Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

francois · 02-12-2020 05:03PM

Howard Beale wrote: »

...enforced vaccines

where?

BnB · 02-12-2020 05:18PM

Howard Beale wrote: »

I don't like what's going on incessant lockdowns, enforced vaccines etc etc to me it's incredibly draconian and wrong. The amount of suicides taking place is incredible I know of at least 4, well educated people with decent jobs and children.

I don't like Gemma and her oompa loompa Dee because they are hate filled battleaxes and discredit any genuine concerns folks may have. But their hatred knows no bounds.

Because I may agree with Gemma on certain things I must like her now? Why? Says who?

No I don't. However I do agree the state is a bunch of crooks and they couldn't care less about the public. Anyone who thinks Martin/Varadkar love us and are concerned, well I have a few magic beans for sale going there.

Thanks for your reply. You said you don't like Gemma and Dee because they are "hate filled battleaxes". No doubt whatsoever - They 100% are.

But you listed out your views above and they all seem to be 100% in line with Gemma & Dee's beliefs.

So - Would you say you have the same beliefs as Gemma and Dee, but you just don't like them personally (a perfectly reasonably thing BTW). Or, are there some of their political views/beliefs that you don't agree with.

I have to stress, I am just genuinely interested to understand what different different sides/groups exist and where the likes of Gemma & Dee fit into those and you seem to have a better understanding of that than I do.

Howard Beale · 02-12-2020 07:27PM

BnB wrote: »

Thanks for your reply. You said you don't like Gemma and Dee because they are "hate filled battleaxes". No doubt whatsoever - They 100% are.

But you listed out your views above and they all seem to be 100% in line with Gemma & Dee's beliefs.

So - Would you say you have the same beliefs as Gemma and Dee, but you just don't like them personally (a perfectly reasonably thing BTW). Or, are there some of their political views/beliefs that you don't agree with.

I have to stress, I am just genuinely interested to understand what different different sides/groups exist and where the likes of Gemma & Dee fit into those and you seem to have a better understanding of that than I do.

Your question is illogical. One minute you ask why my beliefs are 100% in line with theirs (lie 1 disagree with them on countless things and how would you know what my beliefs are anyway say for a handful of boards.ie posts)

Everyone has different beliefs. I personally am not a supporter of mandatory vaccines and rolling lockdowns ad finitum.

I can assure you my beliefs are my own. If someone else happens to have a similar one so what? Yo might agree on a few things and disagree on hundreds others. You envision a bizzare World where everyone agrees on everything if they agree on one.

Most on this forum don't realise loads of people who are against lockdowns and enforced vaccines have no time for Gemma at all. Zero. She has the same motley crew she always had but many many people questioning this stuff don't listen to her at all. Be like me saying anyone who agrees to the lockdown loves Michael Martin and hangs on his every single word with gooey eyes. It's absurd and silly.

I have met all walks of life who question the narrative at the moment who wouldn't listen to her for a second. I know Muslim folk who are against lockdown you think they are big Gemma supporters? :rolleyes:

Your assumption makes no sense as it assumes everyone who agrees on one thing must agree on everything. Like murderer Danny Nielsen loved Coca coca ergo by your logic anyone who likes Coca Cola must have views in line with his.

Believe whatever the hell you want but I can assure you Gemma and her ilk have a surprisingly small audience of 'truthers' for want of a better term.They see her for the pied piper and narcissist she is and stay away.

Annasopra · 02-12-2020 08:18PM

Howard Beale wrote: »

Your question is illogical. One minute you ask why my beliefs are 100% in line with theirs (lie 1 disagree with them on countless things and how would you know what my beliefs are anyway say for a handful of boards.ie posts)

Everyone has different beliefs. I personally am not a supporter of mandatory vaccines and rolling lockdowns ad finitum.

I can assure you my beliefs are my own. If someone else happens to have a similar one so what? Yo might agree on a few things and disagree on hundreds others. You envision a bizzare World where everyone agrees on everything if they agree on one.

Most on this forum don't realise loads of people who are against lockdowns and enforced vaccines have no time for Gemma at all. Zero. She has the same motley crew she always had but many many people questioning this stuff don't listen to her at all. Be like me saying anyone who agrees to the lockdown loves Michael Martin and hangs on his every single word with gooey eyes. It's absurd and silly.

