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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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Kerry25x

I'm in the second group working with direct patient contact, hoping for February maybe.

A little suprised to see teachers so far down the list, can imagine the unions making a fuss over that?

Gael23

Has anyone got a link to the list?

Stheno

Gael23 wrote: »

Has anyone got a link to the list?

Its linked a few posts up

Water John

Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine gives a high level of immunity 10 days after the first injection;
'Noah Weiland and Carl Zimmer at the New York Times bring us this rapid analysis of what is in the FDA’s assessment of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine:

The coronavirus vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech provides strong protection against Covid-19 within about 10 days of the first dose, according to documents published by the Food and Drug Administration before a meeting of its vaccine advisory group.' Guardian

mightyreds

15 groups in the list wonder are we looking at 15 months to get through it or a group weekly/bi-weekly?

Gael23

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'd be doubtful you'll fall into category 7 to be honest unless you've one of the pre defined underlying conditions which are in the document, then you would.

No it won't because it'll be clearly defined and many would fall into other categories.

As far as I can see under 65 with pre existing illness is category 7. Do you think I should fall into a higher category?

hmmm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Eye catching comment on Reddit Ireland, telling it like it is

Hmmmm and Hmmzzzz: would love your thoughts

The details are not correct. The application to the EU & FDA is also for the equivalent of a conditional emergency authorisation, it's not for general release.

There was a lady interviewed on US TV, I think she was an ex-FDA commissioner, explaining the general difference between the UK & MHRA processes. The MHRA get the data from the companies, along with the company model interpreting the result, and audits the processes used to generate the model. The FDA gets the data, and regenerates the models using its own processes. I'm not qualified to say which is better, but the latter approach sounds much more time-consuming. I don't know how the EMA does it.

Either way it can be seen as a positive as different regulators take different approaches to reviewing the data, and it will be interesting to see if they come to the same result.

odyssey06

This is the list of what's considered pre-existing condition e.g. it is specific enough not just 'asthma':

Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement;
chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission;
Type 1 and 2 diabetes;
chronic neurological disease;
chronic kidney disease;
body mass index >40;
immunosuppression due to disease or treatment;
chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

As far as I can see under 65 with pre existing illness is category 7. Do you think I should fall into a higher category?

Pre existing conditions covered in cat 7. If you've the below your in cat 7 if not covered in any earlier category.

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions* * which put them at high risk of severe disease. Its specific enough, if you fall into the below then that's the one for you alright, end of the day it'll be based on your medical needs so I'm sure GPs etc will decide who fits in best where.

**Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease

ACitizenErased

I fall into category 7 thankfully. I would swap category 6 and 7 to be honest.

Water John

Here is further from the FDA;
'What’s more, the vaccine worked well regardless of a volunteer’s race, weight or age. While the trial did not find any serious adverse events caused by the vaccine, many participants did experience aches, fevers and other side effects.

New coronavirus cases quickly tapered off in the vaccinated group of volunteers about 10 days after the first dose, according to one graph in the briefing materials. In a placebo group, cases kept steadily increasing.

The vaccine has a high efficacy rate in both men and women, as well as similar rates in white, Black and Latino people. It also worked well in obese people, who carry a greater risk of getting sick with Covid-19.'

This is as good as could ever have been hoped for. Great news.

Russman

mightyreds wrote: »

15 groups in the list wonder are we looking at 15 months to get through it or a group weekly/bi-weekly?

Yeah, I'd love to have some sort of idea as to the timescale. Might not be practical yet though with no vaccines approved yet.

Gael23

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pre existing conditions covered in cat 7. If you've the below your in cat 7 if not covered in any earlier category.

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions* * which put them at high risk of severe disease. Its specific enough, if you fall into the below then that's the one for you alright, end of the day it'll be based on your medical needs so I'm sure GPs etc will decide who fits in best where.

**Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease

Hopefully a private market opens up because I’m not waiting that long. I’m being told to isolate but that low on the priority list

How long do they expect to take for each category?

lawrencesummers

odyssey06 wrote: »

This is the list of what's considered pre-existing condition e.g. it is specific enough not just 'asthma':
Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement;

chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission;

Type 1 and 2 diabetes;

chronic neurological disease;

chronic kidney disease;

body mass index >40;

immunosuppression due to disease or treatment;

chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

So your reward for being obese is that you can go to Spain sooner than skinny people?

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I fall into category 7 thankfully. I would swap category 6 and 7 to be honest.

