COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Russman · 08-12-2020 10:58AM

ixoy wrote: »

Would they have to use their own supply though in such cases rather than the EU supply already bought?

Yes, the EU offered but the UK opted out of being part of the EU purchasing arrangement. It wasn't Brexity enough.

seamus · 08-12-2020 11:01AM

Pasteur. wrote: »

Can't see the US having the authority to requisition vaccines from Belgium

The US doesn't give a sh1t about soveriegnty or jurisdiction.

They would threaten Pfizer with massive fines or potentially even executives with criminal charges if they refused to bring stocks back to the US. The US likes to falsely believe that companies with a US HQ are "American" and therefore have a duty to be loyal to America.

Now, when it all shakes out, nothing would ultimately happen. Supreme courts and international courts would find Pfizer well within their rights to refuse to import stuff produced outside of the US, and fines and criminal charges declared a massive overstep in executive power.

But that wouldn't stop a mad scramble initially to try and avert a major incident.

ACitizenErased · 08-12-2020 11:02AM

There's not a hope in hell the US are going taking vaccines from Belgium, that's not gonna happen. The EU would have a coronary.

Pasteur. · 08-12-2020 11:04AM

seamus wrote: »

The US doesn't give a sh1t about soveriegnty or jurisdiction.

They would threaten Pfizer with massive fines or potentially even executives with criminal charges if they refused to bring stocks back to the US. The US likes to falsely believe that companies with a US HQ are "American" and therefore have a duty to be loyal to America.

Now, when it all shakes out, nothing would ultimately happen. Supreme courts and international courts would find Pfizer well within their rights to refuse to import stuff produced outside of the US, and fines and criminal charges declared a massive overstep in executive power.

But that wouldn't stop a mad scramble initially to try and avert a major incident.

Yes they do what they want and are hypocritical about it

See it in so many areas

seamus · 08-12-2020 11:06AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's not a hope in hell the US are going taking vaccines from Belgium, that's not gonna happen. The EU would have a coronary.

No, of course not. But that doesn't mean the lunatic in charge of the asylum won't try.

lawrencesummers · 08-12-2020 11:20AM

It’s a pity Trump didn’t take the actual Virus as serious as the Vaccine.

There were plenty of reports in the early days of PPE being taken by the US that was destined for elsewhere.

Trump only knows one way to operate and that’s to Bully, when he can do it now in the name of the Greatest county in the world he will have plenty of support.

Marhay70 · 08-12-2020 12:14PM

Trump's alter ego BoJo has no qualms about breaking agreements with other countries so I doubt the elder lemon would too concerned.
However, Executive Order or not I can't see the administration in the US following through on this, Trump is in his death throes never, I hope, to recover, and saner heads can see that despite all their power, the US still needs friends around the world to look after their interests.

hmmm · 08-12-2020 12:21PM

I don't think that the US would go as far as try and seize supplies, and probably what we'll see is something vague wrapped in a US flag but with no real impact. However it's a risk.

Gael23 · 08-12-2020 12:25PM

To be honest I think the UK just want to be first. Today they ha r a picture of the first person in the world receiving the vaccine on UK soil

ACitizenErased · 08-12-2020 12:27PM

Gael23 wrote: »

To be honest I think the UK just want to be first. Today they ha r a picture of the first person in the world receiving the vaccine on UK soil

And fair play to them for it

seamus · 08-12-2020 12:30PM

They selected an Irish person to take the risk of having the first dose though :pac:

Marhay70 · 08-12-2020 12:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

And fair play to them for it

Why do you say that? They had little input in its development, all they did really was to bite the bullet on floating it.

ACitizenErased · 08-12-2020 12:52PM

Marhay70 wrote: »

Why do you say that? They had little input in its development, all they did really was to bite the bullet on floating it.

I think any country who leads the way in vaccinations should be commended. There's very little to lose - any potential negatives are heavily outweighed by positives.

08-12-2020 12:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't think that the US would go as far as try and seize supplies, and probably what we'll see is something vague wrapped in a US flag but with no real impact. However it's a risk.

If anything it could slow down production in the US. It may be moved elsewhere if the manufacturers can't guarantee the ability to export.

Indestructable · 08-12-2020 01:15PM

Does anybody know how the UK are tracking who has received the vaccine? Is it linked to their PPS equivalent or a register or something else? Will they call back the patient on the 21st day for the 2nd jab? Did a bit of googling but couldn't find much.

