Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

lcstress2012 · 03-12-2020 12:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its the exact same as it was in the summer.

2m distance at tables no time limit, 1m = 105 minutes. Up to each place what they implement

Who says this though? Is this in writing anywhere on gov website ?

SB71 · 03-12-2020 12:35PM

fin12 wrote: »

No it doesn’t lol, but the hotel I’m going to this Sunday for €75 each u get to stay over, cocktail on arrival , 3 course dinner , break fast the next day and checkout 1pm and hotel is not a dump, it’s a 4 star.

im staying saturday night myself in town, a well known hotel, last time we stayed there they didnt ask us to order food either which was great,have a good one

SB71 · 03-12-2020 12:39PM

if pubs try and enforce this ridicalous time limit they'll find that business wont be anywhere near as brisk as they hope as word gets out about the time limit the majority of people dont want to stay for 105 minutes unless it's lunchtime and your stopping for a quick bite to eat and a pint, i genuinely cant see many pubs telling people to leave because their time is up,i certainly wont be frequenting anywhere like this and ill be asking when i make a booking.

Padre_Pio · 03-12-2020 12:57PM

SB71 wrote: »

if pubs try and enforce this ridicalous time limit they'll find that business wont be anywhere near as brisk as they hope as word gets out about the time limit the majority of people dont want to stay for 105 minutes unless it's lunchtime and your stopping for a quick bite to eat and a pint, i genuinely cant see many pubs telling people to leave because their time is up,i certainly wont be frequenting anywhere like this and ill be asking when i make a booking.

You have the same number of people looking for space in half the number of restaurants/pubs that have half the number of seats.

Demand is through the roof, time limit or no time limit, and that's before you add in the Christmas rush.

stephenjmcd · 03-12-2020 01:06PM

SB71 wrote: »

the vast majority of places wont have a time limit id imagine.

The vast majority will, more tables is more business. Dont expect to get more than 1hr 45 mins in most places.

The exact same as it was in the summer

stephenjmcd · 03-12-2020 01:07PM

lcstress2012 wrote: »

Who says this though? Is this in writing anywhere on gov website ?

Failte Ireland guidelines

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 01:10PM

MOH wrote: »

Apply the same "evidence" to schools and they're far, far worse

That’s surely true but... schools allow parents to go to work which is pretty essential. The actual education could happen online. If there was no other benefit then I’d supply closing schools throughout the crisis and teaching online too. It wouldn’t be a brilliant solution but it would be preferable.

But the fact that schools allow parents to go to work makes it a complete different matter.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 01:22PM

Tazz T wrote: »

Everything booked out for this weekend already. Gov have messed up big time on this. People crowding into the few places left open over Xmas and resentment growing. Meanwhile vaccinations starting in NI next week.

Political and economic suicide.

This is over by April. We may not even see a third wave, if we do it will be cut short.

When is the next election?

What’s wrong with the places being fully booked? As long as they’re adhering to distancing rules then isn’t it good that they’re booked out and getting as much business as they can?

There was always going to be a bounce when restrictions were lifted. I don’t think it’s a big problem particularly as long as it’s well managed by businesses.

03-12-2020 01:24PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

You have the same number of people looking for space in half the number of restaurants/pubs that have half the number of seats.

Demand is through the roof, time limit or no time limit, and that's before you add in the Christmas rush.

This is exactly why I will be avoiding weekends in December. As much as I loathe the notion of being of having to order grub, surrounded by fickle annuals guffawing about this success and that. Always meet up with old friends near Christmas, unbroken ritual for years going for the cupla scoops. And we're all regulars in our respective locals around the country in case a pedant corrects me. Hoping the VFI will take legal action against the Government on behalf of traditional publicans, at this juncture they essentially have nothing to lose and everything to gain. High-ranking politicians need to be constantly reminded that they're not untouchable, if they don't acknowledge struggling business owners then they'll receive a hard landing in the next election.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 01:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is exactly why I will be avoiding weekends in December. As much as I loathe the notion of being of having to order grub, surrounded by fickle annuals guffawing about this success and that.

What does this mean?

On the government and elections; I imagine most governments will be voted out (or have reduced vote totals) after this pandemic. Regardless of how the dealt with it with harsh lockdowns or not, there’s probably a global recession coming so people will be voting in an recession and the usual vote for changes in that circumstance.

speckle · 03-12-2020 01:40PM

saabsaab wrote: »

From UK but the relevant part is

'data suggesting that 41% of under-30s with coronavirus, caught it in a pub or bar,'

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/headlines/2020/oct/are-pubs-and-bars-blame-covid-spread

The flaws in that type report were already mentioned on the main thread ages ago aswell as other experts that disagreed
Summation/Paraphrasing it is behaviour and ventillation and the fact that contact tracing was not detailed enough as they may have actually caught it elsewhere like at home. That is not saying it does not never happen but if a hugh amount of hcw's catch its like saying they where all on the pub last week.

And one expert even points to that in the very link you posted.

