Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

KrustyUCC · 08-12-2020 05:44PM

74 in Dublin, 22 in Donegal, 15 in Kilkenny, 14 in Louth, 11 in Limerick and the remaining 79 cases are spread across 18 other counties.

BeefeaterHat · 08-12-2020 05:44PM

Sconsey wrote: »

My rough calculation puts the at-risk under 65's getting it in April (best case scenario really), probably about 2 months to get that cohort sorted. So I am guessing June / July before we go much lower than level 3 or 2.

The UK have said they believe they'll be at tier 1 by March. If we're clowning around with lockdown and restrictions in April then the government deserve every bit of flack they get.

marno21 · 08-12-2020 05:45PM

Sconsey wrote: »

My rough calculation puts the at-risk under 65's getting it in April (best case scenario really), probably about 2 months to get that cohort sorted. So I am guessing June / July before we go much lower than level 3 or 2.

I have tickets to 3 concerts in June - and I am reasonably confident of attending them. I’m happy to be proven wrong on this in future but one of them has been readvertised on radio in the past week or so so it would appear I am not alone with this confidence.

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 05:45PM

marno21 wrote: »

If all the vulnerable are vaccinated which either prevents infection or prevents severe Covid-19 there’s no need for restrictions whether there’s protection against transmission or not.

Unfortunately this plan has the medically vulnerable under 65 very far down the list. Children with underlying conditions are in the very last group to be vaccinated.

KrustyUCC · 08-12-2020 05:47PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1336364989976891392

big syke · 08-12-2020 05:47PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd love to know who came up with the list. I'm of the opinion that the first four categories should be frontline workers dealing with covid patients, then care homes then over 70's followed by people with underlying conditions.

Department of Health came up with the list with input from NPHET.

The rational is people with underlying conditions can, for the most part, keep themselves isolated. Staff of care facilities, front line workers and Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact cannot isolate.

marno21 · 08-12-2020 05:49PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Unfortunately this plan has the medically vulnerable under 65 very far down the list. Children with underlying conditions are in the very last group to be vaccinated.

In fairness they are number 7 on the list; and number 2, 4 and potentially 6 are not particularly large groups of people.

Always_Running · 08-12-2020 05:49PM

DenMan wrote: »

215 cases today and sadly 1 death. RIP

Things very stable at the moment.

Seven day average is 276 cases per day, 275 it was last Tuesday. Only 1 reported death the last 3 days.

210 COVID-19 patients are hospitalised.

JP Liz V1 · 08-12-2020 05:49PM

Zara King documentary about Covid on VM1 tonight

is_that_so · 08-12-2020 05:49PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Unfortunately this plan has the medically vulnerable under 65 very far down the list. Children with underlying conditions are in the very last group to be vaccinated.

Those U65s are category 7 and they will fly through the first 4-5 anyway. Children have always been seen to be at the lowest risk and if some of them are at a higher risk you'd expect that to be addressed.

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 05:50PM

big syke wrote: »

Department of Health came up with the list with input from NPHET.

The rational is people with underlying conditions can, for the most part, keep themselves isolated. Staff of care facilities, front line workers and Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact cannot isolate.

I'm struggling to understand why children with the most critical underlying conditions are in the last group to be vaccinated. Going to continue to be bleak times ahead for those families with continued lockdowns.

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 05:50PM

marno21 wrote: »

In fairness they are number 7 on the list; and number 2, 4 and potentially 6 are not particularly large groups of people.

Children with underlying conditions are in the last group.

Stheno · 08-12-2020 05:51PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I'm struggling to understand why children with the most critical underlying conditions are in the last group to be vaccinated. Going to contribute to be bleak times ahead for those families with continued lockdowns.

The vaccine hasn't been tested on children yet

marno21 · 08-12-2020 05:51PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I'm struggling to understand why children with the most critical underlying conditions are in the last group to be vaccinated. Going to contribute to be bleak times ahead for those families with continued lockdowns.

Limited testing of the vaccine on children is one reason; I’d imagine it’ll be on a case by case basis after that.

iamwhoiam · 08-12-2020 05:51PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I'm struggling to understand why children with the most critical underlying conditions are in the last group to be vaccinated. Going to contribute to be bleak times ahead for those families with continued lockdowns.

I am guessing that more research has to be done on under 15’s and pregnant women . Leaving them last gives it more time

big syke · 08-12-2020 05:52PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I'm struggling to understand why children with the most critical underlying conditions are in the last group to be vaccinated. Going to continue to be bleak times ahead for those families with continued lockdowns.

Its down to who the vaccine was initially tested on.

Kids and pregnant women were not involved.

This will change in the future.

Eivor · 08-12-2020 05:55PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Unfortunately this plan has the medically vulnerable under 65 very far down the list. Children with underlying conditions are in the very last group to be vaccinated.

