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  • #102
    psychozeb
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭psychozeb


    OOnegative wrote: »
    No there not, you originally replied to a post about Vaporfly Flyknit(don’t think they are even a runner) and presumed you meant Flyknit FK’s. Some steal at €80 if they were Vaporflys!!!

    No they are a real runner


  • #103
    psychozeb
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭psychozeb


    psychozeb wrote: »
    No they are a real runner

    These are them


  • #104
    OOnegative
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    psychozeb wrote: »
    No they are a real runner

    My bad, you mean the Vaporfly 4% Flyknit, the Rolls Royce version of the shoes(women’s) I bought.


  • #105
    psychozeb
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭psychozeb


    OOnegative wrote: »
    My bad, you mean the Vaporfly 4% Flyknit, the Rolls Royce version of the shoes(women’s) I bought.

    Yeah, exactly. I like the zoom fly too as a training shoe but never owned a pair of the Flyknit ones. Can't go wrong at price you paid for them.


  • #106
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    I'm so frickin confused at this stage.....


  • #107
    OOnegative
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    I'm so frickin confused at this stage.....

    I’ve a habit of doing that to some threads....... Should just shut up!!!


  • #108
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    OOnegative wrote: »
    I’ve a habit of doing that to some threads....... Should just shut up!!!

    So you bought the zoomfly flyknit?


  • #109
    OOnegative
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    So you bought the zoomfly flyknit?

    I think so.......

    Edit: Yes I did!!


  • #110
    and still ricky villa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭and still ricky villa


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    I'm so frickin confused at this stage.....

    The bit that confuses me is people going onto Amazon and spending €600ish on ZoomX Vaporfly Next% instead of the already mental €275 from Nike?

    (Being very careful to get my descriptions right :) )


  • #111
    [Deleted User]
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/sep/30/eliud-kipchoge-denies-platform-nike-shoes-offer-london-race-advantage

    I have a pair and yes they absolutely give me faster times. I guess they are fair as long as everyone else wear them!

    I wear them sparingly. I have them just over 12 months and probably worn them 4-5 times. I wore them for 2 Parkruns on New Years day just gone and then again about 2 weeks ago just for a cheeky 60min run.

    I have run them same 10k route probably 14-15 times in the past 4 months in Clifton 6 Hokas. It is flat and on a cycle path. With the Next% I ran it on average 10-15 seconds per km quicker and without feeling it. In fact I ran a 44min 10 KM which included the 10 minutes of a w/u and c/d.

    Rather than a standard Wednesday evening steady 60 min run if I had rocked up to a 10k roadrace with gameface on I would have obliterated my 10k PB down to 40min.

    Yes of course you still have to get and run but anyone who says they do not give an advantage is in dream land    .

    I think that I was the first to post on this forum about these years ago when the first version was just released and the there was much scoffing and mentions of cow manure about claims that they improve times :)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=105265164


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  • #112
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    and still ricky villa wrote: »
    The bit that confuses me is people going onto Amazon and spending €600ish on ZoomX Vaporfly Next% instead of the already mental €275 from Nike?

    (Being very careful to get my descriptions right :) )

    Do people actually buy those on amazon? Seems mental to me.


  • #113
    All or nothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭All or nothing


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Never tried the Turbo, but i have tried fly 3. And id agree they are bit in the heavy side. But i couldn't wear them as anf every day trainer. Found them good for tempo, faster pace stuff, but they felt very "clunky" (if thats a word) for everyday runs.
    Each to their own I suppose

    Thanks for the replies. I’ve been looking a bit more at different brands and I like the look of the Saucony Endorphins. The only thing that’s putting me off them is the fact all the reviews say the grip is very poor on them and not suitable on wet roads. I’m looking at the Adidas Boston 9s and they seem to be a good all road shoe. I’ve always gone with Nike as I wear orthotics and I find they fit well in them.


