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Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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  • #1982
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I can't be the only one who ****en hates wearing masks, I can't wait for them to be gone.


  • #1983
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,654 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Nothing stopping them staying in lockdown for as long as they want. Have no visitors, stay within 5km of their house etc etc.

    True,except when it doesn't suit them to stay within the 5km of their house!!


  • #1984
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I can't be the only one who ****en hates wearing masks, I can't wait for them to be gone.

    They're not the most enjoyable to wear at the moment because of condensation, they end up soaking through, manky.


  • #1985
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,903 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    There really is not good evidence of justification for their usage without other restrictons. American cities have near 100% mask usage and still cases growing massively. It doesn't disprove that they might have some benefit but masks alone don't seem to do much. Maybe with the less contagious flu masks might have a more prnounced impact though. If they were found to be effective for flu I'd say it'd be a good idea to maintain mandate on public transport from December -February,

    But countries in East Asia with mask culture stll have large flu outbreaks too.

    Crowded public transport, smaller living conditions, larger cities, climate, sanitary conditions etc etc.

    You cant compare Asian counties to here. Apples and oranges.


  • #1986
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I do wonder though if we should adopt an approach of encouraging masks every winter.
    There is a lot to be said for people wearing masks when they're sick and want to get out and about. At the very least, this experience might remove the stigma from doing that.

    Realistically though what we need is a culture of self-isolation when we're sick. It's better that someone says, "No, I'm sick, I'm staying at home this week" rather than trying to go into work or go to the pub or whatever and just push through it. If we could do that, we wouldn't need masks to hang around except in exceptional circumstances.

    There's a mask-wearing culture in Japan, for example, because they also have a "work till you drop" culture. Masks let them go to work sick. We just shouldn't be going to work sick.

    Most of us have now had most of a year where we've got to experience what it's like to not have to deal with 3 or 4 head colds in that time. And it's purely because we're not getting exposed to sick people. Hopefully it'll become less socially acceptable (perhaps backed up by an ad campaign from the HSE) to go out and about with a big red nose on you and coughing and sneezing in a crowded room.


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  • #1987
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Nothing stopping them staying in lockdown for as long as they want. Have no visitors, stay within 5km of their house etc etc.

    I'm convinced there are many people who enjoy lockdown and don't want all this to end.

    Sure Ronnie O'Sullivan, snooker player, is on record saying he loves the peace of it all, and if he had his way it would go on for years.

    Lockdowns suit some people.

    Selfish though to want this lark to go on longer than necessary. Lock yourselves up in your rooms if you want. Nothing stopping you.


  • #1988
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    seamus wrote: »
    There is a lot to be said for people wearing masks when they're sick and want to get out and about. At the very least, this experience might remove the stigma from doing that.

    Realistically though what we need is a culture of self-isolation when we're sick. It's better that someone says, "No, I'm sick, I'm staying at home this week" rather than trying to go into work or go to the pub or whatever and just push through it. If we could do that, we wouldn't need masks to hang around except in exceptional circumstances.

    Most of us have now had most of a year where we've got to experience what it's like to not have to deal with 3 or 4 head colds in that time. And it's purely because we're not getting exposed to sick people. Hopefully it'll become less socially acceptable (perhaps backed up by an ad campaign from the HSE) to go out and about with a big red nose on you and coughing and sneezing in a crowded room.

    I'm not so sure about this. It is exposure to illness which (in part) builds our immunity to illness. So, I think it is a more complex issue that you suggest.


  • #1989
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    seamus wrote: »
    There is a lot to be said for people wearing masks when they're sick and want to get out and about. At the very least, this experience might remove the stigma from doing that.

    Realistically though what we need is a culture of self-isolation when we're sick. It's better that someone says, "No, I'm sick, I'm staying at home this week" rather than trying to go into work or go to the pub or whatever and just push through it. If we could do that, we wouldn't need masks to hang around except in exceptional circumstances.

    There's a mask-wearing culture in Japan, for example, because they also have a "work till you drop" culture. Masks let them go to work sick. We just shouldn't be going to work sick.

