Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

Polar101 · 04-12-2020 09:14PM

screamer wrote: »

unfortunately the daily updates will continue till New Year to try to get people to alter their behaviour to curb Covid spread. When that fails and we end up with enhanced lockdown in mid January, the daily updates swill continue to tell us how the trends are going.

Once the whole thing is over, and the cases drop to 0 - I insist on daily updates for at least a month.

0 swabs, 0% positivity
0 deaths, 0 cases
0 in hospital, 0 in ICU

I really want to see that reported daily for a while.

spookwoman · 04-12-2020 09:22PM

majcos · 04-12-2020 09:26PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Once the whole thing is over, and the cases drop to 0 - I insist on daily updates for at least a month.

0 swabs, 0% positivity
0 deaths, 0 cases
0 in hospital, 0 in ICU

I really want to see that reported daily for a while.

Won’t the day of the first of those reports be a brilliant day. Cannot wait.

Should celebrate with a meal with as many people from as many households as I like in a restaurant with tables placed tightly together, drinks after in a jam packed pub with people hugging each other and dancing to loud live music, followed by a house party with karaoke just so I can pass a microphone freely around from person to person.

Some of these things I didn’t even like before 2020 but because I cannot do them now, I want to do them all.

Deeper Blue · 04-12-2020 09:30PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Agree, think the virus is gonna love the Christmas time.

My point was that personifying the virus is utterly moronic.

Wombatman · 04-12-2020 09:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its not that it wasn't spotted, these things happen and can take a few days to fix even if they seem simple. Thats just the beast of IT.

I would prefer if they gave more precise details on 'IT glitch'. I worked in a few places where the auld IT glitches were used to mask incompetence.

What is the nature of the problem? When was the problem identified? When did the problem first occur? Why didn't it occur prior to that? What days were underreported because of it? Has the problem been completely solved?

Pity we the journos at the daily presser are such a bunch of dolts.

04-12-2020 09:38PM

majcos wrote: »

Death from a bus accident is absolutely not counted as a Covid death. There has to be a clinically compatible illness for a death to be counted as a Covid death.

Trauma is one the examples of a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to Covid even if person has tested Covid positive. Neither will a death be counted if a person died some time after initial recovery from Covid although Covid may have resulted in weakened state or a complication which contributed to later demise.

Undercounting of cases was initially a considerable issue due to lack of availability of testing but this is less of a problem now. Asymptomatic cases are still being missed but the low positivity rate with thousands of tests being performed every day is because more people with just mild symptoms or no symptoms are being captured now.

Not sure how you can compare number of hospital admissions/ICU admissions with Covid due to previous years when it didn’t exist in previous years. Cannot compared overall hospitalizations/ICU numbers either as many hospitalizations were cancelled this year because of impact of Covid on hospitals. Similarly overall number of ICU admissions were impacted by cancellation of surgeries.

I never realised so many people got killed after being hit by a bus

Xenji · 04-12-2020 09:39PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

I hate the way people keep saying things like "the virus LOVES crowded places", and other such phrases. A virus is not capable of emotion and thought. Stop speaking to us as if we are infants.

Until some people stop acting like infants I see no issue with it.

Happydays2020 · 04-12-2020 10:04PM

This is brilliant. Ventilate homes over Christmas

https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1334638682414985217?s=21

ElJeffe · 04-12-2020 10:09PM

Barbers shop on main street Dundrum there about an hour ago as i walked past. No windows open and windows all fogged up because of no ventilation. Place was full also with most lads wearing no masks. This is the kind of idiots that will ruin it for everyone and result in another lockdown in January.

Deeper Blue · 04-12-2020 10:14PM

I don't think a lockdown (i.e. Level 5) is inevitable in January. Many seem to be suggesting that it's a foregone conclusion.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2020 10:19PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Barbers shop on main street Dundrum there about an hour ago as i walked past. No windows open and windows all fogged up because of no ventilation. Place was full also with most lads wearing no masks. This is the kind of idiots that will ruin it for everyone and result in another lockdown in January.

That's impressive eyesight if you can see through fogged up windows.

spookwoman · 04-12-2020 10:34PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That's impressive eyesight if you can see through fogged up windows.

You must never have seen fogged up windows. Ability to see through it depends on the level of condensation, lighting and how close you are to the window.

Beasty · 04-12-2020 10:59PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I don't think a lockdown (i.e. Level 5) is inevitable in January. Many seem to be suggesting that it's a foregone conclusion.

It entirely depends on whether people have learned their lessons through this pandemic. It's clear that when restrictions have been relaxed previously too many people took it as a signal to drop their guard. It's only natural that people want to get a bit nearer to "normality" but that really is not an option until we have proper control, and that is not going to happen until we have a vaccine rolled out for many of the "higher risk" categories.

Alas we need to continue taking care over what we do and how we do it. If we do that there's a good chance we can avoid the level 5 lockdown we have seen. The other reason that lockdown was introduced was to give us a decent chance of more "freedom" over Christmas. Once we get over the holiday season it's probably going to be as much a case of keeping the overall position reasonably stable pending getting the vaccines deployed.

caveat emptor · 04-12-2020 11:00PM

majcos wrote: »

Won’t the day of the first of those reports be a brilliant day. Cannot wait.

Should celebrate with a meal with as many people from as many households as I like in a restaurant with tables placed tightly together, drinks after in a jam packed pub with people hugging each other and dancing to loud live music, followed by a house party with karaoke just so I can pass a microphone freely around from person to person.

Some of these things I didn’t even like before 2020 but because I cannot do them now, I want to do them all.

Very funny. I agree, that would be brilliant. Watch out for the flu or noravirus though.