I have met all walks of life who question the narrative at the moment who wouldn't listen to her for a second. I know Muslim folk who are against lockdown you think they are big Gemma supporters? :rolleyes:

Your assumption makes no sense as it assumes everyone who agrees on one thing must agree on everything. Like murderer Danny Nielsen loved Coca coca ergo by your logic anyone who likes Coca Cola must have views in line with his.

Believe whatever the hell you want but I can assure you Gemma and her ilk have a surprisingly small audience of 'truthers' for want of a better term.They see her for the pied piper and narcissist she is and stay away.

Yeah but like it is true though what BnB said; its inconsistent calling Dee and Gemma hate filled battleaxes when you went on some fairly hate filled ranting above

dasdog · 02-12-2020 09:40PM

Gemma taking a pot shot at Hermann Kelly and the IFP. Perhaps Howard is an IFP associate or member?

https://twitter.com/aciquestion/status/1334246426138849280?s=20
She also references Nuremberg in another clip.

Eric Cartman · 02-12-2020 09:45PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Of course she's called Karen.

her partner is almost certainly called gordon

...or Tesco value gin...

Annasopra · 02-12-2020 09:53PM

Wonder it will be long till Gemma starts asking about Dolores castle.

BnB · 02-12-2020 10:28PM

Howard Beale wrote: »

Your question is illogical. One minute you ask why my beliefs are 100% in line with theirs (lie 1 disagree with them on countless things and how would you know what my beliefs are anyway say for a handful of boards.ie posts)

Everyone has different beliefs. I personally am not a supporter of mandatory vaccines and rolling lockdowns ad finitum.

I can assure you my beliefs are my own. If someone else happens to have a similar one so what? Yo might agree on a few things and disagree on hundreds others. You envision a bizzare World where everyone agrees on everything if they agree on one.

Most on this forum don't realise loads of people who are against lockdowns and enforced vaccines have no time for Gemma at all. Zero. She has the same motley crew she always had but many many people questioning this stuff don't listen to her at all. Be like me saying anyone who agrees to the lockdown loves Michael Martin and hangs on his every single word with gooey eyes. It's absurd and silly.

I have met all walks of life who question the narrative at the moment who wouldn't listen to her for a second. I know Muslim folk who are against lockdown you think they are big Gemma supporters? :rolleyes:

Your assumption makes no sense as it assumes everyone who agrees on one thing must agree on everything. Like murderer Danny Nielsen loved Coca coca ergo by your logic anyone who likes Coca Cola must have views in line with his.

Believe whatever the hell you want but I can assure you Gemma and her ilk have a surprisingly small audience of 'truthers' for want of a better term.They see her for the pied piper and narcissist she is and stay away.

You're getting very defensive and I'm not really sure why. I am genuinely just trying to understand the various groups in this thing.

I in no way said that all your views are 100% in line with Gemma and Dee's. I said that based on your posts here they are, but, as you said yourself, you only have a handful of posts here and I wouldn't pretend/claim to know all your political views based on those alone.

But the posts you have here are all in line with Gemma and Dee's views. So all I am genuinely asking is, where do you differ? Is it just that the two of them are raving lunatics or are there specific views of theirs that you differ on?

Again, I am just trying to understand the opposing sides here. I don't have any agenda.

Piehead · 03-12-2020 12:11AM

Sparko wrote: »

Dee seems to be inspiring others to start hosting their own live streams. Not a single brain cell between them.

https://twitter.com/KarenOC54152957/status/1331592730816909312?s=19

Wtf was that ? Seems to be a drunk simpleton or a lunatic asylum escapee?

Nokia6230i · 03-12-2020 02:22AM

Piehead wrote: »

Wtf was that ? Seems to be a drunk simpleton or a lunatic asylum escapee?

Nothing much loaded for me; just few seconds of her carpet/some furniture in the front room.

What's that exposing? Dust? That the carpet needs a vaccum?

Mind = Blown!

AngryHippie · 03-12-2020 03:55AM

BnB wrote: »

Which camp are you in ?

I think there is a significant modern tendency* for people genuinely trying to understand our increasingly fractured and frankly bizarre society by putting people on sides, or in camps thereby polarizing them in an attempt to reduce the complexity of the environment.

Its really difficult to engage with people who will take one opinion on one matter and pigeonhole you in with a gang of nutters as a result.

