COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

expectationlost · 08-12-2020 02:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Cause it's out of their hands! EU does the deal, we sign off on the money and we get a per capita allocation.

That said I think we should aim for bilateral deals once the priority groups are done.

so they haven't bought enough vaccine for everyone yet?

Kerry25x · 08-12-2020 03:10PM

I'm in the second group working with direct patient contact, hoping for February maybe.

A little suprised to see teachers so far down the list, can imagine the unions making a fuss over that?

Gael23 · 08-12-2020 03:12PM

Has anyone got a link to the list?

Stheno · 08-12-2020 03:12PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Has anyone got a link to the list?

Its linked a few posts up

Water John · 08-12-2020 03:15PM

Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine gives a high level of immunity 10 days after the first injection;
'Noah Weiland and Carl Zimmer at the New York Times bring us this rapid analysis of what is in the FDA’s assessment of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine:

The coronavirus vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech provides strong protection against Covid-19 within about 10 days of the first dose, according to documents published by the Food and Drug Administration before a meeting of its vaccine advisory group.' Guardian

mightyreds · 08-12-2020 03:17PM

15 groups in the list wonder are we looking at 15 months to get through it or a group weekly/bi-weekly?

Gael23 · 08-12-2020 03:17PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'd be doubtful you'll fall into category 7 to be honest unless you've one of the pre defined underlying conditions which are in the document, then you would.

No it won't because it'll be clearly defined and many would fall into other categories.

As far as I can see under 65 with pre existing illness is category 7. Do you think I should fall into a higher category?

hmmm · 08-12-2020 03:20PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Eye catching comment on Reddit Ireland, telling it like it is

Hmmmm and Hmmzzzz: would love your thoughts

The details are not correct. The application to the EU & FDA is also for the equivalent of a conditional emergency authorisation, it's not for general release.

There was a lady interviewed on US TV, I think she was an ex-FDA commissioner, explaining the general difference between the UK & MHRA processes. The MHRA get the data from the companies, along with the company model interpreting the result, and audits the processes used to generate the model. The FDA gets the data, and regenerates the models using its own processes. I'm not qualified to say which is better, but the latter approach sounds much more time-consuming. I don't know how the EMA does it.

Either way it can be seen as a positive as different regulators take different approaches to reviewing the data, and it will be interesting to see if they come to the same result.

odyssey06 · 08-12-2020 03:20PM

This is the list of what's considered pre-existing condition e.g. it is specific enough not just 'asthma':

Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement;
chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission;
Type 1 and 2 diabetes;
chronic neurological disease;
chronic kidney disease;
body mass index >40;
immunosuppression due to disease or treatment;
chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 03:21PM

Gael23 wrote: »

As far as I can see under 65 with pre existing illness is category 7. Do you think I should fall into a higher category?

Pre existing conditions covered in cat 7. If you've the below your in cat 7 if not covered in any earlier category.

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions* * which put them at high risk of severe disease. Its specific enough, if you fall into the below then that's the one for you alright, end of the day it'll be based on your medical needs so I'm sure GPs etc will decide who fits in best where.

**Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease

ACitizenErased · 08-12-2020 03:23PM

I fall into category 7 thankfully. I would swap category 6 and 7 to be honest.

Water John · 08-12-2020 03:25PM

Here is further from the FDA;
'What’s more, the vaccine worked well regardless of a volunteer’s race, weight or age. While the trial did not find any serious adverse events caused by the vaccine, many participants did experience aches, fevers and other side effects.

New coronavirus cases quickly tapered off in the vaccinated group of volunteers about 10 days after the first dose, according to one graph in the briefing materials. In a placebo group, cases kept steadily increasing.

The vaccine has a high efficacy rate in both men and women, as well as similar rates in white, Black and Latino people. It also worked well in obese people, who carry a greater risk of getting sick with Covid-19.'

This is as good as could ever have been hoped for. Great news.

Russman · 08-12-2020 03:26PM

mightyreds wrote: »

15 groups in the list wonder are we looking at 15 months to get through it or a group weekly/bi-weekly?

Yeah, I'd love to have some sort of idea as to the timescale. Might not be practical yet though with no vaccines approved yet.

Gael23 · 08-12-2020 03:26PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pre existing conditions covered in cat 7. If you've the below your in cat 7 if not covered in any earlier category.

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions* * which put them at high risk of severe disease. Its specific enough, if you fall into the below then that's the one for you alright, end of the day it'll be based on your medical needs so I'm sure GPs etc will decide who fits in best where.

**Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease

Hopefully a private market opens up because I’m not waiting that long. I’m being told to isolate but that low on the priority list

How long do they expect to take for each category?

lawrencesummers · 08-12-2020 03:27PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

This is the list of what's considered pre-existing condition e.g. it is specific enough not just 'asthma':
Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement;

chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission;

Type 1 and 2 diabetes;

chronic neurological disease;

chronic kidney disease;

body mass index >40;

immunosuppression due to disease or treatment;

chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

So your reward for being obese is that you can go to Spain sooner than skinny people?

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 03:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I fall into category 7 thankfully. I would swap category 6 and 7 to be honest.

14 for myself but I don't mind it, there should be more than enough vaccinated in the first few stages to mean less restrictions and probably none by the time it gets to me.

My work could see me maybe move into another category but I wouldn't be pushing for it, I'll take it when its my turn

Stheno · 08-12-2020 03:31PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Hopefully a private market opens up because I’m not waiting that long. I’m being told to isolate but that low on the priority list

How long do they expect to take for each category?

Just what group ahead of yours should be bumped so you get a vaccine sooner?

What a selfish post

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 03:33PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Hopefully a private market opens up because I’m not waiting that long. I’m being told to isolate but that low on the priority list

How long do they expect to take for each category?

There isn't a timeline on each category. That all depends on supply etc. We could have multiple vaccine which speed it up significantly.

There won't be a private market, nobody as it stands or is planned to be able to jump the queue because they can pay for it, not the way this is going to work. Its a fair way of distribution.

Russman · 08-12-2020 03:35PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

14 for myself but I don't mind it, there should be more than enough vaccinated in the first few stages to mean less restrictions and probably none by the time it gets to me.

My work could see me maybe move into another category but I wouldn't be pushing for it, I'll take it when its my turn

Exactly 100% the same for me.

JimmyVik · 08-12-2020 03:39PM

Russman wrote: »

Exactly 100% the same for me.

Me too. Im in group 14.5

odyssey06 · 08-12-2020 03:41PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions...
**Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease

I did find it surprising that adults 65-69 are ranked higher than people in this list.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 08-12-2020 03:43PM

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

expectationlost · 08-12-2020 03:46PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

as long as they get it sooner what the problem?

iamwhoiam · 08-12-2020 03:48PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

Your parents will be high up on the list so

SusanC10 · 08-12-2020 03:50PM

Groups 14 & 15 for our household.

Still unclear which group my sibling with special needs falls into.

Nijmegen · 08-12-2020 03:51PM

mightyreds wrote: »

15 groups in the list wonder are we looking at 15 months to get through it or a group weekly/bi-weekly?

From what I've read, all the currently approved vaccines or soon to be approved vaccines won't produce enough doses in 2021 to cover the world population. Now rich countries are probably buying up more than their fair share. But there's a chance this takes 18 months to roll out.

Marhay70 · 08-12-2020 03:51PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

I'm curious as to why your position would change radically when the vaccine rolls out.
I'm guessing that your parents will be in one of the first groups so once they are vaccinated presumably they will be at less risk from your living with them then they are presently. No?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 08-12-2020 03:53PM

expectationlost wrote: »

as long as they get it sooner what the problem?

Maybe your right.

I'm assuming that the efficacy rate will be lower for them as they both have issues with their immune system in addition to other health issues.

Staff in nursing homes get it alongside the residents so I figured I might be prioritised based on living with the parents who would be at risk.

I could be completely off with that idea. I'm not an expert.

expectationlost · 08-12-2020 03:54PM

Nijmegen wrote: »

From what I've read, all the currently approved vaccines or soon to be approved vaccines won't produce enough doses in 2021 to cover the world population. Now rich countries are probably buying up more than their fair share. But there's a chance this takes 18 months to roll out.

another year and half! (Im in category 14)

titan18 · 08-12-2020 03:54PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

This is the list of what's considered pre-existing condition e.g. it is specific enough not just 'asthma':
Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement;

chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission;

Type 1 and 2 diabetes;

chronic neurological disease;

chronic kidney disease;

body mass index >40;

immunosuppression due to disease or treatment;

chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

If anyone wants to be prioritised, eat and drink a feckload over Christmas and get that bmi up

Tbf, I don't really mind when I get it. My parents and brother, who I live with, will be higher up the list I'd assume (works in a hospital, school and pharmacy) so when they're vaccinated, the chances of me getting it become much less

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