Tazz T · 03-12-2020 01:58PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What’s wrong with the places being fully booked? As long as they’re adhering to distancing rules then isn’t it good that they’re booked out and getting as much business as they can?

There was always going to be a bounce when restrictions were lifted. I don’t think it’s a big problem particularly as long as it’s well managed by businesses.

People will resent the fact they can't get in anywhere and there will be crowding outside. I remember being at a bus stop outside a well known pub in Dublin with the large queue outside intermingling with the queue at the bus stop. I fully support businesses getting all they can, but with the social distancing many may only be breaking even. I don't get the rationale behind the new rule on having a kitchen and a chef, reducing the number of available gastropubs and putting added financial pressure on more businesses that can't open.

03-12-2020 02:01PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What does this mean?

Under normal circumstances, a unique breed of a-hole emerges this time of year: the ivy and holly drinker. Loud, ignorant and unable to handle their porter. Sully the environment for everyone in the vicinity, usually end up puking their ring and being cast out the door. There is a special place in hell for these wannabes. Whether that answers your question, I don't care either way.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 02:14PM

Tazz T wrote: »

People will resent the fact they can't get in anywhere and there will be crowding outside. I remember being at a bus stop outside a well known pub in Dublin with the large queue outside intermingling with the queue at the bus stop. I fully support businesses getting all they can, but with the social distancing many may only be breaking even. I don't get the rationale behind the new rule on having a kitchen and a chef, reducing the number of available gastropubs and putting added financial pressure on more businesses that can't open.

That’s a matter of people not being responsible. And that’s why restrictions happen. Let’s hope people take distancing seriously for the most part.

To be fair, demand always outstrips capacity at this time of year. At least the overall numbers will be lower this time around and businesses will be at capacity to make the most of it.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 02:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Under normal circumstances, a unique breed of a-hole emerges this time of year: the ivy and holly drinker. Loud, ignorant and unable to handle their porter. Sully the environment for everyone in the vicinity, usually end up puking their ring and being cast out the door. There is a special place in hell for these wannabes. Whether that answers your question, I don't care either way.

Ok. This seems personal to you. I just see people out, cutting loose at the Christmas party and doing things they wouldn’t do every weekend. I’ve never been thrown out of a pub for fighting or puking myself, but I’m sure it happens.

hynesie08 · 03-12-2020 02:25PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. This seems personal to you. I just see people out, cutting loose at the Christmas party and doing things they would do every weekend. I’ve never been thrown out of a pub for fighting or puking myself, but I’m sure it happens.

You've clearly never been in a pub in December then. Between the 12 pubs ****, Mark from accounts who hasn't had a night out in 8 months because his missus had a baby, who thinks he can still drink like he's 22 or the absolute pricks who see an open bar as a challenge. It is a living nightmare........

Thankfully I've acquired a few local pubs in the last few years that won't take any of that bollix.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 02:46PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You've clearly never been in a pub in December then. Between the 12 pubs ****, Mark from accounts who hasn't had a night out in 8 months because his missus had a baby, who thinks he can still drink like he's 22 or the absolute pricks who see an open bar as a challenge. It is a living nightmare........

Thankfully I've acquired a few local pubs in the last few years that won't take any of that bollix.

Ah, sure that’s exactly what I mean. I just see it as other people having a blow out. As long as they don’t try to make me do anything I don’t want to do, the good luck to them. I don’t think i own the pubs I go to not do I think I can police other people’s craic.

I’d avoid city centre pubs at Christmas (apart from the work Christmas party) and new year. Quieter places that usually attract older crowds have less of it. It’s not worth getting on a high horse about. It’s just other people having their brand of craic. If I don’t enjoy their craic, then I could get cross about it or just focus on my own craic with my group.

I can’t help being amused that I’m now defending the pubs from people who want to open the pubs.

weldoninhio · 03-12-2020 02:51PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. This seems personal to you. I just see people out, cutting loose at the Christmas party and doing things they would do every weekend. I’ve never been thrown out of a pub for fighting or puking myself, but I’m sure it happens.

He's talking about the exact opposite of who you described. :rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 02:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

He's talking about the exact opposite of who you described. :rolleyes:

Apologies. I meant wouldn’t do every weekend.

I’ll edit it in the post.

Tenzor07 · 03-12-2020 03:28PM

Seems to be a lot of Vitriol directed at Pub goers/drinkers.... have the constant messages from Holohan gotten through to people and is now imprinted on their brains?
Are we seeing the complete collapse of the Traditional Irish Pub, the one the country is known worldwide for and tourists come here to see...

By this time next year will the Pub scene be completely dominated by the Sanitized version of the Irish Pub, the Wetherspoons, themed bars more like cafe/restaurants that serve alcohol, where everyone comes and goes quickly after their food is consumed.

The rural pub replaced by a small Cafe...

Gervais08 · 03-12-2020 03:37PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of Vitriol directed at Pub goers/drinkers.... have the constant messages from Holohan gotten through to people and is now imprinted on their brains?
Are we seeing the complete collapse of the Traditional Irish Pub, the one the country is known worldwide for and tourists come here to see...