Yes but they don’t make up the majority of hospitalisations or deaths. Once the people who make up the majority of hospitalisations and deaths are vaccinated (over 65’s with medical conditions) then we can return to mostly normal. Remember, restrictions were not put in place to make sure no one got infected. It was to flatten the curve. No reason the same wouldn’t be true of a vaccine.

statesaver · 08-12-2020 05:55PM

What are ICU and hospital numbers now ?

Plumbthedepths · 08-12-2020 05:56PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Zara King documentary about Covid on VM1 tonight

I wonder will it be a montage of Zara asking stupid questions about weddings and hairdressers. Although I can suppress my curiosity. MasterChef is on BBC at 9.

Plumbthedepths · 08-12-2020 05:57PM

statesaver wrote: »

What are ICU and hospital numbers now ?

215 hospital
31 ICU.

spookwoman · 08-12-2020 06:45PM

Last gives an indication of beds that's why suspected included. Trolley numbers are on the increase

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 06:46PM

big syke wrote:

The rational is people with underlying conditions can, for the most part, keep themselves isolated. Staff of care facilities, front line workers and Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact cannot isolate.

So private practice gp's, dentists, physiotherapists etc. and all their staff like receptionists and secretaries should be vaccinated before those with underlying conditions? Do you think that's the right way to do things?
Then you have healthy 65-69 year olds and key workers ahead of them as well. Just seems ridiculous to me.
Lockdowns very much a reality until all with underlying conditions are vaccinated.

Eivor · 08-12-2020 06:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So private practice gp's, dentists, physiotherapists etc. and all their staff like receptionists and secretaries should be vaccinated before those with underlying conditions? Do you think that's the right way to do things?
Then you have healthy 65-69 year olds and key workers ahead of them as well. Just seems ridiculous to me.
Lockdowns very much a reality until all with underlying conditions are vaccinated.

Their research must indicate that age is a bigger factor than some underlying conditions. Lockdowns won’t be necessary as they are only utilised to stop the hospitals being over run. Once the categories that are clogging up the hospitals for the most part (over 65’s and those older and vulnerable) lockdowns shouldn’t be necessary.

Widdensushi · 08-12-2020 06:55PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So private practice gp's, dentists, physiotherapists etc. and all their staff like receptionists and secretaries should be vaccinated before those with underlying conditions? Do you think that's the right way to do things?
Then you have healthy 65-69 year olds and key workers ahead of them as well. Just seems ridiculous to me.
Lockdowns very much a reality until all with underlying conditions are vaccinated.

Of course, they are front line, putting themselves at risk for the greater good, also if they catch it they are likely to come in contact with a large amount of those who are vulnerable.

lukas8888 · 08-12-2020 07:02PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So private practice gp's, dentists, physiotherapists etc. and all their staff like receptionists and secretaries should be vaccinated before those with underlying conditions? Do you think that's the right way to do things?
Then you have healthy 65-69 year olds and key workers ahead of them as well. Just seems ridiculous to me.
Lockdowns very much a reality until all with underlying conditions are vaccinated.

Nothing changes with you,your now trying to jump the queue using your underlying condition as a reason why your relative young age should not matter.Why do you think you should jump ahead of Dentists who spend all day crouched over patients mouths.

ZX7R · 08-12-2020 07:04PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So private practice gp's, dentists, physiotherapists etc. and all their staff like receptionists and secretaries should be vaccinated before those with underlying conditions? Do you think that's the right way to do things?
Then you have healthy 65-69 year olds and key workers ahead of them as well. Just seems ridiculous to me.
Lockdowns very much a reality until all with underlying conditions are vaccinated.

The role out is pretty much in line with the rest of Europe, and will end with the easing of restrictions quicker.
The aim is to take the pressure of the health sector's.
Sadly you and others with under lying issues are the minority in numbers.
Easier to cocoon the minority than to lockdown the majority.

ongarite · 08-12-2020 07:07PM

Over 85s cases way out of control but you won't hear NPHET mentioning it, only blaming under 25 age group.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1336380221172428802

Happydays2020 · 08-12-2020 07:12PM

I presume vaccines will also be supplied privately in addition to supplies through the public scheme. Presumably that will happen once the pharma companies meet their contractual obligations to Governments.

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 07:15PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I presume vaccines will also be supplied privately in addition to supplies through the public scheme. Presumably that will happen once the pharma companies meet their contractual obligations to Governments.

Wouldn't be presuming anything at this stage.

Turtwig · 08-12-2020 07:16PM

ongarite wrote: »

Over 85s cases way out of control but you won't hear NPHET mentioning it, only blaming under 25 age group.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1336380221172428802

I'd have to dig through their briefs but were NPHET not warning of this late Oct early Nov? Iiirc, They were expressing concern the case demographic was shifting towards over 70s outside of a care environment and older. This is also why there is such concern over intergenerational mixing during Xmas.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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