    Most of us have now had most of a year where we've got to experience what it's like to not have to deal with 3 or 4 head colds in that time. And it's purely because we're not getting exposed to sick people. Hopefully it'll become less socially acceptable (perhaps backed up by an ad campaign from the HSE) to go out and about with a big red nose on you and coughing and sneezing in a crowded room.

    It's good for your immune system to get 1 or 2 normal head colds a year. We shouldn't be trying to eliminate our exposure to normal head colds.


  • #1990
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Must be getting my tests mixed up, this one takes 15 minutes to get result.

    Which one? AFAIR you meant PCR, Mandrake04 have explained it is not fast. Rapid tests as far i can see are all still not recommended by WHO.


  • #1991
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Turtwig wrote: »
    I do wonder though if we should adopt an approach of encouraging masks every winter.

    Absolutely. I'd go as far as making it mandatory in shops, concerts, cinema's etc..


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  • #1992
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Absolutely. I'd go as far as making it mandatory in shops, concerts, cinema's etc..

    That must be a wind up, right?


  • #1993
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    seamus wrote: »

    Most of us have now had most of a year where we've got to experience what it's like to not have to deal with 3 or 4 head colds in that time. And it's purely because we're not getting exposed to sick people. Hopefully it'll become less socially acceptable (perhaps backed up by an ad campaign from the HSE) to go out and about with a big red nose on you and coughing and sneezing in a crowded room.

    Spot on, my family were only discussing last week that none of them had colds this year. I'm middle aged and for as long as I can remember I get a bad cold late September or October, it seems to last several weeks, going down to my chest and ending up with a cough that's hard to shake off. Last year it started before I went on holidays and spent the holiday having uncontrollable fits of coughing everytime I laughed and disgusting ammounts of phlegm.
    Nothing this year, it stands to reason that the respiratory etiquette and caution practice by many has had more than one positive effect.


  • #1994
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    I actually shouted expletives at the radio just now - they were reporting about the vaccine being rolled out and how we shouldn't get carried away just because it has started and some doctor said that there may be restrictions for the next 12 months?!!!!! WTF!!!! I was just so pissed off - we have to listen to this on the day that history is being made; could they not just let us have one day of positivity??


  • #1995
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I'm not so sure about this. It is exposure to illness which (in part) builds our immunity to illness. So, I think it is a more complex issue that you suggest.
    Chivito550 wrote: »
    It's good for your immune system to get 1 or 2 normal head colds a year. We shouldn't be trying to eliminate our exposure to normal head colds.
    We will never eliminate it, but that doesn't mean we should be going around spreading it.

    There are many different pathogens flying around, limiting our exposure to head colds specifically is just a couple out of hundreds of different threats our immune systems will fight off every year.

    Telling people to stay at home when they're sick is akin to advising people to wash their hands or cough into their elbows.


  • #1996
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I'm not so sure about this. It is exposure to illness which (in part) builds our immunity to illness. So, I think it is a more complex issue that you suggest.

    Good point, could be complete pseudo science but I've heard it suggested that cross immunity
    ight be why the death rate in India is lower than other countries with similar age demographics such as Mexico,which has better living conditions in general.


  • #1997
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1336274390758133760?s=19

    I still am in disbelief this is happening this side of Christmas! Just beyond any expectation , incredible achievement by humanity , so exciting


  • #1998
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Absolutely. I'd go as far as making it mandatory in shops, concerts, cinema's etc..

    Feck off with masks once vaccines have done their job.if some in society want to be muzzled up for the rest of their existence on earth work away.i for one cant wait to burn the damn yokes


  • #1999
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Good point, could be complete pseudo science but I've heard it suggested that cross immunity
    ight be why the death rate in India is lower than other countries with similar age demographics such as Mexico,which has better living conditions in general.
    There was a recent paper which found that antibodies from the common cold did react to this coronavirus, but they had no effect on neutralising it. Cross-immunity was a hope earlier in the year, I don't think there is much scientific support any more. Must be another explanation if what you're saying is correct - although I'd start by asking whether we have accurate data on the death rate from both locations?