By this time next year will the Pub scene be completely dominated by the Sanitized version of the Irish Pub, the Wetherspoons, themed bars more like cafe/restaurants that serve alcohol, where everyone comes and goes quickly after their food is consumed.

The rural pub replaced by a small Cafe...

That’ll go down well in my wee part of the Midlands!!!

Replace the local that’s opening tomorrow with a theme chain and sure it’ll make Tom Barry’s antics look like an episode of Teletubbies!!!

El_Duderino 09 · 03-12-2020 03:42PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of Vitriol directed at Pub goers/drinkers.... have the constant messages from Holohan gotten through to people and is now imprinted on their brains?
Are we seeing the complete collapse of the Traditional Irish Pub, the one the country is known worldwide for and tourists come here to see...

By this time next year will the Pub scene be completely dominated by the Sanitized version of the Irish Pub, the Wetherspoons, themed bars more like cafe/restaurants that serve alcohol, where everyone comes and goes quickly after their food is consumed.

The rural pub replaced by a small Cafe...

Nah, that’s just angry posters posting angry posts. I wouldn’t worry about it. Ironical, the last few people who were having a pop at pub goers are also big advocates for opening the pubs.

It’s just the normal too and fro that happens in any area of life. Someone like going to the pub so they dislike other people going to the pub and enjoying themselves differently than them - having craic incorrectly. It was ever thus and it’ll be grand.

Whether a rural pub is replaced by a cafe will depend on whether there’s a market for it or not. I can’t see it happening in my local in the village I come from.

dominatinMC · 03-12-2020 03:45PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of Vitriol directed at Pub goers/drinkers.... have the constant messages from Holohan gotten through to people and is now imprinted on their brains?
Are we seeing the complete collapse of the Traditional Irish Pub, the one the country is known worldwide for and tourists come here to see...

By this time next year will the Pub scene be completely dominated by the Sanitized version of the Irish Pub, the Wetherspoons, themed bars more like cafe/restaurants that serve alcohol, where everyone comes and goes quickly after their food is consumed.

The rural pub replaced by a small Cafe...

In short - no. If anything, the vitriol of people is being directed towards Holohan et al. Even the latte-sipping hipsters seem to have a lot of sympathy for pubs. Maybe it's something to do with the time of the year and Christmas, but the public opinion seems to be swaying from what I've seen and heard. The VFI finally seem to be pulling the finger out too, so I hope there is a sustained campaign of pressure on the government to force their hand.

speckle · 03-12-2020 03:46PM

By the way lads and lassies... I rarely drink alcohol... but I also dislike any too buzy pubs all year round especially large sanitized chain gastro pubs but I love my local and will fight tooth and nail for it as it contributes immensly way more to my community then its sq footage
ps I dont mean hand sanitiser etc.

SB71 · 03-12-2020 03:55PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The vast majority will, more tables is more business. Dont expect to get more than 1hr 45 mins in most places.

The exact same as it was in the summer

it wasnt the same in the summer at all for me anyway, any pub i went to there was no time limit

Scoundrel · 03-12-2020 04:08PM

Any pub in a city centre will be enforcing time limit to increase turnover cant blame them really anywhere outside that won't be if you go into a quiet spot on a Sunday afternoon they are not gonna hop you after 1.45h.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-12-2020 04:14PM

SB71 wrote: »

it wasnt the same in the summer at all for me anyway, any pub i went to there was no time limit

There was. The pubs weren't enforcing them and the punters were happy to fly against the rules.

stephenjmcd · 03-12-2020 04:19PM

SB71 wrote: »

it wasnt the same in the summer at all for me anyway, any pub i went to there was no time limit

Grand well whatever pub you were in either had 2m between tables or wasn't keeping to the rules one or the other.

The same things are in place now that were in place in July.

Except now its Christmas and of course there's more demand for hospitality so expect the vast majority of establishments to say heres the bill after 105 minutes

SB71 · 03-12-2020 04:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Grand well whatever pub you were in either had 2m between tables or wasn't keeping to the rules one or the other.

The same things are in place now that were in place in July.

Except now its Christmas and of course there's more demand for hospitality so expect the vast majority of establishments to say heres the bill after 105 minutes

wont be the case where i go anyway, id sooner sit at home than go to the pub for 105 minutes anyway, a waste of time.

SB71 · 03-12-2020 04:28PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There was. The pubs weren't enforcing them and the punters were happy to fly against the rules.

rules, rules, rules, have we become that pathetic and shallow as a nation that anyone who even dares to bend the "rules" is vilified , the pandemic really has brought out the absolute worst in people (im not rnecessarily referring to you BTW, im talking in general) anyone who doesnt abide by the letter of the law 100% gets viified by some people, a tragic state of affairs.

I, like many cannot take anything that NPHET or FFG say seriously,they are an unmitigated nightmare so if that makles me a "rule breaker" then so be it!!!

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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