Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

IAMAMORON · 03-12-2020 08:22PM

Don't umbrella me please, I feel subjugated through genocidal mental prerogative, your societal norms are confronting my ability to elaborate.

I have been farmed.

the purple tin · 03-12-2020 08:22PM

Is queer not offensive anymore?
On BBC they were advertising a Queer-mas special.

the purple tin · 03-12-2020 08:55PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Yeah this story about the countryside being racist has surfaced for a second time after the BBC got a lashing for it the first time around. Guess the BBC though it was a good one so they'd repeat it. Anything that highlights racism is a good thing cuz it's not talked about enough.

There was a black farmer on BBC saying it is a shame there weren't more like him. Farms tend to pass down through generations or are financially way out of most people's reach.

His answer was for the govt to start giving farms to black people gratis. :rolleyes:

Dr. Bre · 03-12-2020 09:04PM

the purple tin wrote: »

There was a black farmer on BBC saying it is a shame there weren't more like him. Farms tend to pass down through generations or are financially way out of most people's reach.

His answer was for the govt to start giving farms to black people gratis. :rolleyes:

This happened in Zimbabwe. Didn’t end well

AllForIt · 03-12-2020 09:38PM

the purple tin wrote: »

His answer was for the govt to start giving farms to black people gratis. :rolleyes:

Yes of course, that comes as no surprise to me. A lot of ppl in the UK support repatriations for slavery. Personally I think if you weren't a slave yourself you not owed a thing. I couldn't care less about anyone's ancestry including my own. My history began the day I was born afaic.

Morathi · 03-12-2020 09:52PM

If reparations ever come to pass, we'll be cashing in an 800 year old cheque from the British. :pac:

Barna77 · 03-12-2020 11:12PM

Alejandro68 wrote: »

And this pronouns nonsense is just silly,IMO.

Hear hear!

.anon. · 03-12-2020 11:29PM

Alejandro68 wrote: »

And this pronouns nonsense is just silly,IMO.

It also doesn't do anyone any harm whatsoever. It's quite bizarre that people seem to get so het up about it.

Alejandro68 · 03-12-2020 11:40PM

.anon. wrote: »

It also doesn't do anyone any harm whatsoever. It's quite bizarre that people seem to get so het up about it.

But it does really as they are pushing it to the extremes, as if we all should bow down to it.There was none of that nonsense in my day. And as someone gay I do worry about their mental health. Because they are taking things way beyond the extremes for their own agendas. IMO that doesn't truly represent the gay community.

.anon. · 03-12-2020 11:45PM

Alejandro68 wrote: »

But it does really as they are pushing it to the extremes, as if we all should bow down to it.There was none of that nonsense in my day. And as someone gay I do worry about their mental health. Because they are taking things way beyond the extremes for their own agendas. IMO that doesn't truly represent the gay community.

Putting 'He, him, they' or whatever in their Twitter profile isn't extreme. At worst, it's stating the obvious for around 99% of the population.

Alejandro68 · 03-12-2020 11:54PM

.anon. wrote: »

Putting 'He, him, they' or whatever in their Twitter profile isn't extreme. At worst, it's stating the obvious for around 99% of the population.

IMO it is extreme for them to have to state pronouns to define themselves. Why the need to publicly state that rubbish without having an agenda? There is no need for that. This whole global identity is just a farce. And the more society caters to this movement the worse it will become.IMO.

storker · 03-12-2020 11:56PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Don't umbrella me please, I feel subjugated through genocidal mental prerogative, your societal norms are confronting my ability to elaborate.

I have been farmed.

Would it help if I ran this through Google Translate?

04-12-2020 12:07AM

.anon. wrote: »

It also doesn't do anyone any harm whatsoever. It's quite bizarre that people seem to get so het up about it.

Actually the entire trans movement is one of the most extreme ideologies in history, and there is plenty of harm done and more to come.

IAMAMORON · 04-12-2020 02:07AM

storker wrote: »

Would it help if I ran this through Google Translate?

You are overcompromising my status, please respect my foundational boundaries.