  • #114
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    All or nothing wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies. I’ve been looking a bit more at different brands and I like the look of the Saucony Endorphins. The only thing that’s putting me off them is the fact all the reviews say the grip is very poor on them and not suitable on wet roads. I’m looking at the Adidas Boston 9s and they seem to be a good all road shoe. I’ve always gone with Nike as I wear orthotics and I find they fit well in them.

    Personally I wouldn't consider the Boston 9 up there with the endorphin, zoomfly or turbo. I have a pair. Wouldn't say I'm the biggest fan. Nike and Adidas are worlds apart in terms of what you feel from the road too so you'd need to consider that.


  • #115
    psychozeb
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭psychozeb


    All or nothing wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies. I’ve been looking a bit more at different brands and I like the look of the Saucony Endorphins. The only thing that’s putting me off them is the fact all the reviews say the grip is very poor on them and not suitable on wet roads. I’m looking at the Adidas Boston 9s and they seem to be a good all road shoe. I’ve always gone with Nike as I wear orthotics and I find they fit well in them.

    Not sure of the Boston 9's but I have had previous versions and found them a very tight fit.other than that I liked them.


  • #116
    demfad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    adrian522 wrote: »
    I mean the Nike shoes may give one athlete a 5% improvement and another athlete a 3% improvement, so Athlete A wins the race, but is that because of better physiology, better training or a better adaption to these new shoes? We don't know, which is the issue I have with all this.

    Advances in shoe technology in the past were very gradual so didn't really affect the results nearly as much as this latest generation of shoes does.

    The good thing now is at least there are some regulations and also there are competitors to Nike bringing out their own versions.

    The question that must be asked first is what exactly does the carbon plate do?

    Is it de facto an extremely well designed spring?
    If so do runners with less elasticity or less efficient feet benefit more from these shoes? If so then is this shoe an unfair aid to this type of runner?

    Is there anywhere where the constraints for legal running shoes is defined I wonder?


  • #117
    Ceepo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    demfad wrote: »
    The question that must be asked first is what exactly does the carbon plate do?

    Is it de facto an extremely well designed spring?
    If so do runners with less elasticity or less efficient feet benefit more from these shoes? If so then is this shoe an unfair aid to this type of runner?

    Is there anywhere where the constraints for legal running shoes is defined I wonder?

    My understanding is that the carbon plate is stability. The energy dispersion rate is from the pebax foam. Because of the stack height the foam they need to add some stability


  • #118
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    There is a good documentary on the bbc iplayer on Oscar Pistorius aka Blade Runner.
    I only saw the 1st episode but it is a great watch.

    I would hazard a guess that today's carbon plate shoes borrow a little knowledge from the testing that went into his blade which the authorities carried out before banning him from competing as it was found the blade was giving him more speed at the end of his 400m when other runners would naturally be tiring.

    The big thing is whether these shoes if worn for interval sessions would allow your body to recover quicker. I wonder are a lot of the elite guys wearing them for races only.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2020/documentary-series-oscar-pistorius-iplayer

    Having watched a small bit of it so far you can only be impressed by the drive and hunger of Pistorius as he competed. There is also an incredible clip of how a kid was born in Iceland with the same condition as him and he went up to Iceland to meet the family and developed a great bond with them after further visits and calls.

    From the link above it says it is coming to BBC2 after first being a boxset on the iplayer.


  • #119
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I've heard they gloss over the whole murdering his girlfriend thing, not sure how much I want to watch that documentary to be honest.


  • #120
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    glasso wrote: »
    I think that I was the first to post on this forum about these years ago when the first version was just released and the there was much scoffing and mentions of cow manure about claims that they improve times :)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=105265164


    I knocked 25 mins off my marathon time with them a few months back (down to 3:12). I trained all year in Hoka Clifton 6 and only put on the Next% the day of the marathon. I figure they are worth 5-10 second per km extra.