That logistical challenge is where I fear the HSE may fall short.

Momentous day and can't help feeling a bit jealous looking across the border but we will get there shortly.

Duke of Url · 08-12-2020 01:20PM

Indestructable wrote: »

Does anybody know how the UK are tracking who has received the vaccine? Is it linked to their PPS equivalent or a register or something else? Will they call back the patient on the 21st day for the 2nd jab? Did a bit of googling but couldn't find much.

That logistical challenge is where I fear the HSE may fall short.

Momentous day and can't help feeling a bit jealous looking across the border but we will get there shortly.

When you get First Vac you receive a card stating the Date and Time of your second Vac

Marhay70 · 08-12-2020 01:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think any country who leads the way in vaccinations should be commended. There's very little to lose - any potential negatives are heavily outweighed by positives.

Sorry, can't agree with you there, it was simply an attempt at political recovery by a PM who has made such a huge fcuk up of the pandemic to date, but we'll argue the toss elsewhere.

marno21 · 08-12-2020 01:26PM

Here we go:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1336283483799490561

Looking forward to this getting underway. I am in the 2nd from last group so it will be sometime before I see one, but the comfort and security for those in the initial groups once they receive this and the population as a whole starts getting it will be wonderful.

SusanC10 · 08-12-2020 01:43PM

marno21 wrote: »

Here we go:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1336283483799490561

Looking forward to this getting underway. I am in the 2nd from last group so it will be sometime before I see one, but the comfort and security for those in the initial groups once they receive this and the population as a whole starts getting it will be wonderful.

Which Category do Adults with Special Needs (living with an elderly Parent) fit ?

iamwhoiam · 08-12-2020 01:45PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Which Category do Adults with Special Needs (living with an elderly Parent) fit ?

Those over 70 and people with special medical needs I think

SusanC10 · 08-12-2020 01:46PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Those over 70 and people with special medical needs I think

OK so they would be in the same Category then. The over 70s Parent and the Special Needs Adult Child.

Russman · 08-12-2020 01:49PM

marno21 wrote: »

Here we go:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1336283483799490561

Looking forward to this getting underway. I am in the 2nd from last group so it will be sometime before I see one, but the comfort and security for those in the initial groups once they receive this and the population as a whole starts getting it will be wonderful.

I can see every cnut and his mother trying to get into the 6th category - "Key Workers (to be further refined)"

I wish they'd give an estimate for the time they think it will take each group to be vaccinated though. I know there's still no vaccine approved and supply is hard to predict just now, but I'd love to know how long they think each category might take or how many people might be in each category. 15 categories - does that mean 15 months ? 12 months ? 6 months ?

Still, great to think there's some sort of an end in sight, even if its still some time away.

Sweet.Science · 08-12-2020 01:49PM

We should start seen the benefits of this pretty quickly when rolled out.

Hard to believe the end game is here

Gael23 · 08-12-2020 01:54PM

Im under 65 on immune suppressant medication but I fall into categoty 7.

Number 6will be highly abused

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 01:55PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

We should start seen the benefits of this pretty quickly when rolled out.

Hard to believe the end game is here

Yeah, realistically once the first few bands are done there's little need for restrictions, it'll cover an awful lot of people.

seamus · 08-12-2020 01:55PM

Around the middle of page 2 is where we'll start seeing the move towards the full end of restrictions. That'll be 3 months or so.

If it seems like a lot of categories to get through before we get to the "end", remember that it's not about categories it's about the number in each. The first 2 pages make up about 50% of the population, the last page is 50%.

The "All adults who don't fit in any other category" is the largest single category.

funnydoggy · 08-12-2020 01:58PM

Second from last myself too. Parents, parents in law and girlfriend are up near the very start.

Normality will resume momentarily, please hold...

Russman · 08-12-2020 01:58PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Number 6will be highly abused

Absolutely. Unless the further refining of it leads to a proper definition.
For the sake of fairness you'd hope it needs more than a letter written to yourself saying you're essential, like in the lockdowns !

snotboogie · 08-12-2020 01:58PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Im under 65 on immune suppressant medication but I fall into categoty 7.

Number 6will be highly abused

My friend is in the same position, Im very surprised that group is so far down the list.

Mervyn Skidmore · 08-12-2020 01:59PM

Sorry if it's been asked before but will it be possible to pay for it if you need it sooner than when your category comes up?

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