*(Probably well intentioned, attempting to view things inclusively and essential to finding common ground for discourse and debate)

I disagree with Lockdowns and Masks from a mental health perspective because it really does impact people in a negative way. On the other hand for the greater good of society, it is practically the only measure a government can take in such a close-knit interactive society as Ireland.
When the health care system is under the kind of pressure a covid outbreak can exert, the state has a responsibility to the nation to protect not just the general public, but the healthcare workers and other state employees that are owed a duty of care.
Of course it is a complex situation balancing the health of workers and vulnerable citizens against the civil liberties and mental wellbeing of those whom the virus will probably have minimal impact.

For a point on effectiveness, Melbourne, Greater Victoria and the rest of Australia is a good example of the effectiveness of such measures.
They had community spreads in the hundreds of cases per day and they came down on it with everything they had.
Queensland by comparison has only reached double digits two or three times since the pandemic began. The response in Queensland by closing the borders to interstate travel was widely criticized at the time by the other states (particularly NSW) but it worked as a fundamental low-cost measure that allowed the state to get on with business as usual (with some social distancing conventions in place)
One of the main differences with the Australian situation was the level of communication from government. The State premiers fronted up to the media on a daily basis (While enquiries into failures was ongoing) providing the best information, answering all sorts of inane questions (From the Murdoch press particularly) and built a level of trust with the populace that helped them hold their nerve, they provided additional support and resources for the inevitable upsurge in DV and MH cases to help people through.

I don't know the exact ins and outs of how it has been handled in Ireland, but it seems their answer was to whack together another Quango to do the leg work while the elected officials sat around doing a whole lot of bugger all. They could learn a lot from over here.

Meantime many of the same people that were bleating about masks and lockdowns will turn around and stick on their anti-vaccination hats in very short order when that is proposed as the alternative to lockdowns and masks. Its great when you can have your cake and eat it but their attitude is tiresome. They bring no solutions only division and resentment.

In short, they are trolls. They survive on negativity and opposition. It doesn't matter what the decision is, they exist to critique and blame. It is purely a manifestation of their own psyche. They are running away from something in their lives, they are looking for someone to blame for how their lives have gone and after long enough pointing fingers, that is all they know how to do.

Under self examination, if they look close enough, every finger they point leaves 3 fingers pointing back at themselves. The only way to kill a troll is starvation. Starve them of attention, Starve them of oxygen, Starve them of reaction. Then they are just random isolated crackpots shouting at the clouds.
Some day they will cross a line with the wrong person and end up in the clink or in a program to give them the help they need.

Don't post up links of these trolls because every link will get at least one click and every click rewards them and feeds them.

PhoneMain · 03-12-2020 07:46AM

AngryHippie wrote: »

I think there is a significant modern tendency* for people genuinely trying to understand our increasingly fractured and frankly bizarre society by putting people on sides, or in camps thereby polarizing them in an attempt to reduce the complexity of the environment.

Its really difficult to engage with people who will take one opinion on one matter and pigeonhole you in with a gang of nutters as a result.

*(Probably well intentioned, attempting to view things inclusively and essential to finding common ground for discourse and debate)

I disagree with Lockdowns and Masks from a mental health perspective because it really does impact people in a negative way. On the other hand for the greater good of society, it is practically the only measure a government can take in such a close-knit interactive society as Ireland.
When the health care system is under the kind of pressure a covid outbreak can exert, the state has a responsibility to the nation to protect not just the general public, but the healthcare workers and other state employees that are owed a duty of care.
Of course it is a complex situation balancing the health of workers and vulnerable citizens against the civil liberties and mental wellbeing of those whom the virus will probably have minimal impact.

For a point on effectiveness, Melbourne, Greater Victoria and the rest of Australia is a good example of the effectiveness of such measures.
They had community spreads in the hundreds of cases per day and they came down on it with everything they had.
Queensland by comparison has only reached double digits two or three times since the pandemic began. The response in Queensland by closing the borders to interstate travel was widely criticized at the time by the other states (particularly NSW) but it worked as a fundamental low-cost measure that allowed the state to get on with business as usual (with some social distancing conventions in place)
One of the main differences with the Australian situation was the level of communication from government. The State premiers fronted up to the media on a daily basis (While enquiries into failures was ongoing) providing the best information, answering all sorts of inane questions (From the Murdoch press particularly) and built a level of trust with the populace that helped them hold their nerve, they provided additional support and resources for the inevitable upsurge in DV and MH cases to help people through.

