crazy 88 · 08-12-2020 09:15PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

That list of conditions below applies to number 7 as far as I can understand it

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions* * which put them at high risk of severe disease

( The doube ** leads you to this list )

* *Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

So that seems to be cover severe conditions. They haven't covered medium to low risk conditions anywhere else form what I can see. They should have split them out like the UK putting the very high risk groups close to top and the high risk groups somewhere around the middle. They have already done their homework in categorising both of these groups:
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/people-at-higher-risk.html#high-risk

Turtwig · 08-12-2020 09:29PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Agreed re some .
But there are also an awful lot of people 50 to 64 that have hypertension/ cardiac disease/ diabetes t1 and 2 / severe pulmonary disease and these people are very high risk of severe illness and there have been high numbers in this age group hospitalised and in ICU .
A lot in this age group would have families to care and provide for and may not be able to cocoon.

Yeah I agree with this.

08-12-2020 09:34PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I appreciate the point but there are people who for economic reasons (theirs and ultimately ours) need to travel and indeed have been travelling through this period. If someone is in one of the lower priority groups yet wants to be vaccinated for their own and others safety then why not - noting that there is a separate stream of vaccines through the public procurement means. I am not talking about displacement.

The UK government is determined to stop any vaccines being made available privately and I would imagine Ireland will follow suit. You’d have to apply to your GP for preferential treatment. I’d be very reluctant to take any vaccine available at a private clinic, as it will have been sourced outside of the official supply chain. And I’ve read and heard on BBC and Times radio that organised crime are trying to get their hands all over this (as they would anything of value with limited supply and high demand - Interpol described the vaccine as ‘liquid gold’). A unit has been set up at the Met purely to try to protect the supply chain from criminal gangs

bb1234567 · 08-12-2020 09:41PM

Only get's worse for Rudi..was experiencing COVID symptoms for days before attending court without a mask.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1336407962294816772

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 09:42PM

Turtwig wrote:

As a side note too: Many of the over 65s+ by the very nature of their age will have some comorbidities.

If they have underlying conditions their position on the list wouldn't change, it's only the perfectly healthy ones they would drop down the list.

spookwoman · 08-12-2020 09:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The elderly relatives will be vaccinated first, sure they're high on the priority list.

Once they're vaccinated first that's the main thing. The people they live with fit into whatever grouping is there.

Doesn't seem to be any joined up thinking. You would think carers or those living with elderly and vulnerable would be on the list as they are the ones that would be going out doing shopping etc and more at risk of catching it.
If a carer gets sick who is going to step in if they are the only one.

Happydays2020 · 08-12-2020 09:51PM

Trying to figure this out.

Was it NPHET or someone else who developed the advice to Government?

https://twitter.com/cmoireland/status/1336405666097934338?s=21

BurgundyRose · 08-12-2020 09:52PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be any joined up thinking. You would think carers or those living with elderly and vulnerable would be on the list as they are the ones that would be going out doing shopping etc and more at risk of catching it.
If a carer gets sick who is going to step in if they are the only one.

We will have to continue to live with social distancing, keeping contacts low, wearing of masks, avoiding crowds and not allowing crowded situations to occur eg in pubs and other large gatherings well into next year, 2021, until more of the population gets vaccinated.

08-12-2020 09:58PM

BurgundyRose wrote: »

We will have to continue to live with social distancing, keeping contacts low, wearing of masks, avoiding crowds and not allowing crowded situations to occur eg in pubs and other large gatherings well into next year, 2021, until more of the population gets vaccinated.

That’s effectively a description of level 2. Basically normality except for masks in shops and some other places, limits on visitors in your home, and pubs and bars being managed (ie. seating only).

Basically unless you're into nightclubs, house parties and crowded pubs, it’s normality. So a large portion of the population would live quite happily with that

Happydays2020 · 08-12-2020 10:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The UK government is determined to stop any vaccines being made available privately and I would imagine Ireland will follow suit. You’d have to apply to your GP for preferential treatment. I’d be very reluctant to take any vaccine available at a private clinic, as it will have been sourced outside of the official supply chain. And I’ve read and heard on BBC and Times radio that organised crime are trying to get their hands all over this (as they would anything of value with limited supply and high demand - Interpol described the vaccine as ‘liquid gold’). A unit has been set up at the Met purely to try to protect the supply chain from criminal gangs

I can agree with that if we get a national health service.

normanoffside · 08-12-2020 10:03PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Trying to figure this out.