14 for myself but I don't mind it, there should be more than enough vaccinated in the first few stages to mean less restrictions and probably none by the time it gets to me.

My work could see me maybe move into another category but I wouldn't be pushing for it, I'll take it when its my turn

Stheno

Gael23 wrote: »

Hopefully a private market opens up because I’m not waiting that long. I’m being told to isolate but that low on the priority list

How long do they expect to take for each category?

Just what group ahead of yours should be bumped so you get a vaccine sooner?

What a selfish post

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

Hopefully a private market opens up because I’m not waiting that long. I’m being told to isolate but that low on the priority list

How long do they expect to take for each category?

There isn't a timeline on each category. That all depends on supply etc. We could have multiple vaccine which speed it up significantly.

There won't be a private market, nobody as it stands or is planned to be able to jump the queue because they can pay for it, not the way this is going to work. Its a fair way of distribution.

Russman

stephenjmcd wrote: »

14 for myself but I don't mind it, there should be more than enough vaccinated in the first few stages to mean less restrictions and probably none by the time it gets to me.

My work could see me maybe move into another category but I wouldn't be pushing for it, I'll take it when its my turn

Exactly 100% the same for me.

JimmyVik

Russman wrote: »

Exactly 100% the same for me.

Me too. Im in group 14.5

odyssey06

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Aged 18-64 years with medical conditions...
**Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement; chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission; Type 1 and 2 diabetes; chronic neurological disease; chronic kidney disease; body mass index >40; immunosuppression due to disease or treatment; chronic liver disease

I did find it surprising that adults 65-69 are ranked higher than people in this list.

CIARAN_BOYLE

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

expectationlost

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

as long as they get it sooner what the problem?

iamwhoiam

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

Your parents will be high up on the list so

SusanC10

Groups 14 & 15 for our household.

Still unclear which group my sibling with special needs falls into.

Nijmegen

mightyreds wrote: »

15 groups in the list wonder are we looking at 15 months to get through it or a group weekly/bi-weekly?

From what I've read, all the currently approved vaccines or soon to be approved vaccines won't produce enough doses in 2021 to cover the world population. Now rich countries are probably buying up more than their fair share. But there's a chance this takes 18 months to roll out.

Marhay70

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No suggestions that people who live with vulnerable peoples should be in a higher group.

I'm not a home carer but I live with my parents both older people with health issues.

I would have suspected my position in the list would have been increased because of that.

Ah well. It is what it is. I'll be near the end of the list.

I'm curious as to why your position would change radically when the vaccine rolls out.
I'm guessing that your parents will be in one of the first groups so once they are vaccinated presumably they will be at less risk from your living with them then they are presently. No?

CIARAN_BOYLE

expectationlost wrote: »

as long as they get it sooner what the problem?

Maybe your right.

I'm assuming that the efficacy rate will be lower for them as they both have issues with their immune system in addition to other health issues.

Staff in nursing homes get it alongside the residents so I figured I might be prioritised based on living with the parents who would be at risk.

I could be completely off with that idea. I'm not an expert.

expectationlost

Nijmegen wrote: »

From what I've read, all the currently approved vaccines or soon to be approved vaccines won't produce enough doses in 2021 to cover the world population. Now rich countries are probably buying up more than their fair share. But there's a chance this takes 18 months to roll out.

another year and half! (Im in category 14)

titan18

odyssey06 wrote: »

This is the list of what's considered pre-existing condition e.g. it is specific enough not just 'asthma':
Chronic heart disease, including hypertension with cardiac involvement;

chronic respiratory disease, including asthma requiring continuous or repeated use of systemic steroids or with previous exacerbations requiring hospital admission;

Type 1 and 2 diabetes;

chronic neurological disease;

chronic kidney disease;

body mass index >40;

immunosuppression due to disease or treatment;

chronic liver disease.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

If anyone wants to be prioritised, eat and drink a feckload over Christmas and get that bmi up

Tbf, I don't really mind when I get it. My parents and brother, who I live with, will be higher up the list I'd assume (works in a hospital, school and pharmacy) so when they're vaccinated, the chances of me getting it become much less

Kerry25x

Nijmegen wrote: »

From what I've read, all the currently approved vaccines or soon to be approved vaccines won't produce enough doses in 2021 to cover the world population. Now rich countries are probably buying up more than their fair share. But there's a chance this takes 18 months to roll out.

I imagine a decent percentage will refuse it anyway so they wouldn't cover the whole world in 2021 even if they could. Hopefully there will be enough to cover most who want it.