namloc1980 wrote: » Not sure I've ever heard of mixed vaccines. Odd approach.
Micky 32 wrote: » Good auld RTE : “”Does the vaccine mean a return to normal life?”” “”Since there is no evidence that the immunisation prevents transmission of the virus - and no vaccine is 100% effective - scientists are calling for continued vigilance, including mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing.”” "As with all vaccines, it may work really great in certain patient subsets, but not as well in others ... Does that mean you are free to hop on a plane or have 30 people over at your house? Probably not," said Dr Michelle Barron, senior medical director for infection prevention at Colorado's UC Health.“” I’m done.....
She said vaccination campaigns are unlikely to reach "a critical mass" until next spring or early summer.
is_that_so wrote: » You left out the last, almost hopeful line
titan18 wrote: » Did you wake up not living in Ireland today? Odds are we'll fcuk up somewhere
Micky 32 wrote: » But the first paragraph , because vaccines aren’t “ 100 %” we’d have to carry on with social distancing etc etc.
ElTel wrote: » The testee is taking their own sample and not wearing gloves whilst a HCW (presumably) observes! Isn't there a nasal sample taken as well? Did the testing program rely on a single test?
firemansam4 wrote: » I've been critical of some of RTE's negative reporting in the past but we have to be realistic that unfortunately masks and social distancing are probably still going to be with us for a long time, maybe we'll past next summer. I would hope going by our vaccine rollout plans that by the time the summer is here we could be down to level 1 or 2 type restrictions. I think many of us would be happy enough with that if it eventually leads to us getting rid of all restrictions at some point after that.
snotboogie wrote: » I'd agree but the article doesn't clearly spell that out. It instead insinuates that social distancing is going to be with us in the medium to long term in spite of a successful vaccine. RTE are horrendous for this vague negative reporting. I was listening to Tomas Ryan on The Stand podcast recently and he gives a very pessimistic outlook of November 2021 before we can do away with social distancing but he gives clear reasons why he thinks this and gives tangible short term predictions. In other words he makes an actual argument, which is something that can be engaged with. RTE seem obsessed with vague insinuations of long terms restrictions with extremely weak arguments that don't in any way explain their core rationale.
El Sueño wrote: » Even if there's no sterilizing immunity from any of the vaccines, if the vulnerable are vaccinated they won't get sick Therefore they won't end up in hospital and die If there's nobody in hospital or dying from covid, why the feck would we need any restrictions? If there had been hardly any deaths in March would there have been a lockdown? Not a fecking chance.
donegal_man wrote: » A year seems to be about the general timescale for anything like a return to normal among medical people. I think it'll take a while before people are comfortable going into any situation where they're too close together.
Goldengirl wrote: » Because not every vulnerable person will be able to take the vaccine , young and old , immunocompromised, pregnant and breastfeeding women , younger children and teenagers who have not been cleared to have the vaccine yet . Not to mention the percentage of people that the vaccine just doesn't work for . Be quite a lot of people liable to contract Covid there if restrictions like social distancing , avoiding large gatherings and mask wearing , abandoned . Good news is the more vaccines approved probably the quicker the roll out, and the more people who get vaccinated and the closer to herd immunity we get the less likely restrictions will be needed. Its not a question of vaccinate the old and vulnerable and they will be fine so we can stop restrictions. It needs buy in from greater than 70% first .
titan18 wrote: » I'd sort of assume you might be in the group of other HCWs in contact with patients. I'm assuming that group is the most logical fit and would also include likes of porters, maintenance staff in hospitals etc
The HorsesMouth wrote: » They also said vaccine was 18 months to 2 years away in March and anything else was fanciful.
El Sueño wrote: » It will depend on hospitalisations/deaths and nothing else. If a small proportion of vulnerable people can't get the vaccine the country won't be kept shut for their benefit if there are very few deaths and hospitalisations.
Goldengirl wrote: » Do you think that anyone is talking about the country " staying shut " ? Restrictions will remain as per level 2 maybe until enough of the population have been immunised . Then that'll be it , maybe yearly, maybe not , we don't know but it will be worth it to get rid of restrictions . I know a lot of people will be anxious to ensure that those who are unlucky not to be able to take this vaccine , don't have to suffer too long , and won't want them to get infected at this stage .
BrianD3 wrote: » Thanks, however family carers would rarely/never be referred to as HCWs. Karina Butler was on Prime Time just there and was asked by Miriam about carers' concerns about not being on the list, i don't think Miriam used the term "family carers" but that would be implied. Butler responded by talking about healthcare workers and Miriam didn't press her on it. My suspicion here is that family carers have either been forgotten about, are not valued or, most likely the state realises that there are so many of them (estimates are 500k) that it won't be feasible to have them on any priority list. Why are there so many - because the state has failed to provide services and support. Also the people making these types of decisions are all on healthy 6 figure salaries and if a relative of theirs needs care, they can likely afford to pay for a HCW and assume that everyone is in the same boat.
El Sueño wrote: » Ah ya I get what you're saying, I may have picked up your original post wrong slightly! My prediction is that next summer will be similar to the summer just gone but we'll be dropping levels towards the end of the summer rather than the opposite. And that's a conservative prediction if anything.
larchielads wrote: » Was watchin the news earlier and yer man was sayin that they dont konw if the Pfizer vaccine offers protection against infection or disease. And is it the same with the other vaccines??Surely to get disease u gotta be infected first? Am i missin somethin can someone explain it to me like im 10 yrs old.
