COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Micky 32 wrote: »

Good auld RTE :

“”Does the vaccine mean a return to normal life?””

“”Since there is no evidence that the immunisation prevents transmission of the virus - and no vaccine is 100% effective - scientists are calling for continued vigilance, including mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.””

"As with all vaccines, it may work really great in certain patient subsets, but not as well in others ... Does that mean you are free to hop on a plane or have 30 people over at your house? Probably not," said Dr Michelle Barron, senior medical director for infection prevention at Colorado's UC Health.“”

I’m done.....

I’m just sick of all this - what is the actual point of any vaccine then if we still have to wear masks and social distance?

Micky 32 wrote: »

Good auld RTE :

“”Does the vaccine mean a return to normal life?””

“”Since there is no evidence that the immunisation prevents transmission of the virus - and no vaccine is 100% effective - scientists are calling for continued vigilance, including mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.””

"As with all vaccines, it may work really great in certain patient subsets, but not as well in others ... Does that mean you are free to hop on a plane or have 30 people over at your house? Probably not," said Dr Michelle Barron, senior medical director for infection prevention at Colorado's UC Health.“”

I’m done.....

If there's wide take up of vaccine, people will lose the plot if they still have to wear masks and have to live under restrictions long term.

is_that_so wrote: »

You left out the last, almost hopeful line

But the first paragraph , because vaccines aren’t “ 100 %” we’d have to carry on with social distancing etc etc.

Micky 32 wrote: »

But the first paragraph , because vaccines aren’t “ 100 %” we’d have to carry on with social distancing etc etc.

Yep, but she's American and it's not like they've dealt very well with this so it's a warning of sorts! TBH I've come to realise that the opinions of some doctors need to be avoided completely as their views of life would have us all living in bubbles for the rest of our lives.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Good auld RTE :

“”Does the vaccine mean a return to normal life?””

“”Since there is no evidence that the immunisation prevents transmission of the virus - and no vaccine is 100% effective - scientists are calling for continued vigilance, including mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.””

"As with all vaccines, it may work really great in certain patient subsets, but not as well in others ... Does that mean you are free to hop on a plane or have 30 people over at your house? Probably not," said Dr Michelle Barron, senior medical director for infection prevention at Colorado's UC Health.“”

I’m done.....

I think quotes such as these have been addressed previously, and it was generally acknowledged that the restrictions being referred to by these experts will remain whilst the vaccines are being rolled out. Once herd immunity is reached, restrictions should be lifted and normality will resume. But that will take time.

There'll be more people ending up in mental institutions if they keep asking unanswerable questions and expecting to get a straight answer.
As the inimitable Donald Rumsfeld used to put it, when it comes to these vaccines;
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. Can't put it any plainer than that.

I've been critical of some of RTE's negative reporting in the past but we have to be realistic that unfortunately masks and social distancing are probably still going to be with us for a long time, maybe we'll past next summer.

I would hope going by our vaccine rollout plans that by the time the summer is here we could be down to level 1 or 2 type restrictions. I think many of us would be happy enough with that if it eventually leads to us getting rid of all restrictions at some point after that.

firemansam4 wrote: »

I've been critical of some of RTE's negative reporting in the past but we have to be realistic that unfortunately masks and social distancing are probably still going to be with us for a long time, maybe we'll past next summer.

I would hope going by our vaccine rollout plans that by the time the summer is here we could be down to level 1 or 2 type restrictions. I think many of us would be happy enough with that if it eventually leads to us getting rid of all restrictions at some point after that.

I'd say up until about next summer at the latest with the risk level really dropping off and by September, we'll be back to normal. W

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El Sueño wrote: »

Even if there's no sterilizing immunity from any of the vaccines, if the vulnerable are vaccinated they won't get sick

Therefore they won't end up in hospital and die

If there's nobody in hospital or dying from covid, why the feck would we need any restrictions?

If there had been hardly any deaths in March would there have been a lockdown? Not a fecking chance.

Because not every vulnerable person will be able to take the vaccine , young and old , immunocompromised, pregnant and breastfeeding women , younger children and teenagers who have not been cleared to have the vaccine yet .
Not to mention the percentage of people that the vaccine just doesn't work for .
Be quite a lot of people liable to contract Covid there if restrictions like social distancing , avoiding large gatherings and mask wearing , abandoned .
Good news is the more vaccines approved probably the quicker the roll out, and the more people who get vaccinated and the closer to herd immunity we get the less likely restrictions will be needed.
Its not a question of vaccinate the old and vulnerable and they will be fine so we can stop restrictions.
It needs buy in from greater than 70% first .

