Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 04:33PM

spookwoman wrote: »

What of people who are in contact or live with elderly relatives, especially those with medical conditions .

The elderly relatives will be vaccinated first, sure they're high on the priority list.

Once they're vaccinated first that's the main thing. The people they live with fit into whatever grouping is there.

seamus · 08-12-2020 04:36PM

spookwoman wrote: »

What of people who are in contact or live with elderly relatives, especially those with medical conditions .

I expect these people will be considered on an individual basis; elderly relatives will get vaccinated based on their category. Person with medical conditions will get vaccinated based on theirs.

It may mean in some cases that an elderly relative will need to continue restricting their movements for a few weeks after vaccination because their carer is vulnerable.

Non-vulnerable people who care for or live with elderly relatives do not necessarily need to be moved up in priority since the relatives will already have been vaccinated.

Though they may qualify earlier under the "crowded settings" category, which doesn't seem that well defined. That could mean people in dorms, or homes which have as many adults as bedrooms.

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 04:50PM

I'd love to know who came up with the list. I'm of the opinion that the first four categories should be frontline workers dealing with covid patients, then care homes then over 70's followed by people with underlying conditions.

is_that_so · 08-12-2020 04:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd love to know who came up with the list. I'm of the opinion that the first four categories should be frontline workers dealing with covid patients, then care homes then over 70's followed by people with underlying conditions.

That's why they didn't ask you to write the list! The full list comes with ethical justifications.

Russman · 08-12-2020 04:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd love to know who came up with the list. I'm of the opinion that the first four categories should be frontline workers dealing with covid patients, then care homes then over 70's followed by people with underlying conditions.

I've a feeling that the list will become a bit like the levels of living with COVID. There'll be things moving up and down the priority depending on who shouts the loudest.

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 04:58PM

is_that_so wrote:

That's why they didn't ask you to write the list! The full list comes with ethical justifications.

Well I'll be high up on the list due to my job, I've underlying conditions which I feel are a much more important reason to get vaccinated. I know several people with underlying conditions who are basically locking themselves away.
I know of colleagues who were out in restaurants the other night.
I think those with underlying conditions should be taken care of first.

Stheno · 08-12-2020 05:00PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'll be high up on the list due to my job, I've underlying conditions which I feel are a much more important reason to get vaccinated. I know several people with underlying conditions who are basically locking themselves away.
I know of colleagues who were out in restaurants the other night.
I think those with underlying conditions should be taken care of first.

Of course you do, you've a vested interest and unable not to be biased

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 05:07PM

Stheno wrote:

Of course you do, you've a vested interest and unable not to be biased

I'm saying that my underlying conditions are a more important reason for me to be high on the list than my job.
Either way I'm high on the list but it's the wrong reason I'm high.
So vested interest how so? I'm basically in the same place because of my job as I'm saying I should be because of underlying conditions.

Plumbthedepths · 08-12-2020 05:07PM

Amusing to watch posters here try to justify why they should be allowed jump ahead of others. Actually quite pathetic to see.

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 05:09PM

Category 6 Key Workers is the least transparent one. Any idea what this covers?

Always_Running · 08-12-2020 05:11PM

seamus wrote: »

10,310 tests, 224 positive. 2.17%. 7-day stays at 2.50% (actually down .02%)

Compared to yesterday good to see 10 less positive swabs from 687 more tests.

Stheno · 08-12-2020 05:12PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Category 6 Key Workers is the least transparent one. Any idea what this covers?

According to Gavan O'Reilly on twitter it includes the likes education staff, logistics workers but needs to be refined

harr · 08-12-2020 05:13PM

I am a carer and my child ( under 12 ) has underlying conditions including heart issues and I am disappointed to seen him so far down the list .. if he gets covid his specialist is unsure how it might affect his already weak heart.

Stheno · 08-12-2020 05:15PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Category 6 Key Workers is the least transparent one. Any idea what this covers?

According to Gavan O'Reilly on twitter it includes the likes education staff, logistics workers but needs to be refined

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 05:16PM

Stheno wrote: »

According to Gavan O'Reilly on twitter it includes the likes education staff, logistics workers but needs to be refined

Category 11 is specifically for education workers.

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 05:18PM

harr wrote: »

I am a carer and my child ( under 12 ) has underlying conditions including heart issues and I am disappointed to seen him so far down the list .. if he gets covid his specialist is unsure how it might affect his already weak heart.

People with underlying health conditions are very far down the list relatively speaking given the advice to those people has been amongst the strictest.

Stheno · 08-12-2020 05:19PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Category 11 is specifically for education workers.

