COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

04-12-2020 05:21PM

If you were going the route of having excess supplies of vaccines compared with distribution would it not be preferable to hire these private companies to distribute the vaccines to the high-priority (vulnerable) population, rather than allowing anyone to purchase one?

At this point money just isn't an issue, because the alternative to efficient distribution of the vaccine is far more expensive.

Steve F · 04-12-2020 05:21PM

I've been thinking(never a good thing for me)
If they said here in Ireland that if you haven't been vaccinated for Covid19 you can't travel overseas I reckon you would see a massive increase in people agreeing to be vaccinated.

I heard "rumours" that some counties won't allow people into their country without documentation that they have had the vaccine.
Spain maybe?

PCeeeee · 04-12-2020 05:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you get 50,000 doses and the uptake amongst the highest priority group is only 20,000 of these, you move to the next priority group. Not the lad who wants to skip the queue with a help of a few quid.

I think that's where capitalism starts slipping into dystopia.

In fairness Johnny, any kind of medical treatment can be bought and I mean any if you have the cash. Rightly or wrongly I can't see this being any different.

Stark · 04-12-2020 05:38PM

Apparently Europol are warning member states that criminals are waiting to capitalize on that desire by selling fake vaccines to people.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1334894010343763972

Sky King · 04-12-2020 05:40PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you get 50,000 doses and the uptake amongst the highest priority group is only 20,000 of these, you move to the next priority group. Not the lad who wants to skip the queue with a help of a few quid.

I think that's where capitalism starts slipping into dystopia.

You didn't understand my post. Let me explain again by way of hypothetical scenario:

Theres (say) 50,000 a week coming into the country. The govt rollout infrastructure is maxed out at 25,000 a week being administered through their various inefficiencies. This leaves the balance just sitting there in fridges.

Should we:

A: Leave it sitting there to appease people such as yourself who are apparently afraid of a Randian dystopia.
B: Sell it, knowing that it will get into the population faster
?

stephenjmcd · 04-12-2020 05:43PM

Stark wrote: »

Apparently Europol are warning member states that criminals are waiting to capitalize on that desire by selling fake vaccines to people.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1334894010343763972

Sounds like the usual dont go buying medication off the Internet stuff. Should be common sense for most people, if there's a website offering covid vaccines posted to your door its too good to be true.

polesheep · 04-12-2020 05:44PM

Sky King wrote: »

You didn't understand my post. Let me explain again by way of hypothetical scenario:

Theres (say) 50,000 a week coming into the country. The govt rollout infrastructure is maxed out at 25,000 a week being administered through their various inefficiencies. This leaves the balance just sitting there in fridges.

Should we:

A: Leave it sitting there to appease people such as yourself who are apparently afraid of a Randian dystopia.
B: Sell it, knowing that it will get into the population faster
?

C: Pay the people who were going to administer it privately to administer it to the general public free of charge.

Sky King · 04-12-2020 05:46PM

polesheep wrote: »

C: Pay the people who were going to administer it privately to administer it to the general public free of charge.

That's reasonable. Do you think they will though ?

polesheep · 04-12-2020 05:47PM

Sky King wrote: »

That's reasonable. Do you think they will though ?

I think you are getting ahead of yourself.

Pasteur. · 04-12-2020 05:52PM

Stark wrote: »

Apparently Europol are warning member states that criminals are waiting to capitalize on that desire by selling fake vaccines to people.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1334894010343763972

Routine though , that's what they do

JimmyVik · 04-12-2020 06:20PM

Steve F wrote: »

I've been thinking(never a good thing for me)
If they said here in Ireland that if you haven't been vaccinated for Covid19 you can't travel overseas I reckon you would see a massive increase in people agreeing to be vaccinated.

I heard "rumours" that some counties won't allow people into their country without documentation that they have had the vaccine.
Spain maybe?

I just got an email from work saying at some unspecified date next year, you wont be allowed to work for them if you havent got the vaccine.

smurfjed · 04-12-2020 06:21PM

Bahrain has become the 2nd country to approve the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

PCeeeee · 04-12-2020 06:39PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

I just got an email from work saying at some unspecified date next year, you wont be allowed to work for them if you havent got the vaccine.

