General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

07-12-2020 09:37PM

TheadoreT wrote: »

They were in a Champions league final and finished higher than United in 3 of the last 5 years and higher this year. It's not knee jerk in the slightest that they're a fair bit better.

They didn't finish above United in the most recent season (barely finished 7th right) and are currently 5 points ahead having played a game more while United have had CL games against the best team in France and the 2nd best in Germany. I don't think there's much between them but Spurs were able to upgrade their supporting cast this Summer whereas United need another main piece.

PsychoPete · 07-12-2020 09:38PM

A bit of tough decision there, I thought contact was definitely outside the box. Assume it was a penalty because it continued into the box?

Corholio · 07-12-2020 09:38PM

That penalty looks very harsh. Nudge by March looks outside and it's very difficult to say for certain anyway. 3 minutes of looking at it shows that. Loads of free kicks are given outside even if it 'continues' inside the box. Not great by VAR, ref doesn't even look at it either.

07-12-2020 09:41PM

Excellent VAR call.

Foul carried on into the box and penalty given, that's as good a use of the process as I've seen.

Corholio · 07-12-2020 09:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Excellent VAR call.

Foul carried on into the box and penalty given, that's as good a use of the process as I've seen.

Loads of fouls 'carry on' and aren't given, it can't be random every time. 3 minutes of looking at it isn't clear and obvious either as ref gave a free kick. Going against it's own directives. A lot of the time it's not the decisions as much, but it's random use.

Cypher_sounds · 07-12-2020 09:45PM

PsychoPete wrote: »

A bit of tough decision there, I thought contact was definitely outside the box. Assume it was a penalty because it continued into the box?

Initial contact was made outside the box but is making contact with a player not allowed? No it is. However the foul was done inside the box.

Cypher_sounds · 07-12-2020 09:46PM

Corholio wrote: »

That penalty looks very harsh. Nudge by March looks outside and it's very difficult to say for certain anyway. 3 minutes of looking at it shows that. Loads of free kicks are given outside even if it 'continues' inside the box. Not great by VAR, ref doesn't even look at it either.

The nudge was fine but he actually fouled him afterwards. Surely that’s obvious.

Corholio · 07-12-2020 09:48PM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

The nudge was grand but he actually fouled home afterwards.

The 'foul' is pretty relative though, which millisecond does the foul occur etc?, on the VAR replays they were clearly looking at where the nudge happened.

DVDM93 · 07-12-2020 09:48PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Good to Ings back on the bench for Southampton after that knee injury looked so bad.

& a goal on his return, great to see.

07-12-2020 09:51PM

Corholio wrote: »

Loads of fouls 'carry on' and aren't given, it can't be random every time. 3 minutes of looking at it isn't clear and obvious either as ref gave a free kick. Going against it's own directives. A lot of the time it's not the decisions as much, but it's random use.

Dont disagree with you on a lot of that, tbf

Kyle Walker Peters just contrived, at a goal up and three minutes to play, to try to take on three opponents and leave his team three on three on a break.

Jesus but I don't miss that guy one bit. Jose has a hard enough job teaching Aurier the basics, the two lads together might just have scuppered us.

Cypher_sounds · 07-12-2020 09:51PM

Corholio wrote: »

The 'foul' is pretty relative though, which millisecond does the foul occur etc?, on the VAR replays they were clearly looking at where the nudge happened.

I think that’s where that numpty commentator Alan Smith was crapping on about but the var guys obviously saw the foul happen in the box/on the line.

Fitz* · 07-12-2020 09:52PM

Corholio wrote: »

Loads of fouls 'carry on' and aren't given, it can't be random every time 3 minutes of looking at it isn't clear and obvious either as ref gave a free kick. Going against it's own directives. A lot of the time it's not the decisions as much, but it's random use.

I think that's the biggest gripe with VAR. Too much randomness and inconsistencies.

One game there is a tackle where the defender clearly wins the ball first and then a small follow through on the man after and it's deemed a foul. But the next game there is a stud of a boot barely touching the ball and doesn't deviate the path of the ball before fouling a player and it's deemed not a foul.

Brighton got a penalty last week via VAR intervening to find a foul in the box with a small follow through on a kick and Saturday night the exact same incident happened with Chelsea and Leeds and VAR chose not to intervene.

As you said, in previous games the ruling is 'the initial foul is outside the box so not a penalty' and then tonight it's 'foul carried though into the box'.

Too much inconsistencies. I think I could accept a lot more of these decisions given if they were consistently given in every game. The worst thing is that it's often the same referees who are changing their mind on the same incidents.

07-12-2020 09:52PM

Corholio wrote: »

The 'foul' is pretty relative though, which millisecond does the foul occur etc?, on the VAR replays they were clearly looking at where the nudge happened.

Would only say that a defender giving the ref or VAR the option to pick the last three seconds of a sustained foul as opposed to the first three seconds gets zero sympathy from me

07-12-2020 09:54PM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

I think that’s where that numpty commentator Alan Smith was crapping on about but the var guys obviously saw the foul happen in the box/on the line.

The man shows his limitations- his co-commentator explained twice about "if the foul continues into the box" being the rule, and he still went on about "initial contact" for ten minutes.

Very poor standard of analysis from him tbh

Corholio · 07-12-2020 09:55PM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

I think that’s where that numpty commentator Alan Smith was crapping on about but the var guys obviously saw the foul happen in the box/on the line.

I just don't think you can overrule the ref after looking at 20+ replays when a correction has to be clear and obvious, and the ref not even looking at the monitor. VAR seems to be stringent about some things of it's system and half assed about others.

07-12-2020 09:56PM

Granted the delay was silly.