Arghus · 04-12-2020 11:06PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I don't think a lockdown (i.e. Level 5) is inevitable in January. Many seem to be suggesting that it's a foregone conclusion.

I hope you are right, but I'll be very surprised if we manage to avoid it.

I don't think it'll take much from where we currently are and then multiplying the effects of the next few weeks and particularly Christmas week itself. I don't see how we can avoid peak October level numbers again. People, understandably, want to live and meet people normally but I think the outcome of that is inevitably really high case numbers once again in a few weeks.

niallo27 · 04-12-2020 11:06PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Barbers shop on main street Dundrum there about an hour ago as i walked past. No windows open and windows all fogged up because of no ventilation. Place was full also with most lads wearing no masks. This is the kind of idiots that will ruin it for everyone and result in another lockdown in January.

Could you not have stayed home and shopped online, its people like you that ruin it for everyone. You couldn't go one month without going out into crowded shopping centres.

speckle · 04-12-2020 11:07PM

Spookwomans chart...did I count right 13 public hospitals with no critical care cases... starting to get a lot of zeros.. hope it stays that way.

Happydays2020 · 04-12-2020 11:08PM

Beasty wrote: »

It entirely depends on whether people have learned their lessons through this pandemic. It's clear that when restrictions have been relaxed previously too many people took it as a signal to drop their guard. It's only natural that people want to get a bit nearer to "normality" but that really is not an option until we have proper control, and that is not going to happen until we have a vaccine rolled out for many of the "higher risk" categories.

Alas we need to continue taking care over what we do and how we do it. If we do that there's a good chance we can avoid the level 5 lockdown we have seen. The other reason that lockdown was introduced was to give us a decent chance of more "freedom" over Christmas. Once we get over the holiday season it's probably going to be as much a case of keeping the overall position reasonably stable pending getting the vaccines deployed.

The behavioural scientists said that after the first lock down many people took a period of weeks before they adjusted to normal behaviour. I think the cautionary messages from Tony H will influence behaviour. I know that my very sociable wider family have decided that things will be very limited this year.

niallo27 · 04-12-2020 11:09PM

Everyone knows another lockdown is coming so people are enjoying themselves while they can, a half arsed lockdown in January is manageable.

RebelButtMunch · 04-12-2020 11:09PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Barbers shop on main street Dundrum there about an hour ago as i walked past. No windows open and windows all fogged up because of no ventilation. Place was full also with most lads wearing no masks. This is the kind of idiots that will ruin it for everyone and result in another lockdown in January.

That place always looks like a sauna. I was in grafton barbers on lesson st and they insisted the door stay open. Good on them

eagle eye · 04-12-2020 11:11PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Could you not have stayed home and shopped online, its people like you that ruin it for everyone. You couldn't go one month without going out into crowded shopping centres.

He walked past a Barber shop. Where did he say he was out shopping?

Deeper Blue · 04-12-2020 11:24PM

Arghus wrote: »

I hope you are right, but I'll be very surprised if we manage to avoid it.

I don't think it'll take much from where we currently are and then multiplying the effects of the next few weeks and particularly Christmas week itself. I don't see how we can avoid peak October level numbers again. People, understandably, want to live and meet people normally but I think the outcome of that is inevitably really high case numbers once again in a few weeks.

Granted I would probably class it as fairly likely, but not inevitable

spookwoman · 04-12-2020 11:36PM

speckle wrote: »

Spookwomans chart...did I count right 13 public hospitals with no critical care cases... starting to get a lot of zeros.. hope it stays that way.

28 Public Hospitals listed 14 with 0 CC cases
29 Public hospitals for general cases

ElJeffe · 04-12-2020 11:36PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Could you not have stayed home and shopped online, its people like you that ruin it for everyone. You couldn't go one month without going out into crowded shopping centres.

Eh i was walking home from work. I haven't been in any shopping centres. Well done on missing the point though

ElJeffe · 04-12-2020 11:39PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I don't think a lockdown (i.e. Level 5) is inevitable in January. Many seem to be suggesting that it's a foregone conclusion.

It's inevitable because of the Irish attitude of ah sure it'll be grand. Irish people are unable to act maturely enough when left to their own devices hence our recent lockdown rules.

John O.Groats · 04-12-2020 11:39PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Everyone knows another lockdown is coming so people are enjoying themselves while they can, a half arsed lockdown in January is manageable.

What is your definition of a half arsed lockdown?

ElJeffe · 04-12-2020 11:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That's impressive eyesight if you can see through fogged up windows.

Fogged up i said, not blacked out. You know there is a difference?

ElJeffe · 04-12-2020 11:42PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Everyone knows another lockdown is coming so people are enjoying themselves while they can, a half arsed lockdown in January is manageable.

Tell that to the businesses that will go bust.

leanin2019 · 04-12-2020 11:42PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Everyone knows another lockdown is coming so people are enjoying themselves while they can, a half arsed lockdown in January is manageable.

Arghus wrote: »

I hope you are right, but I'll be very surprised if we manage to avoid it.

I don't think it'll take much from where we currently are and then multiplying the effects of the next few weeks and particularly Christmas week itself. I don't see how we can avoid peak October level numbers again. People, understandably, want to live and meet people normally but I think the outcome of that is inevitably really high case numbers once again in a few weeks.

Is a lockdown really inevitable? It was just about palatable for enough of the public second time round.

3rd time round, when they have (potentially) started or about to start vaccinating people?

Would be a much harder sell.

I guess we'll see a month from now how its looking on all fronts

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2020 11:47PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Fogged up i said, not blacked out. You know there is a difference?

I know the difference just impressed with the amount of detail you could observe through a fogged up window whilst moving. As I said impressive.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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