Without going into detail can you share what kind of place it is? Multinational etc.? I don't wish to pry but I am interested.

JimmyVik · 04-12-2020 06:42PM

PCeeeee wrote: »

Without going into detail can you share what kind of place it is? Multinational etc.? I don't wish to pry but I am interested.

Multinational.

jackboy · 04-12-2020 06:56PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Multinational.

If you are permanent I doubt they could fire you for not taking the vaccine.

PCeeeee · 04-12-2020 06:58PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

Multinational.

Thanks Jimmy, am the same myself that's why I was asking. Nothing has been said to us at all so far.

drunkmonkey · 04-12-2020 06:58PM

That's not good news..

Moderna coronavirus vaccine offers immunity for at least 3 months
https://www.foxnews.com/health/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-3-months

stephenjmcd · 04-12-2020 07:00PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's not good news..

Moderna coronavirus vaccine offers immunity for at least 3 months
https://www.foxnews.com/health/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-3-months

How is it not good news ? Its literally been 3 months since the second injection, so theres still a good immune response. What else did you expect them to say?

Deeper Blue · 04-12-2020 07:00PM

I think those who take the vaccine will be at some sort of advantage in terms of travel, entry to events and possibly employment. I don't know what this will entail but I believe this will be the case.

People that think otherwise are in denial in my opinion.

hmmm · 04-12-2020 07:00PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's not good news..

Moderna coronavirus vaccine offers immunity for at least 3 months
https://www.foxnews.com/health/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-3-months

That's how long it has been since the trial started. Do you work for RTE by any chance?

circadian · 04-12-2020 07:01PM

JimmyVik wrote: »

I just got an email from work saying at some unspecified date next year, you wont be allowed to work for them if you havent got the vaccine.

Yeah I'd be surprised if that's not retracted or amended in the near future, if you're in the EU anyway.

Deeper Blue · 04-12-2020 07:03PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's not good news..

Moderna coronavirus vaccine offers immunity for at least 3 months
https://www.foxnews.com/health/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-3-months

Did you read beyond the headline? They took it 3 months ago and they're still immune. Therefore immunity lasts at least 3 months. Could you enlighten us as to how that's not good news please?

Micky 32 · 04-12-2020 07:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's not good news..

Moderna coronavirus vaccine offers immunity for at least 3 months
https://www.foxnews.com/health/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-3-months

Do you ever read the links you post? . It says “ at least 3 months” meaning immunity is still there after 3 months. It could last a year, 2 years for all we know.

drunkmonkey · 04-12-2020 07:06PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

How is it not good news ? Its literally been 3 months since the second injection, so theres still a good immune response. What else did you expect them to say?

I'm with you now Tayto, throws up another question though how could we have any clue of the long term effects. It'll hardly be approved.

stephenjmcd · 04-12-2020 07:11PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm with you now Tayto, throws up another question though how could we have any clue of the long term effects. It'll hardly be approved.

It'll hardly be approved?? Ah come off it.

drunkmonkey · 04-12-2020 07:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It'll hardly be approved?? Ah come off it.

Seriously if they don't even know how long it lasts how can they approve, it screams of no long term research.

Micky 32 · 04-12-2020 07:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It'll hardly be approved?? Ah come off it.

Wishful thinking me thinks .

hmmm · 04-12-2020 07:16PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Seriously if they don't even know how long it lasts how can they approve, it screams of no long term research.

It's not going to be much use finding out it's safe in 5 years time.

Trials are ongoing, regulators are reviewing the data, so far it is proving much safer than getting the virus.

polesheep · 04-12-2020 07:16PM

El Sueño wrote: »

I think those who take the vaccine will be at some sort of advantage in terms of travel, entry to events and possibly employment. I don't know what this will entail but I believe this will be the case.

People that think otherwise are in denial in my opinion.

That might seem plausible in the present, but in the future Covid will be a thing of the past. We will move on from this in every respect.

Deeper Blue · 04-12-2020 07:20PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm with you now Tayto, throws up another question though how could we have any clue of the long term effects. It'll hardly be approved.

Yes a 94% effective vaccine won't be approved. That makes perfect sense.

Ffs

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