Strumms · 04-12-2020 02:19AM

the purple tin wrote: »

There was a black farmer on BBC saying it is a shame there weren't more like him. Farms tend to pass down through generations or are financially way out of most people's reach.

His answer was for the govt to start giving farms to black people gratis. :rolleyes:

So a white dude who works for years to establish a 40 acre farm, xx employees, machinery, animals, buildings... all on the back of 60 hours a week, huge bank loans and sacrifices...

But certain folks want farms ‘given’ to black people ?

If a white dude drives a Mercedes... should Mercedes be given to others, black, Hispanic ?

World has gone mad...zero personal responsibility seems to be the goal.... I’m seen with a Rolex... give them to others ? What logic is that ?

Paddygreen · 04-12-2020 03:19AM

Zimbabwe went from one of the best agricultural producers in Africa to one of the most dysfunctional. Can’t exactly remember what the drop in crop yields over the last two decades is, but it’s massive. So much so that the government there is asking the white farmers that they exiled to come back.

ILoveYourVibes · 04-12-2020 03:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually the entire trans movement is one of the most extreme ideologies in history, and there is plenty of harm done and more to come.

LGBT ....is one of the most creative communities though.

There is a reason hollywood is so liberal.

The left creates culture ....its why it became so influential ...

The right doesn't get it ....

The culture and art of the right ..its always the out going one ....like the rat pack ...the dying culture.

Kids listen to trans djs not politics

04-12-2020 08:46AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The left creates culture ....its why it became so influential ...

The right doesn't get it ....

You talk some pony.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Kids listen to trans djs not politics

Don’t ever stop!

But really do.

Cordell · 04-12-2020 08:49AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55173605

silverharp · 04-12-2020 09:54AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

LGBT ....is one of the most creative communities though.

There is a reason hollywood is so liberal.

The left creates culture ....its why it became so influential ...

The right doesn't get it ....

The culture and art of the right ..its always the out going one ....like the rat pack ...the dying culture.

Kids listen to trans djs not politics

why has it all gone a bit sh1t? music has gone downhill, movies too.

and erm, not much happening in the art world, I was hoping this was the work of some rescue elephants but sadly not

https://twitter.com/artnet/status/1325931692612259841

04-12-2020 12:21PM

Strumms wrote: »

World has gone mad...zero personal responsibility seems to be the goal.... I’m seen with a Rolex... give them to others ? What logic is that ?

Africa has seen huge amounts of foreign aid sent to them over the course of the last 70 years, so they're bound to see Western nations as some kind of cash cow. So when they arrive here, they see everything that the natives have, and want it.. "You have so much!"

There is little appreciation for having to work, save, etc to build up your own life. And, to be fair, westerners have previously been quick to give groups whatever they needed... the throwing of money at a problem, hoping that it'll simply go away.

The difference is that the 'problem' has come to our shores, and won't be going away... but that won't stop people from thinking to throw money at the problem, and for that problem to expect this kind of behavior to continue. After all, it's happened for so long. They've simply come to the source, and they'll likely get a lift that most natives never manage to receive.

Wibbs · 04-12-2020 01:01PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

LGBT ....is one of the most creative communities though.

Historically not so much the T, mostly the G.

There is a reason hollywood is so liberal.

Hahahhahaha. Oh wait. You're serious.
Hollywood is insert personal opinion here all about what puts bums on seats and always has been. The same "liberal" Hollywood heavily promoted "American family values" for decades and was way behind European cinema as far as actual liberalism was concerned. Hell US TV wouldn't even show a toilet in bathroom scenes well into the 1970's and married couples apparently slept in separate single beds. Never mind that there were quite the number of gay men and women in the business who had to keep up the straight front. And still do. It's facade for the most part. Sure they'll stick in women and gay characters from time to time, but latterly that's all about adding to the audience. Lately because of the growing Chinese market they'll add Chinese characters to flics and tone down stuff that might put them off. Liberal my arse.

The left creates culture ....its why it became so influential ...

The right doesn't get it ....