    My last 7 kms splits were robotic. The slowest 4:33 and the fastest 4:29 so only 4 seconds difference between 35-42km. Even sprinted over the last 200m in 4:12 p/km (well that's a sprint for me at that stage). Absolutely no calf cramping which is always my big fear so they defo help with the recovery.

    I actually PBd my 10k, 10 mile and HM during the race.

    Now, I will disclose that I was never so prepared and trained in my life and I was always going to PB but the question is: Would I have achieved the same result in my Hokas? While it is academic I honestly don't believe so. I would definitely have tired and/or cramped up in the last 5km.

    I felt fine afterwards. Walked away as if I had just completed a bog standard local 10k. In fact I have finished HMs feeling a lot worse.


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  • #121
    4Ad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭4Ad


    partyguinness wrote: »
    I knocked 25 mins off my marathon time with them a few months back (down to 3:12). I trained all year in Hoka Clifton 6 and only put on the Next% the day of the marathon. I figure they are worth 5-10 second per km extra.

    My last 7 kms splits were robotic. The slowest 4:33 and the fastest 4:29 so only 4 seconds difference between 35-42km. Even sprinted over the last 200m in 4:12 p/km (well that's a sprint for me at that stage). Absolutely no calf cramping which is always my big fear so they defo help with the recovery.

    Now, I will disclose that I was never so prepared and trained in my life and I was always going to PB but the question is: Would I have achieved the same result in my Hokas? While it is academic I honestly don't believe so. I would definitely have tired and/or cramped up in the last 5km.

    I have only ran 3 official marathons, the last race was in Seville earlier this year where I wore the Vapourfly, I got a PB (2.53) and I really do think the shoes made a huge difference, especially the last 10km..

    I can remember the first 5 run I did in them, I felt like the Bionic man running in high heels !!
    But you could really feel the difference..


  • #122
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    4Ad wrote: »
    I have only ran 3 official marathons, the last race was in Seville earlier this year where I wore the Vapourfly, I got a PB (2.53) and I really do think the shoes made a huge difference, especially the last 10km..

    I can remember the first 5 run I did in them, I felt like the Bionic man running in high heels !!
    But you could really feel the difference..


    Yes that is also my experience. Even if you are doing a normal say 60 min aerobic run with the usual effort all feels fine and dandy but then bang...your watch is flagging up 4:00 min per km splits...Jesus Christ..it's only supposed to be a steady run not a 5k time trial!


  • #123
    Cona
    Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Cona


    Going to pick up a pair soon, is the general consensus that the Vapourflys are preferred over the Alphaflys? Any reason why?


  • #124
    Murph_D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,489 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    partyguinness wrote: »
    I knocked 25 mins off my marathon time with them a few months back (down to 3:12). I trained all year in Hoka Clifton 6 and only put on the Next% the day of the marathon. I figure they are worth 5-10 second per km extra.

    My last 7 kms splits were robotic. The slowest 4:33 and the fastest 4:29 so only 4 seconds difference between 35-42km. Even sprinted over the last 200m in 4:12 p/km (well that's a sprint for me at that stage). Absolutely no calf cramping which is always my big fear so they defo help with the recovery.

    I actually PBd my 10k, 10 mile and HM during the race.

    Now, I will disclose that I was never so prepared and trained in my life and I was always going to PB but the question is: Would I have achieved the same result in my Hokas? While it is academic I honestly don't believe so. I would definitely have tired and/or cramped up in the last 5km.

    I felt fine afterwards. Walked away as if I had just completed a bog standard local 10k. In fact I have finished HMs feeling a lot worse.

    What marathon was that?