Was it NPHET or someone else who developed the advice to Government?

https://twitter.com/cmoireland/status/1336405666097934338?s=21

Just click the link he puts in his tweet and the answer is there in the first paragraph:

The Strategy was developed by the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) and Department of Health, endorsed by the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET), and approved by Government on 8 December 2020.

BurgundyRose · 08-12-2020 10:04PM

How long will it take to vaccinate the groups of people outlined today?

When can the general population outside of these groups be allowed the vaccine? Will it be February or March?

Happydays2020 · 08-12-2020 10:08PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Just click the link he puts in his tweet and the answer is there in the first paragraph:

The Strategy was developed by the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) and Department of Health, endorsed by the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET), and approved by Government on 8 December 2020.

I did click. They contradict.

normanoffside · 08-12-2020 10:09PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I did click. They contradict.

Exactly.

Goldengirl · 08-12-2020 10:17PM

BurgundyRose wrote: »

How long will it take to vaccinate the groups of people outlined today?

When can the general population outside of these groups be allowed the vaccine? Will it be February or March?

" No timeline yet " according to Ferghal Bowers " until the report from the Vaccination Task Force comes through "

In reality it will depend on how much and how fast the vaccines that are approved are allocated from EU .
It might be a lot quicker if more than one vaccine approved and all the high risk groups may be vaccinated more or less as fast as the taskforce can get it together .

Goldengirl · 08-12-2020 10:21PM

Lovely to see that lady and all those nurses getting their vaccines today in the North !

While it would of course have been better if it was us , it was a sight worth celebrating in the most godawful year

iamwhoiam · 08-12-2020 10:30PM

Ireland in Lockdown on now . A tough watch and bringing it all back . The shock , the stunned silence at the school as the doors closed, the fear and anxiety and awful fear of them loosing control on the health system .
Thankfully we now see light at the end of that tunnel

Cork2021 · 08-12-2020 10:31PM

Just putting it out there. I think I should be put on top of the vaccine list as I’m a Man Utd fan and we’re probably the most vulnerable people around!

Zebra3 · 08-12-2020 10:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That’s effectively a description of level 2. Basically normality except for masks in shops and some other places, limits on visitors in your home, and pubs and bars being managed (ie. seating only).

Basically unless you're into nightclubs, house parties and crowded pubs, it’s normality. So a large portion of the population would live quite happily with that

Huge number of people would want sporting events getting back to close to normality.

spookwoman · 08-12-2020 10:39PM

HSE OPerations report out

210 Hospitalised -6
31 ICU +3
0 Deaths
17 Ventilated -1

Strumms · 08-12-2020 10:43PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't see trucks with vaccines unless it's a refrigerated lorry

Seriously though , it will be vaccine clinics , or repurposed testing centres in set locations , because the storage of the Pfizer vaccine would be important , and people will need to be able to assessed safely and monitored for a short period after the vaccine.
I would say no health professional would be happy to vaccinate anyone at the side of the road or at a drive thru location in case of the patient had reaction .

Storage would be important but the technology exists now to keep, store and transport vaccines in temperature controlled environments.... you could have a non refrigerated temp controlled truck / vehicle with a container on board that can keep vaccines at a regulated cold temperature.

There is so much pharma business done in Ireland now that it’s a demand that is already being catered for.

Jim_Hodge · 08-12-2020 10:49PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Huge number of people would want sporting events getting back to close to normality.

If the past 9 months has taught us anything it's that what people want is not a driver and every vested interest has it's own wants that are at variance with other interests.

Zebra3 · 08-12-2020 10:51PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

If the past 9 months has taught us anything it's that what people want is not a driver and every vested interest has it's own wants that are at variance with other interests.

As the vaccine is rolled out people will be expecting more of a normality.

The politicians know they have to face the electorate again one day.

They can't hide behind Hoolahan for ever.

BurgundyRose · 08-12-2020 10:52PM

I'm watching prime time and the man talking on the show says there needs to be a campaign so that there's an uptake of the vaccine. I'm not too sure if I heard correctly in what he said but did he say that Ryan tubridy can take the vaccine live on TV. I don't know if Ryan offered vaccine or if it was an example of what can be don't to encourage uptake.

Ryan already got the virus. Vaccine is going to be so valuable wouldn't that be a little bit of a waste of vaccine?

Can they raffle off a vaccine night for the late show? I would love to enter a vaccine competition and win a vaccine for the late late (and jump the queue too). I would absolutely go live on the late late and talk positively about getting the vaccine.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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