Eh no. Creatives create art which influences culture and creatives tend to be those who rip up the current rulebook and come up with something fresh. They can be "right" or "left" wing depending on the time and place. Chopin, TS Elliot, Wagner, Roald Dahl, and Liszt were anti semites and racists.

The culture and art of the right ..its always the out going one ....like the rat pack ...the dying culture.

Tell that to the Weimar republic.

Hector Savage · 04-12-2020 01:14PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

LGBT ....is one of the most creative communities though.

There is a reason hollywood is so liberal.

The left creates culture ....its why it became so influential ...

The right doesn't get it ....

The culture and art of the right ..its always the out going one ....like the rat pack ...the dying culture.

Kids listen to trans djs not politics

twaddle.

Absolute TWADDLE

Hector Savage · 04-12-2020 01:14PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Historically not so much the T, mostly the G.
Hahahhahaha. Oh wait. You're serious.
Hollywood is insert personal opinion here all about what puts bums on seats and always has been. The same "liberal" Hollywood heavily promoted "American family values" for decades and was way behind European cinema as far as actual liberalism was concerned. Hell US TV wouldn't even show a toilet in bathroom scenes well into the 1970's and married couples apparently slept in separate single beds. Never mind that there were quite the number of gay men and women in the business who had to keep up the straight front. And still do. It's facade for the most part. Sure they'll stick in women and gay characters from time to time, but latterly that's all about adding to the audience. Lately because of the growing Chinese market they'll add Chinese characters to flics and tone down stuff that might put them off. Liberal my arse.

Eh no. Creatives create art which influences culture and creatives tend to be those who rip up the current rulebook and come up with something fresh. They can be "right" or "left" wing depending on the time and place. Chopin, TS Elliot, Wagner, Roald Dahl, and Liszt were anti semites and racists.

Tell that to the Weimar republic.

Shhhh Wibbs with your logic and facts...

Strumms · 04-12-2020 01:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Africa has seen huge amounts of foreign aid sent to them over the course of the last 70 years, so they're bound to see Western nations as some kind of cash cow. So when they arrive here, they see everything that the natives have, and want it.. "You have so much!"

There is little appreciation for having to work, save, etc to build up your own life. And, to be fair, westerners have previously been quick to give groups whatever they needed... the throwing of money at a problem, hoping that it'll simply go away.

The difference is that the 'problem' has come to our shores, and won't be going away... but that won't stop people from thinking to throw money at the problem, and for that problem to expect this kind of behavior to continue. After all, it's happened for so long. They've simply come to the source, and they'll likely get a lift that most natives never manage to receive.

1000%.

When you for a lifetime or the majority of it, are just used to having been given, over having earned... it’s probably a headfûck to get told... “ it’s on YOU now, take responsibility for yourself like others, work, earn”.

Money that they are enabled with comes from everyone’s hard work, here and elsewhere...

On my deductions column on my, sorry each of our payslips, is tax.... to go into a pot to ‘give away’ or help or whatever...or enable those who pay into the pot, to be facilitated... health, Gardai, roads, transport, and the multitude of other services and supports that IRISH people who contribute or contributed to deserve to benefit from...

Although the capacity of the state is limited because our bill for direct provision in the last 20 years is ? 1.3 billion... of OUR money...

Need inpatient rehab as an Irish taxpayer , from a brain injury, stroke, gb syndrome... forget it, not forthcoming.... but, over the last 20 years, successive governments have spent 1.3 billion of our money, on direct provision.

Be like walking into a car dealership, ordering a 2021 Nissan Qashqai...paid the money...went to collect it.. to be told... “sorry, we’ve lodged your money, but given your car to Mr C over there, they hadn’t got one, wanted one, needed one, needed it more actually, so we are spending your hard earned money to give it to them... away with you”

Wibbs · 04-12-2020 01:29PM

silverharp wrote: »

why has it all gone a bit sh1t? music has gone downhill, movies too.

and erm, not much happening in the art world

Much of it is down to the generational "art/music/culture was better in my day", but there is the argument that there has been some sliding going on.