  • #125
    iancairns
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭iancairns


    Did a lockdown Marathon last Saturday. 2 laps of Harolds Cross to Tymon and as far east as Nutgrove and back again. Did it in the Alphafly's. Knocked 21 min s off my pb which was 3.11 and did it on the day in 2:50:50. Weather was amazing. The runners are incredible, they undoubtably make you quicker but the greatest thing about running with them is the recovery time after the run. I was in unbelievable nick after race. Didn't feel like i did 26m on concrete. It was my 6th marathon was by far least stressful on body. Very little lactic next day where in years passed I'd be struggling to walk downstairs. Incredible shoes


  • #126
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    iancairns wrote: »
    Did a lockdown Marathon last Saturday. 2 laps of Harolds Cross to Tymon and as far east as Nutgrove and back again. Did it in the Alphafly's. Knocked 21 min s off my pb which was 3.11 and did it on the day in 2:50:50. Weather was amazing. The runners are incredible, they undoubtably make you quicker but the greatest thing about running with them is the recovery time after the run. I was in unbelievable nick after race. Didn't feel like i did 26m on concrete. It was my 6th marathon was by far least stressful on body. Very little lactic next day where in years passed I'd be struggling to walk downstairs. Incredible shoes


    Pretty much the exact same post race experience. I actaully had a 2 hours walk home after and I felt grand.


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  • #127
    iancairns
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭iancairns


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Pretty much the exact same post race experience. I actaully had a 2 hours walk home after and I felt grand.

    Thats mad, just reading your comments above. Identical experience and even PB gains! Yeah I had a religious 4 month plan that followed to tee. And we also have the same shoes for the mileage days. Also have the Hoka clifton 6 for the long miles on concrete. Thinking of my next runner now. The Alpha's are really only for special occasions :D


  • #128
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    iancairns wrote: »
    Thats mad, just reading your comments above. Identical experience and even PB gains! Yeah I had a religious 4 month plan that followed to tee. And we also have the same shoes for the mileage days. Also have the Hoka clifton 6 for the long miles on concrete. Thinking of my next runner now. The Alpha's are really only for special occasions :D




    I just picked up a new pair (the Cllifton 6 had 1100km on them since June but they have held up really well) so went for Clifton 7...better the devil and all that...that's Clifton 4, 5, 6 and 7. Yeah the Next% purely for race days.



    Well done on the massive PB....sub 3hr club.


  • #129
    Ceepo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    iancairns wrote: »
    Did a lockdown Marathon last Saturday. 2 laps of Harolds Cross to Tymon and as far east as Nutgrove and back again. Did it in the Alphafly's. Knocked 21 min s off my pb which was 3.11 and did it on the day in 2:50:50. Weather was amazing. The runners are incredible, they undoubtably make you quicker but the greatest thing about running with them is the recovery time after the run. I was in unbelievable nick after race. Didn't feel like i did 26m on concrete. It was my 6th marathon was by far least stressful on body. Very little lactic next day where in years passed I'd be struggling to walk downstairs. Incredible shoes

    Congrats on the pb . Great running especially when you consider it wasn't in a race..

    But just FYI, lactate level drop to normal resting values usually within 60 minutes of exercise. So you certainly shouldn't have much the day after.
    Muscle soreness the day after or DOMS is not caused by lactate or lactic acid


  • #130
    SuspectZero
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭SuspectZero


    Ceepo wrote: »
    Congrats on the pb . Great running especially when you consider it wasn't in a race..

    But just FYI, lactate level drop to normal resting values usually within 60 minutes of exercise. So you certainly shouldn't have much the day after.
    Muscle soreness the day after or DOMS is not caused by lactate or lactic acid

    Lactate wont even be an issue during a marathon because the event is run at an intensity below Aerobic Threshold or OBLA(onset of blood lactate accumulation). This basically means that any production of lactate in the blood stream is cleared as fast as its produced and doesnt rise above resting levels.


  • #131
    Ceepo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    SuspectZero wrote: »
    Lactate wont even be an issue during a marathon because the event is run at an intensity below Aerobic Threshold or OBLA(onset of blood lactate accumulation). This basically means that any production of lactate in the blood stream is cleared as fast as its produced and doesnt rise above resting levels.

    My post was to highlight to the OP that lactate was the reason from their muscle soreness post marathon.