As soon as I saw it replayed once it was clear to me

Corholio · 07-12-2020 09:59PM

It's not that clear to me really. Why are some fouls given outside when contact starts outside and continues in, and some not? That one tonight looked nothing different of ones given 100 times outside.

07-12-2020 10:01PM

Yeah youve said that but im not sure that "they often get that wrong" is a good case against getting something right, tbh

Agent Coulson · 07-12-2020 10:02PM

VAR being consistent in its inconsistency.

Cypher_sounds · 07-12-2020 10:07PM

Funny watching Carragher just say there that VAR has exposed some officials. Didn’t he get exposed by a video too.

Fitz* · 07-12-2020 10:13PM

citytillidie · 07-12-2020 10:18PM

Week 11 Highlights
Villa V Newcastle Postponed

Burnely V Everton

Man City V Fulham

West Ham V Man Utd

Chelsea V Leeds

WBA V Palace

Sheff Utd V Leicester

Spurs V Arsenal

Liverpool V Wolves

Brighton V Southampton

citytillidie · 07-12-2020 10:19PM

24 Spurs Liverpool
23
22 Chelsea
21 Leicester
20 Southampton
19 Man Utd
18 Man City
17 West Ham Everton Wolves
16 Palace
15 Villa
14 Newcastle Leeds
13 Arsenal
12
11
10 Brighton
9
8
7 Fulham
6 Burnley WBA
5
4
3
2
1 Sheff Utd

DVDM93 · 07-12-2020 10:31PM

citytillidie wrote: »

24 Spurs Liverpool
23
22 Chelsea
21 Leicester
20 Southampton
19 Man Utd
18 Man City
17 West Ham Everton Wolves
16 Palace
15 Villa
14 Newcastle Leeds
13 Arsenal
12
11
10 Brighton
9
8
7 Fulham
6 Burnley WBA
5
4
3
2
1 Sheff Utd

Thank you citytillidie.

We appreciate your excellent work.

As a Liverpool supporter it's great to be joint top of the league with Spurs despite our never ending injury list, covid cases aplenty & more than a few questionable VAR decisions going against us, certainly a lot more compared to other teams.

Onwards & upwards from here.

YNWA.

DVDM93.

DVDM93 · 07-12-2020 10:45PM

DVDM93 wrote: »

Do the referees themselves know the rules? Genuine question. It's all well & good establishing rules but it's no good if the people applying them can't do just that.

Let's take David Coote for example.

He was dropped from VAR duty in the Liverpool V Leicester game after his less than satisfactory performance in the Merseyside Derby.

He was then appointed referee for the Man United V West Brom game. If he wasn't deemed up to standard to be on VAR duty for the Liverpool V Leicester game then how is he seen as being up to the standard required for the United game?

Anyway, roll on said match & David Coote is once again the centre of controversy for West Brom's penalty & was deservedly lambasted after the game by none other than Manchester United Football Club's legend & current BT Sports pundit, Rio Ferdinand.

That's not all.

Previously Coote was dropped from Premier Leagie duty for the Lo Celso red card incident in the the Chelsea V Spurs game.

He was also at the centre of another controversial decision when he chose not to overturn a Kevin De Bruyne handball in the Leicester game.

I'm sure there are more.

So again I ask, do the officials themselves actually know the rules?

KDB was quoted after a game saying he doesn't know the rules anymore, so maybe the same applies to the likes of David Coote also.

Do we have officials that just aren't very good at their jobs or are the rules just too much for them to keep up with & too difficult to apply?

https://twitter.com/RealKevinPalmer/status/1336073407859994626?s=20

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-12-2020 02:24AM

citytillidie wrote: »

24 Spurs Liverpool
23
22 Chelsea
21 Leicester
20 Southampton
19 Man Utd
18 Man City
17 West Ham Everton Wolves
16 Palace
15 Villa
14 Newcastle Leeds
13 Arsenal
12
11
10 Brighton
9
8
7 Fulham
6 Burnley WBA
5
4
3
2
1 Sheff Utd

If Sheff Utd don't start winning some points soon, this is going to be one very long table...

gimli2112 · 08-12-2020 05:26AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

If Sheff Utd don't start winning some points soon, this is going to be one very long table...

lucky it's not last year, our scroll buttons wouldn't make it

greenspurs · 08-12-2020 07:48AM

tom1ie wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What United players would get into the spurs squad?

TitianGerm wrote: »

De Gea, AWB, Maguire, Fernandez would all start. Rashford would be close on the LW position.

If Pogba ever bothered his arse he'd probably get into most teams but his attitude is a joke.

the same players that were destroyed 1-6 a few weeks back ???? :rolleyes: wow ...

TitianGerm · 08-12-2020 08:01AM

greenspurs wrote: »

the same players that were destroyed 1-6 a few weeks back ???? :rolleyes: wow ...

Yep. No good based off one game. Useless they are.

Whereas Aurier is Cafu incarnate. I'm not sure how anyone can argue he is a better player than AWB looking at both their times in the PL.

tom1ie · 08-12-2020 08:59AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

De Gea is a better keeper than Loris. Mcguire is also a better CB than Dier. He's not worth £80m but that doesn't mean he's not better.

You could play Rashford, Kane and Son up top.

Ah now stop. McGuire is not a better CB than dier, that’s just messing.
Lloris and de gea- there’s nothing in it at the moment, both capable of outstanding saves and distribution both capable of howlers.
Rashford wouldn’t get in to the spurs team ahead of Kane or son.
AWB is probably the only one but on aurier current form (never thought I’d be saying that by the way) aurier starts.

Sorry forgot about Fernandez, but who do you drop for him?

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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