I don't know the exact ins and outs of how it has been handled in Ireland, but it seems their answer was to whack together another Quango to do the leg work while the elected officials sat around doing a whole lot of bugger all. They could learn a lot from over here.

Meantime many of the same people that were bleating about masks and lockdowns will turn around and stick on their anti-vaccination hats in very short order when that is proposed as the alternative to lockdowns and masks. Its great when you can have your cake and eat it but their attitude is tiresome. They bring no solutions only division and resentment.

In short, they are trolls. They survive on negativity and opposition. It doesn't matter what the decision is, they exist to critique and blame. It is purely a manifestation of their own psyche. They are running away from something in their lives, they are looking for someone to blame for how their lives have gone and after long enough pointing fingers, that is all they know how to do.

Under self examination, if they look close enough, every finger they point leaves 3 fingers pointing back at themselves. The only way to kill a troll is starvation. Starve them of attention, Starve them of oxygen, Starve them of reaction. Then they are just random isolated crackpots shouting at the clouds.
Some day they will cross a line with the wrong person and end up in the clink or in a program to give them the help they need.

Don't post up links of these trolls because every link will get at least one click and every click rewards them and feeds them.

NPHET isnt a quango that was set up during the pandemic, its always been there. You just didnt know about it because......there was no public health emergency.

Also, where do masks have an impact on mental health?!?!

You say the situation was handled well in Australia where they have regular info out to citizens yet NPHET was regularly criticised during the summer for putting out too much info!

Also, NPHET members are regularly in the media along with the likes of Paul Reid clearly discussing current situations and the path we have been on.

PhoneMain · 03-12-2020 07:50AM

Howard Beale wrote: »

enforced vaccines etc

No I don't. However I do agree the state is a bunch of crooks and they couldn't care less about the public. Anyone who thinks Martin/Varadkar love us and are concerned, well I have a few magic beans for sale going there.

You've mentioned 3 or 4 times now about enforced vaccines. What the hell are you on about? Theres no mandatory vaccination programme in Ireland at the moment and I can guarantee you the Covid Vaccine wont be forced on people. You seem to be implying a sinister agenda around vaccinations which are 1 of the greatest medical advancements we have ever achieved

FYI, I think everyone should get the vaccine but I think they should choose to get it. I will be getting it (like my flu jab every year) and will be encouraging patients and relatives/friends to get it

sydthebeat · 03-12-2020 08:29AM

Howard Beale wrote: »

I don't like what's going on incessant lockdowns, enforced vaccines etc etc to me it's incredibly draconian and wrong. .

When your initial starting point (enforced / mandatory vaccines) is a fallacy..... Then everything after that has to wrong as well.

Take a step back and consider this.

PhoneMain · 03-12-2020 08:56AM

A point Gemma throws out a lot is Globalism and uses it to attack the likes of Aldi and Lidl. I think before she was linking it to Covid and a one world order. It struck me the last day that if there is a glabalist agenda then the media aren't sticking to it given how frequently you hear them advising to shop and buy local, which is great to see! Youd think this would be right up her street but maybe it doesnt suit her own agenda!

Ashbourne hoop · 03-12-2020 09:12AM

Howard Beale wrote: »

Your question is illogical. One minute you ask why my beliefs are 100% in line with theirs (lie 1 disagree with them on countless things and how would you know what my beliefs are anyway say for a handful of boards.ie posts)

Everyone has different beliefs. I personally am not a supporter of mandatory vaccines and rolling lockdowns ad finitum.

I can assure you my beliefs are my own. If someone else happens to have a similar one so what? Yo might agree on a few things and disagree on hundreds others. You envision a bizzare World where everyone agrees on everything if they agree on one.

Most on this forum don't realise loads of people who are against lockdowns and enforced vaccines have no time for Gemma at all. Zero. She has the same motley crew she always had but many many people questioning this stuff don't listen to her at all. Be like me saying anyone who agrees to the lockdown loves Michael Martin and hangs on his every single word with gooey eyes. It's absurd and silly.