    Many people are still wrongly under the impression that lactate or lactic acid is the route if all evil.

    And of course running a marathon should be an aerobic based event, however this will depend on the aerobic condition of the athlete, many athletes will exceed the lactate buffering capacity in the later stages due to cumulative fatigue and glycogen depletion


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  • #132
    SuspectZero
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭SuspectZero


    Ceepo wrote: »
    My post was to highlight to the OP that lactate was the reason from their muscle soreness post marathon.

    Many people are still wrongly under the impression that lactate or lactic acid is the route if all evil.

    And of course running a marathon should be an aerobic based event, however this will depend on the aerobic condition of the athlete, many athletes will exceed the lactate buffering capacity in the later stages due to cumulative fatigue and glycogen depletion

    Yes, lactate levels will rise towards the end of the race but not to a point of any significance where it actually affects performance as levels will never get high enough even in less developed runners.

    And I agree with what you were saying in your OP btw, I was just tracking on another point that lactate is a non issue in a marathon in the first place even before you get to how long it takes to clear which you pointed out.


  • #133
    Dudda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Dudda


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/06/kibiwott-kandie-breaks-58-minutes-for-half-marathon-wearing-new-shoe-technology

    So now these prototype shoes take another turn and are allowed in all competitions with the exception of the World Championships and Olympics


  • #134
    MY BAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Not many races but Adidas seems to be making a mark. Looks like the Vaporfly is more popular than the Alphafly too


  • #135
    py
    Registered Users Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭py


    Review of a few of the alternatives to Nike's offerings.


  • #136
    Cona
    Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Cona


    "The Running Channel" is fairly wishy-washy channel to be honest. Im sure by the time the Olympics comes around every brand will have their own form on carbon plate shoe and it will come to user preference. I have always been a fan of Nike shoes for running so will naturally sway towards the Vapourfly unless there was a lot of evidence of another shoe being faster.
    I do think Nike has a huge jump on all other brands with research and development here though so its unlikely that Adidas os Asics will make something faster...


  • #137
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Cona wrote: »
    "The Running Channel" is fairly wishy-washy channel to be honest. Im sure by the time the Olympics comes around every brand will have their own form on carbon plate shoe and it will come to user preference. I have always been a fan of Nike shoes for running so will naturally sway towards the Vapourfly unless there was a lot of evidence of another shoe being faster.
    I do think Nike has a huge jump on all other brands with research and development here though so its unlikely that Adidas os Asics will make something faster...

    I think some of the other brands are being smart though. Adidas, Saucony, Asics equivalent all much cheaper than the Next% so the question I asked myself was will I see the benefit of the extra 60 or 70 quid by buying the Next%. Did plenty of research and everything leaned me towards the "cheaper" Endorphin Pro.


  • #138
    omicron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭omicron


    Cona wrote: »
    I do think Nike has a huge jump on all other brands with research and development here though so its unlikely that Adidas os Asics will make something faster...

    Going by some recent results adidas might have made something faster already!


  • #139
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Cona wrote: »
    I do think Nike has a huge jump on all other brands with research and development here though so its unlikely that Adidas os Asics will make something faster...

    Kibiwott Kandie just took more than 30 seconds of the half marathon while wearing Adidas.

    Canadian runner Malindi Elmore did a treadmill test that indicated that the new Saucony Endorphin Pro worked better for her than the Vaporfly.


  • #140
    Cona
    Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Cona


    TFBubendorfer wrote: »

    Canadian runner Malindi Elmore did a treadmill test that indicated that the new Saucony Endorphin Pro worked better for her than the Vaporfly.

    I read that story and to be honest, I took that more along the lines of she needed sponsorship and Saucony was the only company willing to take her on.
    Then threw out a story line of why she is no longer running in Nikes (note her last few marathons in VFs) and its a win win for both.

    Value for money is one thing...Like would you consider paying an extra 100 euro for a pair of shoes if it only meant 30 seconds improvement in a marathon?