  • #2000
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    seamus wrote: »

    Telling people to stay at home when they're sick is akin to advising people to wash their hands or cough into their elbows.

    It has been the norm up until now that people with mild illness continue to go about their business largely as normal. The experiment of isolating for all illness, no matter how mild, could have unforeseen consequences.


  • #2001
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    bb1234567 wrote: »

    I still am in disbelief this is happening this side of Christmas! Just beyond any expectation , incredible achievement by humanity , so exciting

    It's not without downsides though

    https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1336228418149625858?s=20


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  • #2002
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It's not without downsides though

    https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1336228418149625858?s=20

    Christ....makes it sound like the Brits created the vaccine :D Cringeworthy viewing


  • #2003
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    The only place I would be okay with seeing masks post-pandemic is on public transport, if you are sick and are sneezing and coughing. It won't eliminate cold viruses, we'll still catch a couple of colds every winter, but it might mean that you don't lurch from one virus to another between October and April.

    Other than that, masks should be burned at the end of this.

    Really positive day with the first vaccine being rolled out. What an uplifting day.


  • #2004
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    seamus wrote: »
    We will never eliminate it, but that doesn't mean we should be going around spreading it.

    There are many different pathogens flying around, limiting our exposure to head colds specifically is just a couple out of hundreds of different threats our immune systems will fight off every year.

    Telling people to stay at home when they're sick is akin to advising people to wash their hands or cough into their elbows.

    Sounds great in theory. I was only in work a week last year when I came down with an awful dose. I stayed home the first day, but I was lousy for a week and a half. I was on probation so no sick pay, so in I went. Unless there is mandatory sick pay for everyone, then it's a bit rich to expect people to stay home because of a cold.


  • #2005
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    leahyl wrote: »
    Christ....makes it sound like the Brits created the vaccine :D Cringeworthy viewing

    In fairness, they took a risk by being the first country to approve and roll out. I know they didn't make the vaccine but if no significant issues crop up, they can be rightly proud that they were the first to take the risk. I'll excuse Matt Hancock this once. Tory tw*t and Boris crony he may be, but like every health minister across the world he has had a very very stressful year. The responsibility on his shoulders must nearly be crushing. I get why he's emotional.


  • #2006
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Starting to feel confident about my trip to London in May

    6 months is a long time.


  • #2007
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    JDD wrote: »
    In fairness, they took a risk by being the first country to approve and roll out. I know they didn't make the vaccine but if no significant issues crop up, they can be rightly proud that they were the first to take the risk. I'll excuse Matt Hancock this once. Tory tw*t and Boris crony he may be, but like every health minister across the world he has had a very very stressful year. The responsibility on his shoulders must nearly be crushing. I get why he's emotional.

    eh... he's faking the emotion

    it's like he's never seen someone cry before and has been asked to interperet what it might look like


  • #2008
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    JDD wrote: »
    I get why he's emotional.

    He was laughing!


  • #2009
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    JDD wrote: »
    In fairness, they took a risk by being the first country to approve and roll out. I know they didn't make the vaccine but if no significant issues crop up, they can be rightly proud that they were the first to take the risk. I'll excuse Matt Hancock this once. Tory tw*t and Boris crony he may be, but like every health minister across the world he has had a very very stressful year. The responsibility on his shoulders must nearly be crushing. I get why he's emotional.

    In my opinion they are rolling it out to deflect from the ****show that is Brexit
    Smoke and mirrors come to mind


  • #2010
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Our vaccine rollout tiers have been agreed.

    Over 65s in nursing homes first

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1336284493733302272?s=19


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  • #2011
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Thats me wrote: »
    Which one? AFAIR you meant PCR, Mandrake04 have explained it is not fast. Rapid tests as far i can see are all still not recommended by WHO.

    The one that the lady I work with had to get, and has to get again the day of her visit to her father.


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