I'm confused so

is_that_so · 08-12-2020 05:22PM

Stheno wrote: »

I'm confused so

"Key workers (to be further refined)" is what gov.ie says, so ignore Gavin!

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 05:22PM

namloc1980 wrote:

People with underlying health conditions are very far down the list relatively speaking given the advice to those people has been amongst the strictest.

And the potential for lockdowns exists until these people are vaccinated.

is_that_so · 08-12-2020 05:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And the potential for lockdowns exists until these people are vaccinated.

No, January, if it happens, will be the last one of these. 3-4 months of vaccinations should see case numbers go right down to where McConkey et al want us to be right now.

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 05:31PM

is_that_so wrote:

No, January, if it happens, will be the last one of these. 3-4 of vaccinations should see case numbers go right down to where McConkey et al want us to be.

How would it? They are saying that there's no guarantee that being vaccinated prevents you from being a carrier and transmitter.

BeefeaterHat · 08-12-2020 05:32PM

eagle eye wrote: »

How would it? They are saying that there's no guarantee that being vaccinated prevents you from being a carrier and transmitter.

So basically lockdown continues indefinitely? If a vaccine isn't good enough to end restrictions in your opinion, what will be?

eagle eye · 08-12-2020 05:35PM

BeefeaterHat wrote:

So basically lockdown continues indefinitely? If a vaccine isn't good enough to end restrictions in your opinion, what will be?

Everybody vaccinated, or offered the vaccine I should say because there'll be plenty of clowns will refuse it.
As long as there's people with underlying conditions unvaccinated by not being offered it we have to be careful.

namloc1980 · 08-12-2020 05:35PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

So basically lockdown continues indefinitely? If a vaccine isn't good enough to end restrictions in your opinion, what will be?

People with underlying conditions are very far down the list, for example children with underlying conditions are in the very last category. Given that we know quite well that people with underlying conditions are at heightened risk of severe disease and even death, leaving these groups towards the end will see restrictions continue until they are vaccinated.

marno21 · 08-12-2020 05:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

How would it? They are saying that there's no guarantee that being vaccinated prevents you from being a carrier and transmitter.

If all the vulnerable are vaccinated which either prevents infection or prevents severe Covid-19 there’s no need for restrictions whether there’s protection against transmission or not

We cannot afford beyond ~6 months more of restrictions without a bleak future and the restrictions are destroying people’s lives, livelihoods and the country’s morale. Unless there’s very good reason for restrictions (there’s extremely weak reason for them based on the current outlook outside of fanatic lockdown merchants for whom the restrictions have little
Impact) the restrictions will disappear after reality takes over.

BeefeaterHat · 08-12-2020 05:41PM

marno21 wrote: »

If all the vulnerable are vaccinated which either prevents infection or prevents severe Covid-19 there’s no need for restrictions whether there’s protection against transmission or not

We cannot afford beyond ~6 months more of restrictions without a bleak future and the restrictions are destroying people’s lives, livelihoods and the country’s morale. Unless there’s very good reason for restrictions (there’s extremely weak reason for them based on the current outlook outside of fanatic lockdown merchants for whom the restrictions have little
Impact) the restrictions will disappear after reality takes over.

Exactly, the notion that we remain at lockdown until everyone in Ireland who has a medical condition gets vaccinated is insanity.

Sconsey · 08-12-2020 05:41PM

marno21 wrote: »

If all the vulnerable are vaccinated which either prevents infection or prevents severe Covid-19 there’s no need for restrictions whether there’s protection against transmission or not

We cannot afford beyond ~6 months more of restrictions without a bleak future and the restrictions are destroying people’s lives, livelihoods and the country’s morale. Unless there’s very good reason for restrictions (there’s extremely weak reason for them based on the current outlook outside of fanatic lockdown merchants for whom the restrictions have little
Impact) the restrictions will disappear after reality takes over.

My rough calculation puts the at-risk under 65's getting it in April (best case scenario really), probably about 2 months to get that cohort sorted. So I am guessing June / July before we go much lower than level 3 or 2.

KrustyUCC · 08-12-2020 05:41PM

215 cases
1 death

DenMan · 08-12-2020 05:42PM

215 cases today and sadly 1 death. RIP

NunianVonFuch · 08-12-2020 05:44PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Exactly, the notion that we remain at lockdown until everyone in Ireland who has a medical condition gets vaccinated is insanity.

There's always the hope that the vaccine does block transmission, or at least severely reduces viral load of those it passes through. Then after whatever Jan/Feb lockdown we have, we slowly go through the levels without any complications.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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