  • #141
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Cona wrote: »
    would you consider paying an extra 100 euro for a pair of shoes if it only meant 30 seconds improvement in a marathon?

    Personally I wouldn't, no. Especially since a 30 seconds improvement would still leave me 30 minutes short of what I used to run but even back in my day I really don't think I would have spent 100 quid for 30 seconds.

    Having said that, if I were at the top end then 30 seconds could easily make the difference of winning a marathon or qualifying for championships, in which case I would not even hesitate forking out.


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  • #142
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Cona wrote: »
    I read that story and to be honest, I took that more along the lines of she needed sponsorship and Saucony was the only company willing to take her on.
    Then threw out a story line of why she is no longer running in Nikes (note her last few marathons in VFs) and its a win win for both.

    That's definitely a valid way of reading that story but there is no arguing about the result in Valencia last Sunday. Nike are no longer the only game in town. Which is a good thing, unless you own Nike.


  • #143
    Cona
    Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Cona


    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    That's definitely a valid way of reading that story but there is no arguing about the result in Valencia last Sunday. Nike are no longer the only game in town. Which is a good thing, unless you own Nike.

    Yep true, Adidas, Saucony and Hoka and possibly even Brooks as well have definitely caught up to them. Will be interesting to see how it fairs out in consumers minds, Nike definitely have a strong marketing team.
    I was at the last Dungarvan 10 road race and I couldn't get over the fact that almost the whole front half of the field was wearing Nike Vapourflys. You had to look hard to find someone wearing anything else.


  • #144
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    In all the reviews I've read and videos ive watched it seems like the only two real competitors to the Nikes are endorphin pro and Adidas adios pro


  • #145
    Duanington
    Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    In all the reviews I've read and videos ive watched it seems like the only two real competitors to the Nikes are endorphin pro and Adidas adios pro

    I'm sure we'll see more options from both companies in 2021 (I hope so anyway)


  • #146
    TFBubendorfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    In all the reviews I've read and videos ive watched it seems like the only two real competitors to the Nikes are endorphin pro and Adidas adios pro

    I get the exact same impression. But you know, that's two real competitors where a couple of months ago there were none.

    Is it too much to hope for that competition will lead to lower prices?


  • #147
    MY BAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Nike and Adidas deliberately only release small batches of each shoe to keep the price up


  • #148
    ewc78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 480 ✭✭ewc78


    MY BAD wrote: »
    Nike and Adidas deliberately only release small batches of each shoe to keep the price up

    The Next percent has been readily available for the last good while.


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    iancairns
    Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭iancairns


    ewc78 wrote: »
    The Next percent has been readily available for the last good while.

    Nike have been good, (albeit crazy prices) they release a Eliot Kipchogie colouring of them even yesterday on website. So no issue getting sizes. Tbh I would've got the Endorphins last July but was so sick of waiting for stock. It was ridiculously hard. Poor form Saucony


  • #150
    ewc78
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 480 ✭✭ewc78


    iancairns wrote: »
    Nike have been good, (albeit crazy prices) they release a Eliot Kipchogie colouring of them even yesterday on website. So no issue getting sizes. Tbh I would've got the Endorphins last July but was so sick of waiting for stock. It was ridiculously hard. Poor form Saucony

    I bought the Endorphin Speeds during lockdown in The Run Hub. Absolutely love them.


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  • #151
    echat
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭echat


    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    That's definitely a valid way of reading that story but there is no arguing about the result in Valencia last Sunday. Nike are no longer the only game in town. Which is a good thing, unless you own Nike.

    These new shoes are going to destroy athletics. Performance enhancing drugs that would give you a smaller advantage are banned but performance enhancing shoes are allowed because shoe companies are making the money. I see the new shoes as legalised cheating. Combine that with TUE and I would prefer to watch a Grade D race. Four runners under the previous half-marathon World record.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/55206158


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