I would say that since modernism lost its lustre(at different times in different art forms) there is the sense of what's next and where do we go from here? It was a lot easier to be fresh and innovative in music in 1960 that it is to be in 2020*.

In the visual arts this is even more in play. Between say the building of the Eiffel Tower and the Pompidou Centre in Paris the visual arts exploded into the moderne. Stuff pretty much never seen before and innovation was rapid and widespread. Nearly every year brought a new movement and there were usually a few at the same time. Today it's very hard to create an artwork in "modern art" that stands on its own with no explanation that isn't an extension, even a copy of what went before in 20th century modernism. About the only art form that is new since the 1970's is the uptake of the gallery only installation, though even there it has progenitors. The areas of crafts is still pretty strong mind you.

Cinema has changed too, but TV drama has gotten miles better than it was. TV series we take for granted these days we simply wouldn't have seen 30, even 20 years ago.

*though it was either the Beatles or the Stones who were turned down by one record executive because "guitar groups were old hat".

04-12-2020 01:34PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Hahahhahaha. Oh wait. You're serious.
Hollywood is insert personal opinion here all about what puts bums on seats and always has been. The same "liberal" Hollywood heavily promoted "American family values" for decades and was way behind European cinema as far as actual liberalism was concerned. Hell US TV wouldn't even show a toilet in bathroom scenes well into the 1970's and married couples apparently slept in separate single beds. Never mind that there were quite the number of gay men and women in the business who had to keep up the straight front. And still do. It's facade for the most part. Sure they'll stick in women and gay characters from time to time, but latterly that's all about adding to the audience. Lately because of the growing Chinese market they'll add Chinese characters to flics and tone down stuff that might put them off. Liberal my arse.

There's also the side of Hollywood outside of the movies they make. Weinstein wasn't a freak occurrence. Hollywood, right from the beginning, was an industry heavily focused on sex, drugs, and success at all costs. People traded their bodies for opportunities, and that kind of attitude was widespread. You get the odd movie which seeks to romanticize it all but, anyone with an ounce of intelligence, can see the seediness that is part of it's backbone.

And then, there is the conformist attitude to Hollywood, which as a social/career group, seeks to force others to behave as they want them to be. Hollywood is incredibly political, and cancel culture was embraced long before it became a thing for us lesser mortals on social media. If you didn't conform to the group think of Hollywood, you got canceled, and pushed into the background. Sure, some actors/directors could skirt the edges due to their popularity, and success, but they're a distinct minority considering the sheer numbers of people involved in the overall industry (and I suspect these outliers, have made their own concessions to be allowed that supposed freedom)

Nah. Hollywood is liberal only as far as the sound of the word. Beyond that, they have little interest in promoting its values, except as represented in movies, but they're an incredibly hypocritical body. Thankfully, society and the world is starting to recognise it.

IAMAMORON · 04-12-2020 01:39PM

Just to add on Hollywood, if anything cancel culture is used as a whipping stick by the studios to manouevre the selling potential of its' bigger names whilst also using online media as a catalyst to eliminate dead wood as required.

Hollywood is the epitome of slime and depravity.

growleaves · 04-12-2020 01:41PM

Much of it is down to the generational "art/music/culture was better in my day", but there is the argument that there has been some sliding going on.

Sliding off a cliff. The real arts are in decline and TV isn't an art form. Inserting rote political content into everything is part of this decline.

04-12-2020 01:47PM

growleaves wrote: »

Sliding off a cliff. The real arts are in decline and TV isn't an art form. Inserting rote political content into everything is part of this decline.

I disagree. It's a medium that has caused the production of extremely valuable pieces of art which, in many ways, has had more profound impact on people, than traditional art forms. While I've seen a lot of paintings over my lifetime, I've seen far more TV, and the shows which appeal to me, have had a greater impact on my life, than the Mona Lisa, or whatever. We can recognise good TV productions, because they stand out from the dross... and that makes it an art form.

Remember Spitting Image? How about Star Trek, or Monty Python? All of which wouldn't have happened without TV, and the world would have been much poorer for it.

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Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users