Goldengirl wrote: »

Because not every vulnerable person will be able to take the vaccine , young and old , immunocompromised, pregnant and breastfeeding women , younger children and teenagers who have not been cleared to have the vaccine yet .
Not to mention the percentage of people that the vaccine just doesn't work for .
Be quite a lot of people liable to contract Covid there if restrictions like social distancing , avoiding large gatherings and mask wearing , abandoned .
Good news is the more vaccines approved probably the quicker the roll out, and the more people who get vaccinated and the closer to herd immunity we get the less likely restrictions will be needed.
Its not a question of vaccinate the old and vulnerable and they will be fine so we can stop restrictions.
It needs buy in from greater than 70% first .

It will depend on hospitalisations/deaths and nothing else.

If a small proportion of vulnerable people can't get the vaccine the country won't be kept shut for their benefit if there are very few deaths and hospitalisations.

i think the descion on restrictions will end up being taken out of our hands by what happens in rest of europe and usa. Those countries wont mess around getting the vaccine out and opening up. We will simply have to follow suit. It will be glorious to see the anguish on McDonkey and King Tony when they know there game is up and that clock is ticking fast they have about 6-8 weeks of limelight left so they better get their book ready to flog. Lets think about it, Masks, yes advisory i would think. Social Distancing will be gone, concerts and gigs pencilled in from May in likes of 02, if gigs and concerts and world tours re going ahead throughout europe they will go ahead here too. Euro 2021 matches in Dublin mid June , everything will be openened up for those and perhaps full capacity at stadia. Fans back at matches and horse reacing in england last week, every few weeks they will increase now thier is a vaccine. Boris and the Brits are pretty much off the leash now, cant see restrictions of much use throughout the Uk from Feb 1 st.

El Sueño wrote: »

It will depend on hospitalisations/deaths and nothing else.

If a small proportion of vulnerable people can't get the vaccine the country won't be kept shut for their benefit if there are very few deaths and hospitalisations.

Do you think that anyone is talking about the country " staying shut " ?
Restrictions will remain as per level 2 maybe until enough of the population have been immunised .
Then that'll be it , maybe yearly, maybe not , we don't know but it will be worth it to get rid of restrictions .
I know a lot of people will be anxious to ensure that those who are unlucky not to be able to take this vaccine , don't have to suffer too long , and won't want them to get infected at this stage .

BrianD3 wrote: »

Thanks, however family carers would rarely/never be referred to as HCWs.

Karina Butler was on Prime Time just there and was asked by Miriam about carers' concerns about not being on the list, i don't think Miriam used the term "family carers" but that would be implied. Butler responded by talking about healthcare workers and Miriam didn't press her on it.

My suspicion here is that family carers have either been forgotten about, are not valued or, most likely the state realises that there are so many of them (estimates are 500k) that it won't be feasible to have them on any priority list. Why are there so many - because the state has failed to provide services and support. Also the people making these types of decisions are all on healthy 6 figure salaries and if a relative of theirs needs care, they can likely afford to pay for a HCW and assume that everyone is in the same boat.

She also said that with this vaccine they don't know yet whether it prevents transmission of infection , which , unlike the Oxford vaccine , which is claiming efficacy in this regard , means that they are concentrating on those that will benefit from a vaccine that prevents serious infection, which would be aged themselves, and not their carers , unless they too are aged .

If another vaccine or indeed this one Pfizer, show data that says it prevents transmission , as well as serious disease, then that will change the rationale for prioritising the groups that get the vaccine first , because obviously it would be a game changer to be able to vaccinate carers and knock out transmission to vulnerable .

As it stands until they know what the particular vaccine can do it is just a rough estimate, I think to let everyone feel as if we haven't been left behind today , seeing as UK has started ahead of us .

It will be academic if we end up with a variety of vaccines in January approved and ready .
We might be in a better situation than UK if we can combine vaccines to provide the best cover , both against serious disease and transmission of infection.

Let's hope so .

Home carers treated like pure bums again I see. A guilty little pay off on the first week of June and then fook you for another year.