I have met all walks of life who question the narrative at the moment who wouldn't listen to her for a second. I know Muslim folk who are against lockdown you think they are big Gemma supporters? :rolleyes:

Your assumption makes no sense as it assumes everyone who agrees on one thing must agree on everything. Like murderer Danny Nielsen loved Coca coca ergo by your logic anyone who likes Coca Cola must have views in line with his.

Believe whatever the hell you want but I can assure you Gemma and her ilk have a surprisingly small audience of 'truthers' for want of a better term.They see her for the pied piper and narcissist she is and stay away.

You've mentioned that a few times now. Where is that happening ?

Penfailed · 03-12-2020 11:29AM

PhoneMain wrote: »

NPHET isnt a quango that was set up during the pandemic, its always been there. You just didnt know about it because......there was no public health emergency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

How many people is Gemma reaching these days with her Twitter out of action? Is it only people that access her website to view her videos? I'd assume her 'reach' is now greatly reduced.

francois · 03-12-2020 12:31PM

francois wrote: »

where?

Still waiting....

Howard Beale · 03-12-2020 02:29PM

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

You've mentioned that a few times now. Where is that happening ?

Give it a few months baby. Patience is a virtue!:rolleyes:

Howard Beale · 03-12-2020 02:31PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yeah but like it is true though what BnB said; its inconsistent calling Dee and Gemma hate filled battleaxes when you went on some fairly hate filled ranting above

Someone is a very very very delicate flower. Hate filled for pointing something out? LOL (you be crushed in the outside World lad if that's 'hate' filled to you)

Just pointing out how illogical and absurd their point is.

Im far far far too busy with work and and side business (12 hour days) to be arsed 'hating' anyone

Perhaps try a bit of self reflection as IMO it's hate filled to call others hate filled but I doubt you have even a shred of self awareness and can't see it sadly. shame.

pot kettle and black spring to mind.

Ashbourne hoop · 03-12-2020 03:01PM

Howard Beale wrote: »

Give it a few months baby. Patience is a virtue!:rolleyes:

So it's not happening then ??? That's fine.....

Howard Beale · 03-12-2020 03:05PM

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

So it's not happening then ??? That's fine.....

I hope you are right. I really do. But me thinks the big boys wants the plebs like us to take this crap and have no say in it.

Softly softly catchy monkey. No flights and no pubs etc so it's a one way way street so far!

dasdog · 03-12-2020 03:59PM

Penfailed wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

How many people is Gemma reaching these days with her Twitter out of action? Is it only people that access her website to view her videos? I'd assume her 'reach' is now greatly reduced.

I think she is using Parler now where she can say whatever she wants. I doubt many people here are using it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler

Carfacemandog · 03-12-2020 04:05PM

I love how the likes of gab or parler show up the "free speech" lie for what it is by being even more restrictive than the likes of FB or Twitter in many instances.

03-12-2020 04:17PM

dasdog wrote: »

I think she is using Parler now where she can say whatever she wants. I doubt many people here are using it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler

One of the Yankees on here described it as Facebook for Rednecks. Seems like an apt description.

ohnonotgmail · 03-12-2020 05:32PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

One of the Yankees on here described it as Facebook for Rednecks. Seems like an apt description.

Parler is shouting into the void. The Milos fella was complaining about the poor reach on parler and hence the poor monetary return.

PhoneMain · 03-12-2020 07:35PM

Howard Beale wrote: »

I hope you are right. I really do. But me thinks the big boys wants the plebs like us to take this crap and have no say in it.

Softly softly catchy monkey. No flights and no pubs etc so it's a one way way street so far!

Big boys?!! What the hell are you on about?!

This crap? Are you talking about vaccinations that have stopped hundreds of millions of people from getting diseases that would have made them very sick and could/would have killed them?

Annasopra · 03-12-2020 07:41PM

PhoneMain wrote: »

Big boys?!! What the hell are you on about?!

This crap? Are you talking about vaccinations that have stopped hundreds of millions of people from getting diseases that would have made them very sick and could/would have killed them?

Big Pharma :pac::pac::pac:

03-12-2020 09:17PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Parler is shouting into the void. The Milos fella was complaining about the poor reach on parler and hence the poor monetary return.

Me heart is breaking for em, thought that the truth was more important than money?

Annasopra · 03-12-2020 09:19PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Me heart is breaking for em, thought that the truth was more important than money?

Nah - The Paytriots really couldnt care less about real issues

Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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