Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

UK Vaccine opinion polls -
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-britons-back-air-travel-ban-for-people-whove-not-received-coronavirus-vaccine-poll-suggests-12154203

• Only 20% say they would not get the vaccine.
  
• 54% felt it would be acceptable to limit air travel to only people who have been vaccinated.
  
• For transport in general, such as buses and trains, around a third (36%) thought it would be okay to limit travel to vaccinated people.
  
• The percentage in support of limiting access to restaurants was 39%, and 44% for cinemas.
  
  None that surprising but the most bizarre one is this -
• '11% say they could stop following social distancing after they get vaccinated'..did I read this one right have I misinterpreted something about this line I don't understand how the figure could be that small??

bb1234567 wrote: »

None that surprising but the most bizarre one is this - [*]'11% say they could stop following social distancing after they get vaccinated'..did I read this one right have I misinterpreted something about this line I don't understand how the figure could be that small??
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It's mentioned later on that this is the % who would ignore any rules in place after they were vaccinated. We know that we will need people to continue social distancing, wearing masks etc after they've been vaccinated as we don't know yet whether they can still spread the virus. That 11% are effectively saying "screw that, I'm not following any more rules".

It's good news in my opinion - the message has got through to the other 89% that until we have most of the population vaccinated, we are going to have to continue to be careful. There is a risk that vaccinated people could become large-scale spreaders of the virus if they go back to normal life while vaccinations are still in progress.

HSE operations report 7/12 as of 8pm

216 Covid cases hospitalised - decrease from 231

ICU Covid cases 28 - unchanged
Ventilated 18 - unchanged
1 death in ICU last 24 hours

Before March 99.99% of people didnt know what PCR was, now its like an everyday word. Its almost comical reading some of the stuff on here, most 'experts' wouldn't know an analyzer if it fell out of the sky and hit them on the head never mind take them apart fix them and put them back together again.


Actually only takes 3.5 hrs to run the (94) PCR tests, of course the logistics of getting to the lab etc adds to that time.

Quick tests like Cepheid Genexpert IV are semi portable and about the size of a large desktop laser printer, can run 4 tests in 45 mins.

POC like 15min Abbott NOW is not PCR but an isothermal NAT, size of a small inkjet printer. Very portable.

marno21 wrote: »

Jonathan Van Tam reckons that the first wave of vaccinations will eliminate 99% of deaths.

But Murphy's law telling anything that can go wrong will go wrong.


I do not mean it will not work, most likely it will work. But i wouldn't relax until the issue completely resolved.

72sheep wrote: »

Consider me triggered :-) The vast vast majority of the psychological issues are going to be due to NPHET's lockdown response to Covid - and not the virus itself. I wonder whatever happened to the speculated physical risks of the virus e.g lung scarring and whatever else they were forewarning about previously. If this report is true then it's a very aggressive stance for NPHET to be taking. Maybe they can't quite believe how submissive the populus has been and are establishing the narrative for the next phases while everyone's still stunned.

[Probably bad karma to respond to my own post but I'll risk it.]

Wowee, I just looked at that 'Public Opinion Tracking Research' CMO report for first time. This content is a wet dream for CMO lawyers and HR team going forwards - and conveniently the source material behind all those slides is entirely fabricable and impossible to invalidate. Great work.

I'm also not sure how surveying the populus on how they "feel" made it to near the top of the priorities list when we're on the precipice of our health system melting down. If CMO leadership were assured of their actions then they would not need - or have the resources available - to take the pulse of the public mood.

Hopefully via FOI we'll be able to see who proposed this particular report so we can give them all the due "credit" they deserve over the years to come :-)

marno21 wrote: »

The first group being vaccinated are those at risk of severe covid-19 resulting in potential hospitalisation and death. Should these people be protected from hospitalisation and death, spread of the virus becomes a secondary issue.

Jonathan Van Tam reckons that the first wave of vaccinations will eliminate 99% of deaths. That makes this virus a completely different kettle of fish. Even Ireland’s relatively high CFR of 2.8% becomes 0.028% if 99% of deaths are eliminated. You don’t have lockdowns when there’s a .028% risk of death.

Well said. Unfortunately it seems that there are people who are addicted to lock downs, restrictions and media attention. They seem to ignore the far greater and long term damage of such lockdowns.

It will be nice to see queues for car parks again, people commuting to work, not having to wear a mask while shopping, having a game of golf followed by a meal with friends, a random pint in town while reading the Christmas bumper edition of the RTÉ guide, heading to the airport on holidays without guilt and fear of RTÉ following you around with a camera.

eagle eye wrote: »

There's lots and lots of people far happier in lockdown because it's less likely they'll pick up the virus.
Nobody ever talks about the stress and trauma they suffer from when everything is open and numbers are rising.

People's circumstances likely to dictate how they respond. A young family likely to have a much different attitude than an older more vulnerable family. Most people probably realise this. I don't think anyone feels comfortable in a pandemic for a number of reasons.

marno21 wrote: »

The first group being vaccinated are those at risk of severe covid-19 resulting in potential hospitalisation and death. Should these people be protected from hospitalisation and death, spread of the virus becomes a secondary issue.

Jonathan Van Tam reckons that the first wave of vaccinations will eliminate 99% of deaths. That makes this virus a completely different kettle of fish. Even Ireland’s relatively high CFR of 2.8% becomes 0.028% if 99% of deaths are eliminated. You don’t have lockdowns when there’s a .028% risk of death.

Lockdowns aren't just determined by deathes. They're determined mostly by load on and availability of of the health system. Vaccines should reduce the load. However, we don't yet know vaccine efficacy in various vulnerable groups and demographics. We'll only know early Feb for sure if older groups aren't being protected by the vaccine. Then you have to consider the person who got the vaccine today, needs a second dose on schedule and only one month after that second dose are they considered immune. That's what's been tested so far. Maybe that latter window will shorten to a week. Maybe it won't. We'll just have to wait and see.

It won't be until at least February before anyplace can really start planning about return to normality. Make no mistake though we are getting closer to that point.

marno21 wrote: »

The first group being vaccinated are those at risk of severe covid-19 resulting in potential hospitalisation and death. Should these people be protected from hospitalisation and death, spread of the virus becomes a secondary issue.

Jonathan Van Tam reckons that the first wave of vaccinations will eliminate 99% of deaths. That makes this virus a completely different kettle of fish. Even Ireland’s relatively high CFR of 2.8% becomes 0.028% if 99% of deaths are eliminated. You don’t have lockdowns when there’s a .028% risk of death.

Not to be cynical but I really can't imagine rules like face masks being dropped even if it was spreading solely in the young population and IFR became lower than flu

giveitholly wrote: »

Yeah I don't know one family or person who are happy to be in lockdown

Nothing stopping them staying in lockdown for as long as they want. Have no visitors, stay within 5km of their house etc etc.